Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

ya must have missed this... HERE

thats an articel by a mmorpg writer about what they think COULD make AVA great.  Its not an interview with a TESO dev.  Its a specualtion / wish list article.

Your right, I missread that.

Originally posted by trash656

Look at all of you, 30 pages of arguing about if this game is a True TES game or not. Who cares, all that you people should be more concerned with, is if the game is if the game is an indepth, descent MMO.

How many absolutely shitty MMO's have we been playing in the last 13 years? At this point who cares, all that we need is a good indepth MMO like the old days.

Only reason I keep posting is because I am sick of MMOers two sided bashing. Every PvP MMO to come out in the past 10 years has all been compaired to DAoC and told off for not doing 3 faction RvR. We get that and we bash the devs. We ask for old school features to be brought back and when we get open world dungeons and old school 3 faction RvR, again we bash. We really are a hard bunch to please. As for indepth MMO like the old days... HERE HERE!!! I really hope ESO can bring that as I am sick of 3-6 month MMO stops because of shallow waters. Time devs spent as much time polishing the game and working on the elder game as they do just building the MMO.

I could of sworn I read somewhere they ARE planning on a non instanced mega dungeon in cyrodil that changes hands based on who owns it.

DF anyone?

I'd find the link to where I read it, but I'm at work and busy enough as is LOL.

ok just a stupid question...

As a daoc player I do know what PvP is, RvR, etc... but... what's that AvA? O.o

Sorry for the dumb question and thanks in advance :)

Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

ok just a stupid question...

As a daoc player I do know what PvP is, RvR, etc... but... what's that AvA? O.o

Sorry for the dumb question and thanks in advance :)

Alliance vs alliance, just like GW2 changed RvR to WvW for world vs world. Call it FvF for faction vs faction its all the same thing!

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

ok just a stupid question...

As a daoc player I do know what PvP is, RvR, etc... but... what's that AvA? O.o

Sorry for the dumb question and thanks in advance :)

Alliance vs alliance, just like GW2 changed RvR to WvW for world vs world. Call it FvF for faction vs faction its all the same thing!

Thanks :)

Originally posted by Tuktz
I'm still gonna call it RVR. LOL

Me too.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by trash656

Look at all of you, 30 pages of arguing about if this game is a True TES game or not. Who cares, all that you people should be more concerned with, is if the game is if the game is an indepth, descent MMO.

How many absolutely shitty MMO's have we been playing in the last 13 years? At this point who cares, all that we need is a good indepth MMO like the old days.

Only reason I keep posting is because I am sick of MMOers two sided bashing. Every PvP MMO to come out in the past 10 years has all been compaired to DAoC and told off for not doing 3 faction RvR. We get that and we bash the devs. We ask for old school features to be brought back and when we get open world dungeons and old school 3 faction RvR, again we bash. We really are a hard bunch to please. As for indepth MMO like the old days... HERE HERE!!! I really hope ESO can bring that as I am sick of 3-6 month MMO stops because of shallow waters. Time devs spent as much time polishing the game and working on the elder game as they do just building the MMO.

You will find very few bashing the DAoC model. Most peple agree it is a good one.

You will find many bashing the 'shaft what we like about TES to incorporate the DAoC model'.

You are putting the cart before the horse every time you post on this.

Originally posted by Mardukk
They are banking on TESO fans liking the DAOC formula (limited exploration and pvp focused)....good luck with that.

...yeah....

You can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can at least try to please a great many of the people your efforts are supposed to be aimed at...

Originally posted by trash656

Pointless debates that go absolutely nowhere. Look you can argue all day and night for the next 20 years about this, all that you people should be more concerned with, is if the game is an indepth, descent MMO.

How many absolutely shitty MMO's have you all been playing in the last 13 years? At this point who gives a f? Whats more inportant is if it is any good or not. We have not seen a good MMO in almost 14 years.

A pointless post talking about the pointlessness of other peoples posts...

... ironic...

You are right in your penultimate sentence however - it is important whether the game is any good or not.

What a great many people already know is good is TES's freedom to explore and DAoC's 3-way factional PvP .

That's what they are talking about, and why this thread isn't in fact pointless at all...

Originally posted by sapphen

I like this thread because it calls ESO out for what it is.  I don't care what the developers are trying to feed us, they never intended to make a TES MMO (originally tab targeting, no proper FPV,  no faction choice and limited exploration is not TES).  They wanted to make money by creating a generic MMO with DAoC RvR in a TES skin.

You know what else is not TES?

Multiplayer.

Originally posted by Caliburn101

Originally posted by trash656

Pointless debates that go absolutely nowhere. Look you can argue all day and night for the next 20 years about this, all that you people should be more concerned with, is if the game is an indepth, descent MMO.

How many absolutely shitty MMO's have you all been playing in the last 13 years? At this point who gives a f? Whats more inportant is if it is any good or not. We have not seen a good MMO in almost 14 years.

A pointless post talking about the pointlessness of other peoples posts...

... ironic...

You are right in your penultimate sentence however - it is important whether the game is any good or not.

What a great many people already know is good is TES's freedom to explore and DAoC's 3-way factional PvP .

That's what they are talking about, and why this thread isn't in fact pointless at all...

It must take a lot out of you and others like you who like to hate on a game. You have no clue how indepth the exploring is in this game but if you cant go everywhere on one char its a fail. There is more to exploring in a MMO then going everywhere on one char. We know so little about the details your stand seems so silly to me. The mages story is about exploring, they have talked about making sure there are lots of ruins to explore, caves and 2 man open world dungeons. That seems to make the explorer in me happy and for all we know that could be the half of it. I dont get haters, if you dont like it go find a game you do and dont buy this one.

Originally posted by KaosProphet

Originally posted by sapphen

I like this thread because it calls ESO out for what it is.  I don't care what the developers are trying to feed us, they never intended to make a TES MMO (originally tab targeting, no proper FPV,  no faction choice and limited exploration is not TES).  They wanted to make money by creating a generic MMO with DAoC RvR in a TES skin.

You know what else is not TES?

Multiplayer.

Just because it's going to be a MMO doesn't mean they have to forfeit important elements from the series.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Caliburn101

Originally posted by trash656

Pointless debates that go absolutely nowhere. Look you can argue all day and night for the next 20 years about this, all that you people should be more concerned with, is if the game is an indepth, descent MMO.

How many absolutely shitty MMO's have you all been playing in the last 13 years? At this point who gives a f? Whats more inportant is if it is any good or not. We have not seen a good MMO in almost 14 years.

A pointless post talking about the pointlessness of other peoples posts...

... ironic...

You are right in your penultimate sentence however - it is important whether the game is any good or not.

What a great many people already know is good is TES's freedom to explore and DAoC's 3-way factional PvP .

That's what they are talking about, and why this thread isn't in fact pointless at all...

It must take a lot out of you and others like you who like to hate on a game. You have no clue how indepth the exploring is in this game but if you cant go everywhere on one char its a fail. There is more to exploring in a MMO then going everywhere on one char. We know so little about the details your stand seems so silly to me. The mages story is about exploring, they have talked about making sure there are lots of ruins to explore, caves and 2 man open world dungeons. That seems to make the explorer in me happy and for all we know that could be the half of it. I dont get haters, if you dont like it go find a game you do and dont buy this one.

Thanks for being dismissive and not bothering to read the clear posts I have made on this in various threads before characterising my entire position.

But then doing so would 'probably take a lot out of you' yes?

Easier by far to mislable me a 'hater' and follow the well-worn road of those with nothing useful to say but who nevertheless have internet access and insist on using it.

So allow me to reiterate so you can understand without making said effort.

There is only one thing wrong with this game - and as much as you go on about other people not having a clue about how much exploration is in the game - even a village idiot can work out that there would be twice as much without a lockout. There is no point arguing against this point - it's basic maths.

My stand is on ONE thing - the issue that in putting in the well-respected and hopefully well-realised DAoC 3-way style PvP model they have gone for, they should not have seriously restricted (as THEY have already said they have...) the freedom to explore the entire gameworld.

The three biggest threads on this forum are about this very issue - and any poll or opinion gathering exercise clearly shows no more than a third of people happy with Zenimax's model 'as is'.

There are a great many TES fans who don't like being restricted - and a few vocal DAoC fans such as yourself (and please... don't bother to deny it - your very many lurid green posts make it perfectly clear where you stand) who think that that restriction was 'innevitable', or 'required' to make a 3-way game work.

What simplistic, unimaginative and limited thinking...

It may well be that things cannot change wholesale at this stage, but then Zenimax didn't bother to discuss it with the IP fans before this point did they? There are also some reasonable ideas for part-fixes which would allow full exploration whilst not interfering with the questing set up YOU have made a great many assumptions about previously.

You don't get haters? Then stop your passive aggressive posts - which by your own definition - are 'hating' by being exlusively and dissmissively 'pro' the current model.

That you don't agree with the TES fans who have a problem with it doesn't give you the imprative to moralise about 'haters' - a word too often used by the foolish to describe anyone who doesn't agree with them.

By all means keep banging the drum for what YOU want - but do yourself a favour and bin the casual derision of those who don't agree with you.

That way, maybe those people seriously debating the issues can take you seriously.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by KaosProphet

Originally posted by sapphen

I like this thread because it calls ESO out for what it is.  I don't care what the developers are trying to feed us, they never intended to make a TES MMO (originally tab targeting, no proper FPV,  no faction choice and limited exploration is not TES).  They wanted to make money by creating a generic MMO with DAoC RvR in a TES skin.

You know what else is not TES?

Multiplayer.

Just because it's going to be a MMO doesn't mean they have to forfeit important elements from the series.

Don't you just love this kind of 'logic'...

"Because this Elder Scrolls MMO has some elements TES has never had before as a single player game means you cannot argue it should have any of the things which have made it such a successful game in the past, even when such elements are already an established part of the MMO genre."

A roomful of monkeys might take a long time to write a Shakespeare play by randomly hitting typewriter keys, but they could shoot this kind of argument down in seconds...

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by KaosProphet

Originally posted by sapphen

I like this thread because it calls ESO out for what it is.  I don't care what the developers are trying to feed us, they never intended to make a TES MMO (originally tab targeting, no proper FPV,  no faction choice and limited exploration is not TES).  They wanted to make money by creating a generic MMO with DAoC RvR in a TES skin.

You know what else is not TES?

Multiplayer.

Just because it's going to be a MMO doesn't mean they have to forfeit important elements from the series.

They don't have to include game mechanics from the single player series either. I know you have a point, they could make all of Tamriel explorable on one character, however they didn't.

I'm actually liking the decisions they are making thus far. Does that not make me a "True TES fan?", I don't care.

Originally posted by Margulis
Elder Scrolls of Camelot is what this game be.  I want to play Elder Scrolls true to the games

Dark Age of Elder Scrolls, lol.