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  xpowderx

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OP  3/03/13 9:54:42 AM#1

Was talking to a friend of mine who works for SOE near Tacoma Washington. He told me about a game many mmorpg players are anticipating. I also got my answer as to why SOE has been silent on the subject. This pertains to EQ Next. The  new Everquest. First let me say its not coming out on PC for at least a while. It is however coming out with Sonys new PS4. There will be a barrage of commercials starting in October with that game headlining the new PS4.

So now we know the silence towards the MMORPG PC community. It seems that SOE is going console. Whats your opinion of this? By the way, the PS4 specs are pretty uber even to some PCs.

That said, I see a trend developing in the mmorpg industry. More and more games are coming out either crossplatform or strictly console.

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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

3/03/13 9:57:48 AM#2
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.
  Excalaber2

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3/03/13 9:59:52 AM#3
Yeah sorry but I don't really believe you.  Maybe your friend was messing with you.  The plans to have a PC mmo and also port to a console make sense.  But not straight-to-console with one of the most successful PC MMORPGs in history would be something that I don't think even SOE would mess up.

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  Quirhid

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3/03/13 10:02:48 AM#4
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

But the console market has millions more and little to no competition.

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  Squeak69

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3/03/13 10:03:13 AM#5

mmmmmm sorry but i dont take word of mouth from a "friend" who works in a place as fact. so until i actully see some real proof im not going to beleave it.

and if it is true meh, im not going to care there is at least 2-3 pretty over bright fantasy MMOs comeing out each years so i wont really fill the loss in fact they might make more this way, cause deigneing a game only for the consol is cheaper and easyier then PC and with less MMOs on consule to compete with they may come out ahead long as they shot for basic profit and not WoW numbers

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  xpowderx

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OP  3/03/13 10:04:01 AM#6
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

Also, some of the specs of the PS4 revealed by AMD.

 

Advanced Micro Devices on Thursday revealed additional details about the system-on-chip that powers Sony Corp.’s PlayStation 4 video game console. According to AMD, the accelerated processing unit inside the PS4 is the company’s first design win with semi-custom APU for high-volume applications with multi-year lifespan.

The highly-integrated Sony PlayStation 4 system-on-chip integrates eight AMD x86 Jaguar cores, custom AMD Radeon HD core with unified array of 18 AMD GCN-like compute units (1152 stream processors which collectively generate 1.84TFLOPS of computer power that can freely be applied to graphics, simulation tasks, or some mixture of the two), various special-purpose blocks as well as multi-channel GDDR5 memory controller.

The PS4 will come with 8GB of unified GDDR5 memory sub-system (with 176GB/s bandwidth) for both CPU and GPU as well as large-capacity hard disk drive. Sony PS4 will be equipped with Blu-ray disc drive capable of reading BDs at 6x and DVDs at 8x speeds, USB 3.0 connectivity in addition to a proprietary aux port, Gigabit Ethernet port, 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.1 EDR wireless technology as well as HDMI, optical and analog outputs. The new system will also utilize new DualShock 4 game controller with integrated touchpad as well as better motion sensing thanks to new PS4 Eye tracking cameras. Sony PlayStation 4 will be available this holiday season.

You can find the full article here:http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20130221223422_AMD_Discloses_More_Details_About_Sony_PS4_System_on_Chip.html

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  superniceguy

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3/03/13 10:05:46 AM#7

I am starting to get fed up of consoles, they seem to be turning more into low spec PCs (compared to the best PCs). The PS4 may be good now, but by the time it is released will not be so good, and by the time it gets going, will be outdated hardware

If it is on console as well then it makes for a wider audience, but after the PS3/Xbox 360 I think I am done with consoles unless they end up being backwards compatible, and so if it is not on PC as well, then I will not get to play it. I will get Wii U as it is BC, but it will be years before I get a PS4 / next Xbox if at all.

  User Deleted
3/03/13 10:08:06 AM#8
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

No game is hack proof...

  Punk999

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3/03/13 10:08:33 AM#9
Wouldnt surprise me! There was Everquest online adventures so wouldnt be the first time, and i dont mind since i plan on buying a PS4.

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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

3/03/13 10:08:34 AM#10
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

But the console market has millions more and little to no competition.

25 million+ pc gamers, still a huge chunk to avoid and over look dont you think? Considering EQ is a pc game, to make the switch and just obmit the original fan base kind of would suck. And how many people are going to buy PS4 soon as it is released? Will take time for thos million you state to even get it and harm their income right off the bat. And since they speak of it being a PS4 game, means no PS1-3 will be able to play it if they go with their normal strategy on that.

 

Speculation of course, but i still dont believe the OP.

  Thane

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3/03/13 10:08:35 AM#11
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

But the console market has millions more and little to no competition.

and there is a reason for that ^^

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  xpowderx

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OP  3/03/13 10:11:30 AM#12
I added a little more info in my above post.

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courage is your armour;
go on, go on, in my strength;
& ye shall turn not back for any!
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  Torvaldr

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3/03/13 10:18:14 AM#13
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

LOL! NO!  As of January they have sold 77M PS3 consoles total.  Console games tend to sell better than individual PC title though because the platform is focused.  MMO console games have historically been a big flop because they aren't conducive to the various forms of input, controls, and chat.  Hoever, we'll see what PS4 and the nextgen Xbox bring to the table.  They aren't an entirely different beast though.

Given that you can't get your facts straight I have no confidence in how you interpreted whatever your "SoE friend" told you.  If you would have claimed it's coming to the PS4, then I would believe that.  But you're out to lunch if you think they're going to abandon their core market.  SoE is supported by their PC gamers.  They couldn't take that revenue hit and keep going.  Do you actually think that the 77M PS3 users, which may or may not buy the non-compatible PS4, are MMO players?  I doubt even 10% play mmos.  If that was the case Everquest Adventures for the console would have rocked the WoW numbers.

Nope, sorry.  You're way off on this one.

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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

3/03/13 10:18:46 AM#14
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

 

On October 1 2011 they had sold 55.5 million since the November 17 2006 release. So they took 5 years to sell 55 million but sold 77 million in one month?

Btw 138 million computers were sold last year alone. Twice that of playstations in a 6 year period.

You can google that, i did :)

 

SO no i still dont believe that. Hell seems like console style games already invaded the pc mmorpgs so why bother switching back

  Torvaldr

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3/03/13 10:25:25 AM#15

The latest statistic I could find for Xbox was 75M total as of January 2012.

We could get a little foreshadowning on your prediction with how successful Dust and Defiance will be.  I already know the answer to that.  Good luck with the fantasy though.  You're not the first one to wish it so.  It's not a bad idea actually, but there are so many hurdles, including hardware aging, that it just isn't working out how you would like.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Squeak69

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3/03/13 10:26:37 AM#16
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

 

On October 1 2011 they had sold 55.5 million since the November 17 2006 release. So they took 5 years to sell 55 million but sold 77 million in one month?

Btw 138 million computers were sold last year alone. Twice that of playstations in a 6 year period.

You can google that, i did :)

 

SO no i still dont believe that. Hell seems like console style games already invaded the pc mmorpgs so why bother switching back

while i dont doubt your number for ether i would like to point out roughly 70 percent of people who buy PCs ether dont game at all or are replaceing a old one. of course this counts for PS3 as well

ether way once agian if they aim for profitable numbers and with the lesser cost of develment for a consol over PC they can still make a good prefit via going only consol. especilly since the competion will be so low.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Torvaldr

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3/03/13 10:32:30 AM#17
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!

Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.

 

On October 1 2011 they had sold 55.5 million since the November 17 2006 release. So they took 5 years to sell 55 million but sold 77 million in one month?

Btw 138 million computers were sold last year alone. Twice that of playstations in a 6 year period.

You can google that, i did :)

 

SO no i still dont believe that. Hell seems like console style games already invaded the pc mmorpgs so why bother switching back

while i dont doubt your number for ether i would like to point out roughly 70 percent of people who buy PCs ether dont game at all or are replaceing a old one. of course this counts for PS3 as well

ether way once agian if they aim for profitable numbers and with the lesser cost of develment for a consol over PC they can still make a good prefit via going only consol. especilly since the competion will be so low.

Like I said above though, what portion of the console owners play mmos?  The latest console we purchased was a Wii a couple years ago.  If, and that's a big if, we buy another it's probably going to be an Xbox.  Even then I'm not sure I want to tie into a single limited locked platform like that.  Not only that but we have 4 gamers in our house.  One console doesn't work well for that.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

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3/03/13 10:32:51 AM#18
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by Onomas
Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.

But the console market has millions more and little to no competition.

and there is a reason for that ^^

For me it was DRM, and that consoles are cheap compared to keeping an up to date PC. Also devs have been getting lazier and not taking advantage of the PC specs. Dead Space 3 was apparently just a port of the Xbox 360 / PS3 and used DX9

However now, the PS4 and next Xbox are looking to be just like PCs (Wii U still maintains a decent console image), and losing that console appeal, and even rumoured to block 2nd hand games and go DRM too. They have said used games can still work, but that may not hold true for long, and if so with DLC it makes it harder to sell your games, as you want to keep them for the DLC.

After Xbox 360 / PS3 I will probably just wait until the games are £5-£15 or below on Steam or wherever in sales and then buy them. Whn you buy a game on release at £40, by the time you are finished with them they are being sold off for about £15, so lose out on about over £25

I think PCs will start to make a comeback after Xbox 360 / PS3 - Are people really going to ditch loads of games / DLC / downloads just to move to the next gen? Previous consoles never had this problem much, as all content and games were on disk / cartridge and can still be played in all its glory if you kept them and the conoles, with the exception of some original Xbox games as Microsft shut down the servers to get the DLC / onlne functionality, but that was not so much to lose compared to Xbox 360 and PS3,. plus these have been around a longer time than any other console in the past. This is not a major problem with PCs, as if you update your PC you can still play your old favourite games mostly, and some may need a slight tweak. No amount of tweaking will get N64 cartridge games to play on a Wii / Wii U.

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3/03/13 10:33:00 AM#19

It would make sense moving to the console market with the PS4 as it would beable to cope now due to the ram increase. However, I doubt they will just focus on that.

 

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OP  3/03/13 10:34:15 AM#20
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The latest statistic I could find for Xbox was 75M total as of January 2012.

We could get a little foreshadowning on your prediction with how successful Dust and Defiance will be.  I already know the answer to that.  Good luck with the fantasy though.  You're not the first one to wish it so.  It's not a bad idea actually, but there are so many hurdles, including hardware aging, that it just isn't working out how you would like.

A excerpt from a previous post. Concerning "Hardware" aging.

Advanced Micro Devices on Thursday revealed additional details about the system-on-chip that powers Sony Corp.’s PlayStation 4 video game console. According to AMD, the accelerated processing unit inside the PS4 is the company’s first design win with semi-custom APU for high-volume applications with multi-year lifespan.

The highly-integrated Sony PlayStation 4 system-on-chip integrates eight AMD x86 Jaguar cores, custom AMD Radeon HD core with unified array of 18 AMD GCN-like compute units (1152 stream processors which collectively generate 1.84TFLOPS of computer power that can freely be applied to graphics, simulation tasks, or some mixture of the two), various special-purpose blocks as well as multi-channel GDDR5 memory controller.

The PS4 will come with 8GB of unified GDDR5 memory sub-system (with 176GB/s bandwidth) for both CPU and GPU as well as large-capacity hard disk drive. Sony PS4 will be equipped with Blu-ray disc drive capable of reading BDs at 6x and DVDs at 8x speeds, USB 3.0 connectivity in addition to a proprietary aux port, Gigabit Ethernet port, 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.1 EDR wireless technology as well as HDMI, optical and analog outputs. The new system will also utilize new DualShock 4 game controller with integrated touchpad as well as better motion sensing thanks to new PS4 Eye tracking cameras. Sony PlayStation 4 will be available this holiday season.

 

Most PCs on the market do not even have this capability.

 

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