Collison Detection in Camelot Unchained: Yes or No

There's quite a heated debate going on over at the CU subreddit over whether CD should be in the game.

I personally feel that it's all but required, if not mandatory to have in a game that involves defending positions and protecting your support classes and seige. I feel that choke points are an essential strategic part of the game and not having CD would make such a thing meaningless.

The arguments against CD are complaints about getting "trapped" or having a handful of warriors hold off a horde of players. Additional concern was being blocked from joining in on a fight becuase there were too many players. Another concern was about possible game performance issues CD might cause.

So, what do the nice folks of mmorpg.com think about collision detection in the Camelot Unchained Project?

MMORPG.com Poll on the subject.

Originally posted by Kuldebar

Collison Detection in Camelot Unchained: Yes or No

 

There's quite a heated debate going on over at the CU subreddit over whether CD should be in the game.

 

 

I personally feel that it's all but required, if not mandatory to have in a game that involves defending positions and protecting your support classes and seige. I feel that choke points are an essential strategic part of the game and not having CD would make such a thing meaningless.

The arguments against CD are complaints about getting "trapped" or having a handful of warriors hold off a horde of players. Additional concern was being blocked from joining in on a fight becuase there were too many players. Another concern was about possible game performance issues CD might cause.

So, what do the nice folks of mmorpg.com think about collision detection in the Camelot Unchained Project?

Its definitely needed, especially in a game which has its entire focus on PvP. Lack of collision detection removes exactly those things which you brought up in the examples you gave for the arguments against it. No collision detection means a smaller force cant make use of strategic choke points and good tactical teamwork to hold off a much larger force. A game like this should not be completely about who has more people, and should allow for people to take advantage of the ability to do things like form walls of bodies to prevent the enemy from pushing into an area unhindered and focusing their firepower on them at chokepoints.

I think I understand why CD get's such a bad rap with some people, I think it's largely due to what happened in Warhammer Online and the awful server performance issues and lag that occured during the Fortress battles. In those times players weren't even being rendered but you'd be unable to move becuase there was an invisible player's collision detection blocking you.

So, I don't view that as a CD problem, that was up and up a server performance issue.

In DAoC the run through issue caysed a lot arguments and drama. Casters would have melee LOS by walking through the caster, it was hard enough to be a successful caster in DAoC without that challenge.

Yeah, I'd be curious to hear Mark Jacobs' take on the whole thing, being that he was there for DAoC, WAR and now CU.

Yes

I'm not saying yes or no... but what i will say is that if it is in, it needs to be on both sides. Meaning... friendly collision detection as well as enemy collision detection. I've played games where it was only on enemies and that was horrible as you could run through your own friends but the enemy couldn't follow. Don't get me wrong, I see that as a strategic idea and all, but it really breaks the feel of the game to me.

Originally posted by SyrixII

I'm not saying yes or no... but what i will say is that if it is in, it needs to be on both sides. Meaning... friendly collision detection as well as enemy collision detection. I've played games where it was only on enemies and that was horrible as you could run through your own friends but the enemy couldn't follow. Don't get me wrong, I see that as a strategic idea and all, but it really breaks the feel of the game to me.

 

I agree, I think CD should apply to friendly and enemy. 

If I recall WAR had CD off when out of combat but I don't remember if CD applied to friends or not, that could be another reason people might not have liked it. Having enemies disappear into a crowd of their allies, etc.

Originally posted by tokesh
Need to see what engine they choose.  Shitty CD is no good.

Yup, goes without saying, but a shitty engine would ruin a lot more than just CD implementation.

CD seems to be much more accepted here than on reddit >_>

I already gave my rant there but I have to say yes again. Just adds another layer of depth and strategy that is absolutly necessary for tanks and their casters. 

Originally posted by tokesh
Need to see what engine they choose.  Shitty CD is no good.

I agree. I would prefer no CD if the engine couldn't support it

NO.

Didn't work for WAR

Didn't work for TERA

Won't work for CU

It's a terrible idea.

NO.

Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
No, if CD is in this game I won't be playing
I'm not playing a 200v200 battle where every time you move you hit a wall
Not to mention all the bugs and problems with this system being implemented with the low budget they have

This isn't the "solution" to tanks
Go play daoc people ugh

Seriously... if someone played both WAR and DAoC and thinks CD is a good idea he must be clinically insane.