Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Mardukk
Everyone seems to love P2P in this thread.  Do you still love the box price with the sub?  Or just a sub is enough P2P for you?  Just curious.  I don't feel that I'll ever do box price and sub together ever again, short of my dream game.

Box plus sub doesnt bother me at all.

same, although for the first time in my life I spent cash on a F2P game this month.  Path of Exile, the first game I have ever even thought of spending a dime.

There must be tons of us out there, that register, download, play 30 mins of a game and uninstall.  Thats how I have ended every single F2P MMO I have tried.  Runes of Magic, actually lasted the longest, a whole 2 days.  

Originally posted by DamonVile

Originally posted by Mardukk
Everyone seems to love P2P in this thread.  Do you still love the box price with the sub?  Or just a sub is enough P2P for you?  Just curious.  I don't feel that I'll ever do box price and sub together ever again, short of my dream game.

most of the ppl on this site don't play mmos anymore. They just come here to complain about them.

We play, just usually ends in disappointment the last 6 years or so, and the disappointment seems to happen at a quicker pace as those years have gone on it seems.

Some are decent, but flawed, nothing to keep you playing, besides mindless daily stuff that is limited to a set timer.

Looking forward to ArcheAge and EQNext, hopefully one of them, or both are done well.  Not too excited about EQNext being f2p, if they stick with that. 

Biggest change is that MMOs used to be worth Buying and Paying a sub, games these days arnt worth the money and thus F2P is getting huge, we honoestly shouldnt be encouraging this type of behavior.

A good game is worth Buying and Paying a subscription

Wel imo, people that p2p, feel obligated to play the game, where people that f2p dont.

And if they want to spend money on the game they will, so yeah i think that there r more fp2 then p2p gamers

Originally posted by Aerowyn
never bothered me to pay sub on games as $15 isn't much until you start talking about playing a couple games at once.. i'm happy at the shift more towards b2p/f2p although if I feel a game is worth it ill still pay a sub for it no problem.. don't get why people are so biased over payments models.. if game is fun for me ill play it don't care what the payment model is...

While $60 plus a sub is not going to go over well with the family budget, I'm sure I could find some room there to make it work (I remember being single and laughing at $60, not anymore lol).  I don't really have a steadfast postion either.  Just make a good game without a P2W cash shop and I'm happy.  I really don't understand how either side can be sooo excited about either approach.  I think a middle ground of sub no box or box no sub would be my prefered position.

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Wel imo, people that p2p, feel obligated to play the game, where people that f2p dont.

And if they want to spend money on the game they will, so yeah i think that there r more fp2 then p2p gamers

I dont feel obligated at all. If I like the game I sub if I dont then I cancel sub and let it run out. Im a HUGE HUGE warcraft lore nerd. I absolutely love the world but I dont feel obligated to play wow.

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Wel imo, people that p2p, feel obligated to play the game, where people that f2p dont.

Well that's not how I'm wired.

I pay the subscription to have access to the game when I want and can play. If I need to miss some days or a week then I still have access on the off chance I have some time.

If I don't play for a long while I can just stop the subscription. There must be others like this as well.

Oscar Wilde really was right:

We are each our own devil, and we make
This world our hell.

F2P'ers are lesser people.....obviously.  The games they play, more often than not, become wretched hives of scum and villainy.

/sarcasm off

Games that are F2P that i spent cash on

1. Perfect World -those wings i had to have

2 Vindictus- underwear (was needed in order to make female characters look half decent in armor)

3 Dragon nest - inventory slots

4 League of legend - skins

Keep in mind i played probably about 50 F2P mmorpgs during my time

Minus LOL all of those games 

Perfect World - 4 months

Vindictus - 2 months

Dragon nest -2 months

League was the only one worth the cash i spent..considering i played it for over 2 years now. The other games i feel like i got scammed outta a few bucks. You guys are right about F2P games as well...most of them are just time fillers and nothing more. I even think the games like tera and aion work that way too (minus the people who been with them from the transition).

Originally posted by Aerowyn
never bothered me to pay sub on games as $15 isn't much until you start talking about playing a couple games at once.. i'm happy at the shift more towards b2p/f2p although if I feel a game is worth it ill still pay a sub for it no problem.. don't get why people are so biased over payments models.. if game is fun for me ill play it don't care what the payment model is...

Hmm never thought of that argument before.  I should play Subscription based games because I am less likely to encounter people who play lots of games at the same time.

.... nah doesnt work they could always play the one subscription game and a dozen or more F2P games.

I've been playing several f2p games lately myself.  Lotro, AoW, EQ2, Vanguard, Tera, PS2, among others.  I've yet to spend a dime in any of them.  I don't feel any of them are worth it myself.  Now, if you include b2p games such as GW2 and TSW, I've spent the box cost plus a whopping $10 extra.  Bigger numbers do nto equal a bigger success imo.

I have subbed to a few games for a period of time and enjoyed my time in each.  (EQ1 ~ 6 yrs, WoW ~ 3 yrs, SWToR ~ 6 months)  That being said, there is currently no game woth subbing to at the moment.  Hopefully EQ Next, Archeage, Pathfinder, "Titan" will change that but who knows.

F2P is a business model that makes sense.

You are essentially lowering the barrier to entry to your game by only the 'download - install' which will have a wider appeal than the '$$$ first'.

Not surprizing that F2P made more money than subs / P2P.

Originally posted by craftseeker

Originally posted by Aerowyn
never bothered me to pay sub on games as $15 isn't much until you start talking about playing a couple games at once.. i'm happy at the shift more towards b2p/f2p although if I feel a game is worth it ill still pay a sub for it no problem.. don't get why people are so biased over payments models.. if game is fun for me ill play it don't care what the payment model is...

Hmm never thought of that argument before.  I should play Subscription based games because I am less likely to encounter people who play lots of games at the same time.

 

 

.... nah doesnt work they could always play the one subscription game and a dozen or more F2P games.

which is generally what i do.. but 10 years ago you didn't have the option of tons of f2p MMOs.. and i couldn't afford to play 3-4 sub games at once either so i picked the one or two  i enjoyed the most

Yep and is this because a large majority of MMO gamers are cheap bastards? Or is it actually because so many greedy and cluless companies jumped on the gravy train, released a spate of appaling MMORPGs, oversaturated the market, and pretty much destroyed the genre's value, credibility, and sank MMO customers confidence in one fell swoop?

Personally I see this trend  as not people swticing to wanting something for nothing. But instead being fed up with getting nothing for their money.

I am a true F2P player ^^ I haven't spent a dime in the games I play for free (though if the type 59 ever drops again in the market for a special event I may fork over the cash to Wargaming in order to buy it, have a love for chinese tanks). I also player EVE-Online on and off but the on and off factor is due to the fact I earn my game time via plexing, it's hard work but when I have the time and the inclination the game is bloody well worth it ^^.

Those said I gotta say "F2P is a revolving door! people don't stick around!" is a fallacy... people don't stick around in F2Ps because they A) did not find what they were looking for or/and B) they did not find a group to play with and this applies to B2P,F2P and P2P only that in B2P and P2P you kinda feel the need to justify the $$$ spent so you at least get your money's worth out of it (which for P2P usually means maxing endgame content and B2P could just mean playing for a few weeks).

F2P is the future, P2P is the past, get with it gents because every argument you could reasonably make against a F2P game with a balanced cash shop you can make against a P2P one as well only that the F2P game has more people playing it.

Originally posted by Dihoru

 

get with it gents because every argument you could reasonably make against a F2P game with a balanced cash shop you can make against a P2P one as well only that the F2P game has more people playing it.

I'm still waiting for such a F2P...