"The highly-integrated Sony PlayStation 4 system-on-chip integrates eight AMD x86 Jaguar cores, custom AMD Radeon HD core with unified array of 18 AMD GCN-like compute units (1152 stream processors which collectively generate 1.84TFLOPS of computer power that can freely be applied to graphics, simulation tasks, or some mixture of the two), various special-purpose  blocks as well as multi-channel GDDR5 memory controller."

"The PS4 will come with 8GB of unified GDDR5 memory sub-system (with 176GB/s bandwidth) for both CPU and GPU as well as large-capacity hard disk drive." http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20130221223422_AMD_Discloses_More_Details_About_Sony_PS4_System_on_Chip.html

The article has some more details at the Xbitllabs site. Any thoughts on the PS4 hardware?

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

PS4 would probably be obsolete in three years with the pace technology keeps advancing.

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

nintendo do that for years, most of they profits is from games.

also I don't know why you guys ware taht raging for the ps4, they want a console doing what a pc do, then I ask why the hell I would want one?

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

nintendo do that for years, most of they profits is from games.

 

also I don't know why you guys ware taht raging for the ps4, they want a console doing what a pc do, then I ask why the hell I would want one?

It depends. Games like GTA and Saint's Row I get for console because they tend to run smoother than on a mid range PC. If the browser was better on my PS3 we'd probably browse more on the living room TV. Heck, my Wife would probably spend hours on Pintrest alone there. Unfortunately it's currently a crapshoot.

We use our PS3 as a family game machine, a media center, and our Netflix player. It does a better job in less space and for a lower price than most PC options. A PS4 would be a great I mprovement on that experience for us, moreso than an equivalent PC.

It all depends on what you use your console for.

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

Using windows and letting everyone pirate everything and then encouraging them to use the clumsy keyboard would pretty much defeat the purpose and the good parts about using a console over a PC in the first place. 

Instead, sony should start letting people develop and distribute apps the way they do on android or ipad. 

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

Then it wouldn't be a console.

Originally posted by adam_nox

Instead, sony should start letting people develop and distribute apps the way they do on android or ipad. 

I would have thought that by now, with the extensive PS store and support for, DLC keys, in-game transactions, content unlocks, etc they would have the system opened up a little more to get a bunch of indies in there genrating cash hand over fist for them. It would be interesting to find out why they keep it as closed as they do.

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

nintendo do that for years, most of they profits is from games.

 

also I don't know why you guys ware taht raging for the ps4, they want a console doing what a pc do, then I ask why the hell I would want one?

Not sure what you're smoking, but Nintendo is the only console maker that actually sells their consoles at a profit, pretty much from day 1.  It's why they're so far behind the performance curve.

Originally posted by asmkm22

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

nintendo do that for years, most of they profits is from games.

 

also I don't know why you guys ware taht raging for the ps4, they want a console doing what a pc do, then I ask why the hell I would want one?

Not sure what you're smoking, but Nintendo is the only console maker that actually sells their consoles at a profit, pretty much from day 1.  It's why they're so far behind the performance curve.

Apple does, too.  The iPad is basically a console, though games aren't its primary purpose.

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If Sony thought there was a market for it and they could prevent the "normal" PS4 from being hacked into this, it could make sense for them to sell an alternate version of a PS4 with Windows 7 or 8 installed for $600, or Linux for a little less than that.  That would probably be enough to make a profit on every unit sold.  But at $600 rather than $425, would there still be a market for it?  And you'd need some hardware protections in place to prevent people from buying the $425 normal PS4 and turning it into a $600 Windows PS4.

Originally posted by Fornax123
My current mid-range PC with a year old graphics card pushes more FLOPS.  I'll stick with PC gaming tyvm.

How many FLOPS does it push?

How many FLOPS does a mid range gaming rig often talked about in this section of the forums push? How does it compare with the upcoming Sony PS4?

I have no clue what all that computer jargin is, but I'm guessing that all means it'll be better to just go and buy $600 in parts and put your own computer together...since it'll be faster, have a much better variety of games, it'll be backwards compatible, can actually do more than play games, and you can upgrade it for a few bills later on down the road?  That's all I needed to know.  

That's assuming they're only going to charge $600 for it like the PS3...however if they go with the price jump from PS2 to PS3 launch, it'll be more like $900...then it'll really not be worth it lol.

Originally posted by Sal1

Originally posted by Fornax123
My current mid-range PC with a year old graphics card pushes more FLOPS.  I'll stick with PC gaming tyvm.

How many FLOPS does it push?

How many FLOPS does a mid range gaming rig often talked about in this section of the forums push? How does it compare with the upcoming Sony PS4?

I am sure he has no idea what he's talking about. A mid-range PC can't compare to the new PS4.

But it's not the specs that really matter. I don't understand all those blind PC fanboys who hate everything related to consoles. You do realise your specs mean nothing? People buy consoles to play games. And a lot of great games don't even make it to the PC. What good is a super uber powerful PC if I can't play the games I want? I still remember all those PC fanboys hating on consoles while at the same time begging for console exclusives to come to the PC.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Vrika

I'm starting to wish they'd just let people install Windows to PS4. Then use mouse, keyboard, monitor, and completely replace their desktop computer.

The problem is that Sony will probably lose money on every PS4 that they sell.  The plan is to make it up by taking a cut of game sales.  But that doesn't happen if you let users install Windows and play games where Sony doesn't get a cut of the sales.

The other problem with using it for a Windows gaming PC is that the low single-threaded performance will mean that badly-coded games that don't scale well to many CPU cores won't run well.  There are more than a few such games out there.

nintendo do that for years, most of they profits is from games.

 

also I don't know why you guys ware taht raging for the ps4, they want a console doing what a pc do, then I ask why the hell I would want one?

It depends. Games like GTA and Saint's Row I get for console because they tend to run smoother than on a mid range PC. If the browser was better on my PS3 we'd probably browse more on the living room TV. Heck, my Wife would probably spend hours on Pintrest alone there. Unfortunately it's currently a crapshoot.

We use our PS3 as a family game machine, a media center, and our Netflix player. It does a better job in less space and for a lower price than most PC options. A PS4 would be a great I mprovement on that experience for us, moreso than an equivalent PC.

It all depends on what you use your console for.

Agreed

My PS3 has been used to stream nextflix, media, blu ray player, music ect alot more than for gaming. I do play games on it some but prefer my PC for any serious gaming.

I may get a PS4 at some point, but it wont be at launch thats for sure. They make great media centers for the living room and for now the PS3 is filling that roll nicely.

Originally posted by Sal1

Originally posted by Fornax123
My current mid-range PC with a year old graphics card pushes more FLOPS.  I'll stick with PC gaming tyvm.

How many FLOPS does it push?

How many FLOPS does a mid range gaming rig often talked about in this section of the forums push? How does it compare with the upcoming Sony PS4?

You do realize that looking purely at FLOPS is comparing apples and oranges, don't you?  Even at exactly the same theoretical maximum FLOPS number, Fermi performance > GCN performance > TeraScale performance, and none of those are terribly close to being equal.

Originally posted by Gravarg

I have no clue what all that computer jargin is, but I'm guessing that all means it'll be better to just go and buy $600 in parts and put your own computer together...since it'll be faster, have a much better variety of games, it'll be backwards compatible, can actually do more than play games, and you can upgrade it for a few bills later on down the road?  That's all I needed to know.  

 

That's assuming they're only going to charge $600 for it like the PS3...however if they go with the price jump from PS2 to PS3 launch, it'll be more like $900...then it'll really not be worth it lol.

I thought I read somewhere that it was going to be $425.

Much of the point of going with integrated graphics is to keep the cost of production down.  That shows up less in the first iteration, but give it a couple of die shrinks and they might eventually be able to sell it profitably at $200.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Sal1

Originally posted by Fornax123
My current mid-range PC with a year old graphics card pushes more FLOPS.  I'll stick with PC gaming tyvm.

How many FLOPS does it push?

How many FLOPS does a mid range gaming rig often talked about in this section of the forums push? How does it compare with the upcoming Sony PS4?

You do realize that looking purely at FLOPS is comparing apples and oranges, don't you?  Even at exactly the same theoretical maximum FLOPS number, Fermi performance > GCN performance > TeraScale performance, and none of those are terribly close to being equal.

I see.  I thought operations per second would be a fair comparison. So there isn't really a way to compare the new Playstation 4 with a PC?

Originally posted by Sal1

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Sal1

Originally posted by Fornax123
My current mid-range PC with a year old graphics card pushes more FLOPS.  I'll stick with PC gaming tyvm.

How many FLOPS does it push?

How many FLOPS does a mid range gaming rig often talked about in this section of the forums push? How does it compare with the upcoming Sony PS4?

You do realize that looking purely at FLOPS is comparing apples and oranges, don't you?  Even at exactly the same theoretical maximum FLOPS number, Fermi performance > GCN performance > TeraScale performance, and none of those are terribly close to being equal.

I see.  I thought operations per second would be a fair comparison. So there isn't really a way to compare the new Playstation 4 with a PC?

You can compare FLOPS numbers provided that the only PC video cards you're comparing to are Radeon HD 7000 series cards.  Or more to the point, 7750 or higher, as anything below 7700 is a rebrand of an older card of a different architecture.

If you want to compare other video cards, then find the equivalent in the Radeon HD 7000 series first, and chain the comparison.  E.g., if card X is half as fast as a Radeon HD 7750, which is in turn half as fast as a PS4 GPU, then card X is about 1/4 as fast as a PS4 GPU.