Originally posted by drtack1
when exactly does Defiance come out? I cant sem to fidn the release date. I know the show starts next month.

April i think.

Originally posted by drtack1
when exactly does Defiance come out? I cant sem to fidn the release date. I know the show starts next month.

04/02/13

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Eir_S
I personally found TSW even less entertaining than every game you've already quit, so I can't recommend it myself.  It just looks and feels very clunky to me, not much personality in the asthetics.  I'm actually kind of looking forward to Defiance though; Trion is a solid company (unlike Funcom) and it's got a show tie-in.  Whether that show will be any good, being a sci-fi show (I refuse to call it by its new name) is anyone's guess.  Still, with Trion at the helm, you can be sure it will have years of support and content either way.

^ 100% BS, 0% credibilty

 

btw TSW and Defiance are apples and oranges, you could ask if you should play Zelda or Dr.Mario.

Defiance, who knows, probably plays like Firefall or Planetside. Not my cup of tea.

Erm, which part of the original post are you referring to when you say "100% BS" ?

Because someone's expression of their opinion cannot possibly be BS, unless you happen to know what their REAL opinion is, and that it differs from what they wrote ? 

But, that aside, TSW and Defiance are vastly different games as far as I can tell at this stage. I'd almost want to say that if you really enjoyed one of them, you'd almost certainly not enjoy the other....

Originally posted by drtack1

So, I havent been playing any mmos in the past 2 months. I was playing GW2 for a few months, got bored moved on to AoW. Aow kept me intertained for 2 months lol. I then tried Terra and it kept me intertained for about a week............

I am just in a rut I guess. Nothing really keeps my attention. I have been playing more Black Ops 2 then mmorpgs which is very rare! 

I have been looking at TSW for quite some time now, the big thing that has held me back from purchasing is I hear some negative things about PVP. I enjoy PVP in a game just as much as PVE. I really like the whole setting of TSW and it looks fun but for some reason I have just held back. 

I am also looking at Defiance. I really like Sci Fi games and I enjoy shooters. My faveorite game of all time was Tabula Rasa. So far everything I have seen looks pretty cool, but I am worried about longevity.

Soooo right now I am trying to decide between the two. I know I will have to wait a few more weeks for Defiance. I just dont want to purchase 2 games at the same time and not get my moneys worht out of 1 or the other.

I am in a mmorpg rut! I cannot decide if I want to go ahead and get TSW or if I want to wait and get Defiance. I cannot decide which I want to play!!!! Grrrr lol.

 

If longevity is a concern I'd go with TSW.  Defiance is going to be far more of a casual affair.

TSW is also just plain better(and cheaper) on the grand scale.  Defiance is fun but ultimately shallow.

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by drtack1

So, I havent been playing any mmos in the past 2 months. I was playing GW2 for a few months, got bored moved on to AoW. Aow kept me intertained for 2 months lol. I then tried Terra and it kept me intertained for about a week............

I am just in a rut I guess. Nothing really keeps my attention. I have been playing more Black Ops 2 then mmorpgs which is very rare! 

I have been looking at TSW for quite some time now, the big thing that has held me back from purchasing is I hear some negative things about PVP. I enjoy PVP in a game just as much as PVE. I really like the whole setting of TSW and it looks fun but for some reason I have just held back. 

I am also looking at Defiance. I really like Sci Fi games and I enjoy shooters. My faveorite game of all time was Tabula Rasa. So far everything I have seen looks pretty cool, but I am worried about longevity.

Soooo right now I am trying to decide between the two. I know I will have to wait a few more weeks for Defiance. I just dont want to purchase 2 games at the same time and not get my moneys worht out of 1 or the other.

I am in a mmorpg rut! I cannot decide if I want to go ahead and get TSW or if I want to wait and get Defiance. I cannot decide which I want to play!!!! Grrrr lol.

 

If longevity is a concern I'd go with TSW.  Defiance is going to be far more of a casual affair.

 

TSW is also just plain better(and cheaper) on the grand scale.  Defiance is fun but ultimately shallow.

Please provide any factual support to your statements besides the current price. TSW longevity? This game hit the bargain bin and lower price faster then any major MMO on the market. Better how? see my prior statement as well as the large wall of complaints TSW has had hence the lack of subs to it.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by rojo6934

 

The number keys arent a huge problem, the animations are the main problem. I could live with spamming even 1 button if the animations were enjoyable.

I don´t get it, everyone is parotting this "the animation are a problem" crap?

here, a random TSW video pulled up with gameplay, now point out exactly where the bad animation is, the walking? the runnign? the shooting? the dodging? what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2EA2qspSY

 

GW2 here, so this looks in any shape or form better? you kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UMjdsQXKxE

oh and look at the buttons pressed,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2, what coincidence

pathetic forum parrots, really

you cant even compare the animations of GW2 to TSW , combat is clunky and slow in the secret world and animations are what everyone here and on their own boards scream about is the most lacking. I can give you the skill system is similiar with the 1 hotbar approach but why call people names here when they are right and you know it?  [mod edit]

Depends on if you want a FPS or a RPG. TSW is a very solid game, It has downsides and all have been acknowlaged by the Dev's and they are attempting to fix them. Some people don't like it, others will. There are a few Myths that i will quickly list here.

Cookie Cutter Builds - Yes the absolute top DPS are specific builds, however you do not need these in order to be successful in any of the endgame runs. Specifc Runs actually require not using these builds.

Stationary Combat - Pure lie, The game does not teather you to the ground at all. Some abilities require slower movement to cast however only one stops you, and it also roots your opponent aswell. Also moving in combat creates 30% automatic Midigation.

Buggy to Unplayable - Nope, as it stands there is one bugged quest currently in game. Others have been fixed, Some will break in the future but thats possible in any game. Endgame content however is buggy, Not because it plain old doesn't work, Simply put people go looking for a way to glitch the boss to create a easier fight. However none of it is unplayable.

The legitimate problems

Animations - even Funcom has said they want better animations, They are working on it. They recently updated the Jump animation.

PVP - Yes, Also acknowladged and being worked on. There was recently a blog post about it saying their first steps.

Content - Content is currently thin because of its recent release, Due to restructuring and moving (In some cases to another country)  Has slowed content release. Issue 6 is to be given a release date this week.

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

 

Could've sworn neither of these were FPS. One is a 3rd person shooter though.

Originally posted by Yizle

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

 

Could've sworn neither of these were FPS. One is a 3rd person shooter though.

Fair enough, Ill accept that. Ones a Shooter the other is a RPG. Mistake Fixed.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by rojo6934

 

The number keys arent a huge problem, the animations are the main problem. I could live with spamming even 1 button if the animations were enjoyable.

I don´t get it, everyone is parotting this "the animation are a problem" crap?

here, a random TSW video pulled up with gameplay, now point out exactly where the bad animation is, the walking? the runnign? the shooting? the dodging? what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2EA2qspSY

 

GW2 here, so this looks in any shape or form better? you kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UMjdsQXKxE

oh and look at the buttons pressed,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2, what coincidence

pathetic forum parrots, really

Oh hey its FromHell and hes bashing gw2 who woulda thought!

The guy you quoted didnt even bring up Gw2 he was talking about Age of Conan and you go and find one boring video of GW2 and compare it to a bland video of TSW. Everyone knows you don't like GW2 man. Give it a rest already.

Originally posted by Yizle

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

 

Could've sworn neither of these were FPS. One is a 3rd person shooter though.

Your correct neither are FPS, but the majority of people cant seem to wrap their heads around Shooter MMOs yet, eventually they will see the light, if you ever played Tabula Rasa you'd know what to expect from Defiance as far as gameplay is concerned, but the game live and died very quickly due to bad decisions by the Company and thus many people didnt experience it and the concept of a Shooter MMO is still completly unknown to them. Defiance is trying to bring back the Shooter MMORPG, and yes it is an RPG, just because its real time combat, and your shooting weapons doesnt make it a FPS or keep it from being an RPG, you have character progression, storyline progression, crafting and weapon customization, factional warfare, its own language/slang, and vehicles, pretty much everything staple in RPGs, the combat just happens to be Modern and with guns.

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Yizle

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

 

Could've sworn neither of these were FPS. One is a 3rd person shooter though.

 

Fair enough, Ill accept that. Ones a Shooter the other is a RPG. Mistake Fixed.

Both have character development, skill systems, gear, experience, quests, grouping, guilds/clans/corps, cities etc. So how is one an RPG and not the other? Because combat is different?

Originally posted by Kalafax

Originally posted by Yizle

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

However in the end, This is gonna come down to if you want a RPG or if you want FPS. 

 

Could've sworn neither of these were FPS. One is a 3rd person shooter though.

Your correct neither are FPS, but the majority of people cant seem to wrap their heads around Shooter MMOs yet, eventually they will see the light, if you ever played Tabula Rasa you'd know what to expect from Defiance as far as gameplay is concerned, but the game live and died very quickly due to bad decisions by the Company and thus many people didnt experience it and the concept of a Shooter MMO is still completly unknown to them. Defiance is trying to bring back the Shooter MMORPG, and yes it is an RPG, just because its real time combat, and your shooting weapons doesnt make it a FPS or keep it from being an RPG, you have character progression, storyline progression, crafting and weapon customization, factional warfare, its own language/slang, and vehicles, pretty much everything staple in RPGs, the combat just happens to be Modern and with guns.

Yeah it seems some people are very naive or just narrow minded.

Originally posted by Ortwig
I'm curious to know of the people who don't like the animations: when was the last time you played? Open beta? Just after launch? Since it went b2p? In the last month or so? You do realize animations have improved since beta right? Just asking.

About 3 weeks ago.

Well didnt mean for thi thread to turn into a flame war.

The reason I posted this on MMORPG.COM is becasue both are an MMO and an RPG. 

I just wanted some feedback from the community, and I appreciate all of you with helpful feedback! You guys are great! To those of you who come in and start calling people names and try to turn this topic into a negative one............JUST DONT POST if you have no friendly feedback. 

Drtrack there are a couple of good gameplay vids on youtube for Defiance. Also there is one that goes through some of the windows and options so you can see those. They did finally implement a match making it seems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b16lY3Zrnf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTtup_5yk-Y

OP both are B2P so why not both? unless you are really strapped on time and can only play one MMO...but still for me games like TSW are perfect for weekend play sessions while Definace for rest of the week.

I played Definace beta and all i can say is that it is releasing with a lot of content so you won't run out of things to do like you do with in a month in TSW.

Originally posted by Eir_S
I personally found TSW even less entertaining than every game you've already quit, so I can't recommend it myself.  It just looks and feels very clunky to me, not much personality in the asthetics.  I'm actually kind of looking forward to Defiance though; Trion is a solid company (unlike Funcom) and it's got a show tie-in.  Whether that show will be any good, being a sci-fi show (I refuse to call it by its new name) is anyone's guess.  Still, with Trion at the helm, you can be sure it will have years of support and content either way.

 Agree with this post....I was very unimpressed with TSW (and you ahve to pay for it now to boot).....I couldn't even get into it when it was free....Just had a very short term feel and all teh cutscenes and voice acting make it feel like a total single player game....Alot of people are still hyping it because it is fairly new but its nothing special.