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  birdycephon

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3/11/13 2:45:24 PM#201
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by Quailman
 

Oh bullshit. He paid for the game, he should be able to play it however he wants, whether the company that made it wants him to or not. As long as he's not freely distributing the game, he's not doing anything wrong.

I think legally, he didn't buy the game per se. He just bought a temporary access to the Sim City server, which may be suspended or even terminated at EA sole discretion, according to the EULA if you have read it.

 

Some people fail to understand that the only thing they bay is the plastic that is the disk, and/or the registration key that is essentially a proof of purchase. Everything else is the property of EA

And some people fail to understand how ridiculous that is. I can't believe there are consumers out there that actually think it's okay that we only "lease" games. When I buy a game, it's mine. I wil do whatever I want with it, barring sharing it to the public or getting profit from the publishers/developers work. Whatever I choose to do with it for personal use is my business, and I really don't care what you or any EULA has to say about it.

And that is exactly why we have DRM. 

Legally, when you buy a game like Sim City, its not yours. You do not own anything. You have gained a temporary access to the software and/or game servers, which at the sole discretion of EA, can be terminated.

Whether its right or wrong is a different matter. Your opinion only counts how you behave as a customer. If you bought it, you have no right to bitch about it. And as a matter of fact, I haven't bought Sim City and dont intend to do so until it's DRM free.

Err no.

The EU supreme court said otherwise just last year. ;)

Even download buy = legal owner with rights to resell.

If EA was a european company, then that would be true, however its not.

Any company that wishes to do business within a certain country, must comply with that country's consumer laws. EA is no exception.

Sure, enforce it then. If they had the balls, they would, but they love ther money too much, so tough luck with that.

So, you think that the EU does not enforce it's consumer laws? Is that what you're saying?

Didnt stop EA from publishing their game, did they? You know why? Cuz either there is no violation, or they dont care to enforce it.

Or they are not aware of it yet... I wonder what would happen if people filled lawsuits against EA :-?

I dont think so. There are litterally thousands of big name games published in EU, and you know what happened, nothing. 

  Quailman

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Joined: 10/08/09
Posts: 168

3/11/13 2:47:27 PM#202
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by Quailman
 

Oh bullshit. He paid for the game, he should be able to play it however he wants, whether the company that made it wants him to or not. As long as he's not freely distributing the game, he's not doing anything wrong.

I think legally, he didn't buy the game per se. He just bought a temporary access to the Sim City server, which may be suspended or even terminated at EA sole discretion, according to the EULA if you have read it.

 

Some people fail to understand that the only thing they bay is the plastic that is the disk, and/or the registration key that is essentially a proof of purchase. Everything else is the property of EA

And some people fail to understand how ridiculous that is. I can't believe there are consumers out there that actually think it's okay that we only "lease" games. When I buy a game, it's mine. I wil do whatever I want with it, barring sharing it to the public or getting profit from the publishers/developers work. Whatever I choose to do with it for personal use is my business, and I really don't care what you or any EULA has to say about it.

And that is exactly why we have DRM. 

Legally, when you buy a game like Sim City, its not yours. You do not own anything. You have gained a temporary access to the software and/or game servers, which at the sole discretion of EA, can be terminated.

Whether its right or wrong is a different matter. Your opinion only counts how you behave as a customer. If you bought it, you have no right to bitch about it. And as a matter of fact, I haven't bought Sim City and dont intend to do so until it's DRM free.

Err no.

The EU supreme court said otherwise just last year. ;)

Even download buy = legal owner with rights to resell.

If EA was a european company, then that would be true, however its not.

Any company that wishes to do business within a certain country, must comply with that country's consumer laws. EA is no exception.

Sure, enforce it then. If they had the balls, they would, but they love ther money too much, so tough luck with that.

So, you think that the EU does not enforce it's consumer laws? Is that what you're saying?

Didnt stop EA from publishing their game, did they? You know why? Cuz either there is no violation, or they dont care to enforce it.

EA published their game because they are complying with the consumer laws at this point. There's no law against DRM. The law that Elikal is talking about gives consumers the right to resell their game, whether it is in physical or digital form. I'm sure EA has thought of that though, since in order to sell Sim City, you'd have to sell your whole Origin account.

Consume. Be silent. Die.

  birdycephon

Novice Member

Joined: 8/08/09
Posts: 1327

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3/11/13 3:06:26 PM#203
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by Quailman
 

Oh bullshit. He paid for the game, he should be able to play it however he wants, whether the company that made it wants him to or not. As long as he's not freely distributing the game, he's not doing anything wrong.

I think legally, he didn't buy the game per se. He just bought a temporary access to the Sim City server, which may be suspended or even terminated at EA sole discretion, according to the EULA if you have read it.

 

Some people fail to understand that the only thing they bay is the plastic that is the disk, and/or the registration key that is essentially a proof of purchase. Everything else is the property of EA

And some people fail to understand how ridiculous that is. I can't believe there are consumers out there that actually think it's okay that we only "lease" games. When I buy a game, it's mine. I wil do whatever I want with it, barring sharing it to the public or getting profit from the publishers/developers work. Whatever I choose to do with it for personal use is my business, and I really don't care what you or any EULA has to say about it.

And that is exactly why we have DRM. 

Legally, when you buy a game like Sim City, its not yours. You do not own anything. You have gained a temporary access to the software and/or game servers, which at the sole discretion of EA, can be terminated.

Whether its right or wrong is a different matter. Your opinion only counts how you behave as a customer. If you bought it, you have no right to bitch about it. And as a matter of fact, I haven't bought Sim City and dont intend to do so until it's DRM free.

Err no.

The EU supreme court said otherwise just last year. ;)

Even download buy = legal owner with rights to resell.

If EA was a european company, then that would be true, however its not.

Any company that wishes to do business within a certain country, must comply with that country's consumer laws. EA is no exception.

Sure, enforce it then. If they had the balls, they would, but they love ther money too much, so tough luck with that.

So, you think that the EU does not enforce it's consumer laws? Is that what you're saying?

Didnt stop EA from publishing their game, did they? You know why? Cuz either there is no violation, or they dont care to enforce it.

EA published their game because they are complying with the consumer laws at this point. There's no law against DRM. The law that Elikal is talking about gives consumers the right to resell their game, whether it is in physical or digital form. I'm sure EA has thought of that though, since in order to sell Sim City, you'd have to sell your whole Origin account.

Now I see, the law only states that the consumer can transfer ownership to someone else, however in this case the ownership is only limited to the physical media and the license for the game. That still does not mean you own the game itself and can do anything you want to it. 

  Quailman

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/08/09
Posts: 168

3/11/13 3:13:18 PM#204
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Quailman
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by Quailman
 

Oh bullshit. He paid for the game, he should be able to play it however he wants, whether the company that made it wants him to or not. As long as he's not freely distributing the game, he's not doing anything wrong.

I think legally, he didn't buy the game per se. He just bought a temporary access to the Sim City server, which may be suspended or even terminated at EA sole discretion, according to the EULA if you have read it.

 

Some people fail to understand that the only thing they bay is the plastic that is the disk, and/or the registration key that is essentially a proof of purchase. Everything else is the property of EA

And some people fail to understand how ridiculous that is. I can't believe there are consumers out there that actually think it's okay that we only "lease" games. When I buy a game, it's mine. I wil do whatever I want with it, barring sharing it to the public or getting profit from the publishers/developers work. Whatever I choose to do with it for personal use is my business, and I really don't care what you or any EULA has to say about it.

And that is exactly why we have DRM. 

Legally, when you buy a game like Sim City, its not yours. You do not own anything. You have gained a temporary access to the software and/or game servers, which at the sole discretion of EA, can be terminated.

Whether its right or wrong is a different matter. Your opinion only counts how you behave as a customer. If you bought it, you have no right to bitch about it. And as a matter of fact, I haven't bought Sim City and dont intend to do so until it's DRM free.

Err no.

The EU supreme court said otherwise just last year. ;)

Even download buy = legal owner with rights to resell.

If EA was a european company, then that would be true, however its not.

Any company that wishes to do business within a certain country, must comply with that country's consumer laws. EA is no exception.

Sure, enforce it then. If they had the balls, they would, but they love ther money too much, so tough luck with that.

So, you think that the EU does not enforce it's consumer laws? Is that what you're saying?

Didnt stop EA from publishing their game, did they? You know why? Cuz either there is no violation, or they dont care to enforce it.

EA published their game because they are complying with the consumer laws at this point. There's no law against DRM. The law that Elikal is talking about gives consumers the right to resell their game, whether it is in physical or digital form. I'm sure EA has thought of that though, since in order to sell Sim City, you'd have to sell your whole Origin account.

Now I see, the law only states that the consumer can transfer ownership to someone else, however in this case the ownership is only limited to the physical media and the license for the game. That still does not mean you own the game itself and can do anything you want to it. 

Correct. I'm still gonna do whatever I want to the game to get it to run how I want, though (not this game specifically, I'm not buying this game). It hurts absolutely no one, since I don't share games. The fact that there are some people that think it's somehow wrong to alter a game for personal use is absurd. That's like telling me I can't modify my car unless done by the manufacturer.

Consume. Be silent. Die.

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

3/11/13 4:56:52 PM#205

Buttom line for me is: Sim City 5 is nothing but an elaborate Farmville. You constantly play online, you get a small piece of land, you need help and cooperation with others and you have a continually growing shop to alyways buy new shiny extras.

EA just wanted to be the new Zynga. And those kids who grew up with shitty Facebook games think that is normal. Welcome to the Generation Facebook. Even when Sim City 5 works, the details I see in the reviews are anything else but stellar. Busses which are stuck, disasters which destroy your city for no reason (without fallback savegame) and legions of other stuff beyond this enforced online crap.

 

Sim City 5 is the new Farmville and EA the new Zynga.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  birdycephon

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Joined: 8/08/09
Posts: 1327

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3/11/13 5:33:40 PM#206
Originally posted by Elikal

Buttom line for me is: Sim City 5 is nothing but an elaborate Farmville. You constantly play online, you get a small piece of land, you need help and cooperation with others and you have a continually growing shop to alyways buy new shiny extras.

EA just wanted to be the new Zynga. And those kids who grew up with shitty Facebook games think that is normal. Welcome to the Generation Facebook. Even when Sim City 5 works, the details I see in the reviews are anything else but stellar. Busses which are stuck, disasters which destroy your city for no reason (without fallback savegame) and legions of other stuff beyond this enforced online crap.

 

Sim City 5 is the new Farmville and EA the new Zynga.

You haven't even played it.

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

3/11/13 5:48:03 PM#207
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by Elikal

Buttom line for me is: Sim City 5 is nothing but an elaborate Farmville. You constantly play online, you get a small piece of land, you need help and cooperation with others and you have a continually growing shop to alyways buy new shiny extras.

EA just wanted to be the new Zynga. And those kids who grew up with shitty Facebook games think that is normal. Welcome to the Generation Facebook. Even when Sim City 5 works, the details I see in the reviews are anything else but stellar. Busses which are stuck, disasters which destroy your city for no reason (without fallback savegame) and legions of other stuff beyond this enforced online crap.

 

Sim City 5 is the new Farmville and EA the new Zynga.

You haven't even played it.

I am not unfair. If EA drops the always-online DRM and sells it for a FAIR price, not ridiculous 60 Euro, I am willing give it a shot and give an honest impression. (Or gives out a free demo version, which would be advised given this disaster, btw.) ) Until then, watching ~ 10 review videos from reknown magazins and reading a dozen articles from experienced testers must suffice for me. I am always willing to give companies chances, even someone as clueless as EA. And if anything my history here proves that I give games and companies due chance if they react to their customers. Until then, that is how I perceive Sim City 5.

 

If per chance anyone here has ... connections, I would forward this suggestion. Not that I would assume such a hidious thing from anyone.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  firefly2003

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3/12/13 2:32:32 AM#208
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Jyiiga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUl_Cj2_KWU

I have not bought it, but I find a 30 min line to play a single player game hilariously terrible. 

 

 

I'm curious about how many of the people that rail against EA and like the Sim City series still went and bought this game.

 

I'm a big fan of the series and I have played almost every Sim City that came out, but this Origin crap was the last straw for me with that company.

I love the Sim City series and own all the Sim (insert name) games but I have actively boycotted EA games for over a year now and haven't bought one game from them since then which I won't be touching Sim City 5 either no matter how much I like the series.. A queue for a single player game....once the game is 3 yrs old and they start shutting servers down on their end players lose out on a component of the game when people used to be able to run their own servers.

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

3/12/13 3:05:00 AM#209
Originally posted by Elikal

I used to love SimCity of old, but NO WAY. A single player game, where I have to be online connected all the time? Why not have the EA CEO watch me with a webcam all the time, to be sure it's REALLY me who is playing?

Patheic. If I buy a game it's mine, end of story. I can accept a one time online registration as compromise, but all the time online on some goddamn servers is going too far. Sorry, but no. So every time their servers are down I can't play? Absurd. No and no!

Shhhhhh!  Give them no ideas.

Everyone knows the world is messed up. But you don't deserve to call yourself a human being if you have not masturbated at least once a day. Go to your room and fix yourself before you try to fix the world.

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