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  Theocritus

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3/06/13 2:18:37 PM#41
Originally posted by Ortwig
I'm curious to know of the people who don't like the animations: when was the last time you played? Open beta? Just after launch? Since it went b2p? In the last month or so? You do realize animations have improved since beta right? Just asking.

 The way the monsters died just looked so stupid most of the time......It was like all of a sudden they jsut fell over.....No matter how I tried TSW just never felt right.....It felt like I was playing in a prescripted movie and I was just going through the motions...I even passed quests where I didn't even do a single thing (the NPCs killed everything).

  Ortwig

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3/06/13 2:26:54 PM#42
Originally posted by Theocritus
Originally posted by Ortwig
I'm curious to know of the people who don't like the animations: when was the last time you played? Open beta? Just after launch? Since it went b2p? In the last month or so? You do realize animations have improved since beta right? Just asking.

 The way the monsters died just looked so stupid most of the time......It was like all of a sudden they jsut fell over.....No matter how I tried TSW just never felt right.....It felt like I was playing in a prescripted movie and I was just going through the motions...I even passed quests where I didn't even do a single thing (the NPCs killed everything).

You didn't answer the question.  When was the last time you played it?

  Torvaldr

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3/06/13 3:31:45 PM#43

They're two totally different games: shooter vs rpg.  Defiance is a 'pew pew' game.  TSW is a thinking game.

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  Ortwig

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3/06/13 3:45:49 PM#44
To the OP -- see if you can get a buddy key to TSW -- that way, you can just try it out to see how it goes.  There's a thread in the TSW forums here.
  jocieB

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3/07/13 3:48:22 AM#45
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by drtack1

Thanks for the info on the clunkiness of TSW. I was a little worried about that from the videos ive seen. I guess I will be waiting on Defiance though. 

I think its clunkiness is mainly on the melee side - I find ranged dps looks fine, especially in PvP.  The AoE spamming there gets a bit much sometimes.

Loving Defiance too.  For entirely different reasons than I love TSW.  They really are very different game options.

As a side note, I don't really understand why AoC is classed as amazing by so many, combat-wise - but I haven't played for a year or so, so perhaps there have been changes.  I like the game itself though.


if your married and your wife does not game like my situation then you will understand what I am talking about lol. She gets majority of the TV time haha!

Give her an ipad. My wife is getting all her shows (mostly Asian dramas, but also NCIS and stuff) on it. We don't have to fight over the tv anymore.

I never discount how lucky I am to have a gaming BF.  Honestly, not being smug... just not taking it for granted.

  Hatefull

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3/07/13 4:20:58 AM#46
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Kalafax

I'm very surprised by how many people are comparing firefall to Defiance, the two do not play the same at all!

3rd or 1st person shooter doesn´t matter, both are mouse aiming FPS style shooters, no RPGs.

Planetside 2, Firefall, Defiance -> similiar gameplay

vaguely similiar at best.  I have played all three of those games - extensively - and can tell you shooter is all they have in common.

 

PS2 - No MMO feel at all.  Shot until you take an objective/rinse/repeat.  The same thing all the time.

FireFall - Boring half done game.  No quests, no real content updates.  Great ideas and COULD be fun but just meh right now.

Defiance - All the aspects of a MMOFPS with decent (at this point it seems to get better with each update) story and very smooth game play.

The last two are still in BETA, although Firfall seems to never want to leave that state.  And PS2 should still be in BETA.  I have a lot higher hopes for Defiance than I do Firefall. 

I would not compare Defiance to TSW.  I would hope that defiance adds some TSW style missions to the game but that is where all similiarities or desire for them end for me.

I will buy and play Defiance, it is entertaining and Trion seems to be dedicated to making a great game with built in longevitiy.  I would recommend Defiance over TSW at this point purely because of the PvP issues.  After EA fixes the PvP (lets hope) I would have to re-visit TSW and make a decision then.  

 

Good luck with your decision.

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  Siug

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3/07/13 4:24:21 AM#47
Originally posted by Eir_S
I personally found TSW even less entertaining than every game you've already quit, so I can't recommend it myself.  It just looks and feels very clunky to me, not much personality in the asthetics.  I'm actually kind of looking forward to Defiance though; Trion is a solid company (unlike Funcom) and it's got a show tie-in.  Whether that show will be any good, being a sci-fi show (I refuse to call it by its new name) is anyone's guess.  Still, with Trion at the helm, you can be sure it will have years of support and content either way.

Oh look, GW2 fanatic bashing TSW. Some things never change.

  Fluxii

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3/07/13 4:36:53 AM#48

Seriously, pretty much everyone bashing TSW are GW2 fanboi's.  Look up post history... and this is coming from someone who plays GW2... I just don't go gaga over it.

There's nothing wrong with TSW.

The funny thing is, people bitch about the combat (mostly the GW2 crowd), yet it's not all that different.  There is dodging there too, almost the exact same number of skills, movement, targeting, etc...  Yet... all they can say is it's clunky or wierd.

Stop trying to get other people to drink the Kool-aid just cuz you did.

Well, when GW2 comes up with 500 skills to interact and animate (Yes I know, there are passives and they don't actually have to do that many) we'll talk.

And also without breaking the NDA, TSW.  Or to show I'm not a hater... GW2 when it's on SALE.

  jocieB

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3/07/13 5:29:45 AM#49
Originally posted by Fluxii

And also without breaking the NDA, TSW.  Or to show I'm not a hater... GW2 when it's on SALE.

 

I am confused.  What does that sentence even mean and why is this the second time (this thread) TSW and an NDA have been mentioned?  It's not under NDA and hasn't been for almost a year. 

  cyrician

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3/07/13 6:47:28 AM#50

Problem is these are two totally different games tsw is very mmorpg . Defience is awesome but more fps . 

 

Give defience 6 months after release and we will see . Though I just threw down  for the 5 docs for defience . 

 

But then again I am playing 8 mmo,s at the same time and getting nowhere in any of them .

 

 

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  Agent_Joseph

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3/07/13 6:54:29 AM#51

TSW as rpg-mmo

Defiance as shooter mmo,after beta weekend , I am make preorder,it ll be main casual shooter mmo

 

 

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  FromHell

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3/07/13 7:03:31 AM#52
Someone needs to make an "EvE or WOW...." thread.

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  Wicoa

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3/07/13 7:07:01 AM#53

Probably defiance, regardless of how it ends up you will be a part of something historic. An mmorpg and a tv show side by side. That puts the K in Kool, K!

Though I haven't even played defiance but Im not on the hype train either, Im just pleased theres no sub cost and its an fps.

  DMKano

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3/07/13 7:17:58 AM#54

For me - both!

Already bought TSW at release(even though it was P2P at release I knew that it would go to no sub model soon it was obvious)

Also i already bought Defiance as I've been waiting for it since I played it at Pax.

Both are b2p games so that made it pretty easy to choose for me.

The games are vastly different, Defiance is a shooter MMO that doesn't take itself too seriously and I find it just a ton of fun.

Tsw  to me is an action combat MMO, fun but in a completely different way.

Two entirely different genres.

 

  FromHell

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3/07/13 7:25:24 AM#55

I heard from a tester this will basically be a kind of "Borderlands" in online form.

Shooter with XP earning and some customization, but certainly not a RPG 

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

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  berlight

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3/07/13 9:00:57 AM#56

Defiance is a disappointing game, while it has really good ideas it cant deliver, a blend world that seems empty and without any interesting thing to do, quests are generic( speak here and kill that protect this and that, i think you get the point)

I was playing it for some time , i really tried to make me like it, but i couldn't., the game isnt even out and is already uninstalled in my pc.

They have a really good team working on it and they listen to the community, but the release day  is almost there, and there is so much things still to fix thats is gonna be a rush until they release it, they update the client almost everyday with bug fixes and there are still alot of them.

The supposed "open world sandbox mmofps" is nothing more then a empty and blend world with really bad textures cuz of the consoles, the physhics collision engine is really bad, menus are made for consoles aswell (its skyrim all over again). This game is not pc optimized! Still needs alot of work. If you think its like a "borderlands" your wrong the only thing they have in common is the damage numbers on top of the mobs, and gear drops...

There are some dynamic events but it doenst seem enough, (kill big boss here and protect base there)

If you are looking for something like they announced, firefall is atleast for me superior in all aspects, maybe not in pve because in defiance there is a huge focus on pve, firefall is kinda the opposite. The pvp is atleast for now "one shot skill".

I hope it helps.

Peace.

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  GrayGhost79

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3/07/13 9:08:34 AM#57
Originally posted by drtack1

So, I havent been playing any mmos in the past 2 months. I was playing GW2 for a few months, got bored moved on to AoW. Aow kept me intertained for 2 months lol. I then tried Terra and it kept me intertained for about a week............

I am just in a rut I guess. Nothing really keeps my attention. I have been playing more Black Ops 2 then mmorpgs which is very rare! 

I have been looking at TSW for quite some time now, the big thing that has held me back from purchasing is I hear some negative things about PVP. I enjoy PVP in a game just as much as PVE. I really like the whole setting of TSW and it looks fun but for some reason I have just held back. 

I am also looking at Defiance. I really like Sci Fi games and I enjoy shooters. My faveorite game of all time was Tabula Rasa. So far everything I have seen looks pretty cool, but I am worried about longevity.

Soooo right now I am trying to decide between the two. I know I will have to wait a few more weeks for Defiance. I just dont want to purchase 2 games at the same time and not get my moneys worht out of 1 or the other.

I am in a mmorpg rut! I cannot decide if I want to go ahead and get TSW or if I want to wait and get Defiance. I cannot decide which I want to play!!!! Grrrr lol.

 

I'd say get both :P 

TSW is at least different and a decent game even if lacking in polish. 

 

Defiance is a lot like what people were hoping Firefall would be before it turned out to be a flop. Aside from that, like others have said, it's tying in with a TV show so that alone is pretty interesting. In any case Defiance > Firefall so if you were looking forward to Firefall or like Firefall chances are you're going to like Defiance a great deal better. 

  DMKano

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3/07/13 9:20:58 AM#58
Originally posted by berlight

Defiance is a disappointing game, while it has really good ideas it cant deliver, a blend world that seems empty and without any interesting thing to do, quests are generic( speak here and kill that protect this and that, i think you get the point)

I was playing it for some time , i really tried to make me like it, but i couldn't., the game isnt even out and is already uninstalled in my pc.

They have a really good team working on it and they listen to the community, but the release day  is almost there, and there is so much things still to fix thats is gonna be a rush until they release it, they update the client almost everyday with bug fixes and there are still alot of them.

The supposed "open world sandbox mmofps" is nothing more then a empty and blend world with really bad textures cuz of the consoles, menus are made for consoles aswell (its skyrim all over again). This game is not pc optimized! Still needs alot of work. If you think its like a "borderlands" your wrong the only thing they have in common is the damage numbers on top of the mobs, and gear drops...

There are some dynamic events but it doenst seem enough, (kill big boss here and protect base there)

If you are looking for something like they announced, firefall is atleast for me superior in all aspects, maybe not in pve because in defiance there is a huge focus on pve, firefall is kinda the opposite.

I hope it helps.

Peace.

Firefall is not a pixel perfect shooter, the engine code apparently can't support it. Defiance is a pixel perfect shooter.

That alone right there kills any serious PvP potential for Firefall, as its beyond frustrating when you miss because of stupid engine can't properly track shot trajectory.

Defiance engine was coded by ex-blizzard(wow engine) devs just FYI, which is why its so responsive and smooth. 

Firfalls engine is sadly not even close.

Lastly you can play defiance on Xbox, PS and PC.

Just my 2c, to me firefall is far inferior

 

  Fluxii

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3/07/13 10:19:48 AM#59
Originally posted by berlight

Defiance is a disappointing game, while it has really good ideas it cant deliver, a blend world that seems empty and without any interesting thing to do, quests are generic( speak here and kill that protect this and that, i think you get the point)

I was playing it for some time , i really tried to make me like it, but i couldn't., the game isnt even out and is already uninstalled in my pc.

They have a really good team working on it and they listen to the community, but the release day  is almost there, and there is so much things still to fix thats is gonna be a rush until they release it, they update the client almost everyday with bug fixes and there are still alot of them.

The supposed "open world sandbox mmofps" is nothing more then a empty and blend world with really bad textures cuz of the consoles, the physhics collision engine is really bad, menus are made for consoles aswell (its skyrim all over again). This game is not pc optimized! Still needs alot of work. If you think its like a "borderlands" your wrong the only thing they have in common is the damage numbers on top of the mobs, and gear drops...

There are some dynamic events but it doenst seem enough, (kill big boss here and protect base there)

If you are looking for something like they announced, firefall is atleast for me superior in all aspects, maybe not in pve because in defiance there is a huge focus on pve, firefall is kinda the opposite. The pvp is atleast for now "one shot skill".

I hope it helps.

Peace.

Well, I didn't break the NDA, but this ^^.

Except I think Firefall is crap too.  I've been in it since early closed Beta and they can't decide where they want to go with that damn game.  I take it back, I haven't tried it in the last couple months cuz I just couldn't take it any more; maybe now that it's in open it's improved.

I honestly wish Global Agenda hadn't gone by the wayside so fast.  It really was one of the first up and comers in the MMOFPS genre and I still think superior to any of them (though maybe not as "open world").

  berlight

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3/07/13 10:35:22 AM#60

eheheh i didnt said i like firefall, ofcourse it has flaws :p but if i had to choose one "open world sandbox mmofps" i have to say firefall ^^

I didnt break the nda! i didnt said anything else that they already said!

i was only thinking in all people of this wonderfull community that can keep a secret! :)

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