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  Lienhart

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2/27/13 8:50:19 AM#301
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  User Deleted
2/27/13 9:41:15 AM#302
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by CalmOceans

 

F2P MMO is a misnomer, they aren't free, they are limited access until you run into the cash grab known as a cash shop.

"but my MMO is really free because you don't have to........" PLEASE, I have played tens of F2P MMO, in every single one your enjoyment of the game is hindered if you don't pay money.

I am personally tired of F2P games, they are just scams pure ans simple.

If enjoyment for you means the end of the jorney not the journey itself (ex: playing tier 10 tanks in World of Tanks as opposed to playing any of the other tiers) then yes your enjoyment was hindered, but make no mistake that is your definition of the word as other people play a game because they want to enjoy it as a experience not for the endgame (in the same example: they like playing tier 5-6 tanks even if they aren't sometimes the top tank or even in the top 5 tanks within a certain match).

 

I am personally tired of P2P themepark games because they are scams pure and simple, they have no horizontal progression, only verticle and in this type of game they can keep you subbed and chugging away at content for as long as they can keep up with your content needs (which depending on the difficulty could very well be possible).

The lack of horizontal progression in themepark games isn't a P2P vs F2P thing.  That's for another discussion though.

But how can you call it a scam?  You pay $15 a month, they give you access to their game.  Everybody gets what they want.  You're under no obligation to continue paying or to subscribte in the first place.  If you're beating the content faster than they can release it then quit.  Just because you don't like the payment model doesn't make it a scam.

It's a scam because it's a Skinner's box, and a damn poor one but if it had horizontal progression then they'd at least have to have had a better box for you, ergo scam, back in ultima online's day you paid 10-15$ for access to a virtual world, nowadays you pay to access a game and a piss poor one with skinner's reward system to make you feel that somehow it's worth it.

  just1opinion

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2/27/13 9:51:56 AM#303
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

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  Ghavrigg

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2/27/13 9:57:19 AM#304
Obvious thread is obvious. Of course there's gonna be more people who'll hang around for free instead of having to pay. That's just how people are.
  Loktofeit

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2/27/13 12:55:24 PM#305
Originally posted by Scot

Point out the F2P MMO which is making the money a subscription game can. I did not say F2P cannot fund a MMO, but can anyone here tell us of a F2P MMO that is making the money a sub game does?

  • Maple Story
  • Combat Arms
  • Vindictus
  • Habbo Hotel

There are probably more F2P MMOs "making the money a subscription game can" than there are subscription games doing so. That's not including the sub games that weren't doing so well as subs but turned profitable once they went free to play. (ex: TSW, DDO)

Gamers1st(previously K2 Networks) and Nexon have been rolling in cash for years now, while most subscription MMO devs are trying to figure out how to keep the lights on... usually solving that by going free to play. :)

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  birdycephon

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2/27/13 1:03:16 PM#306
Face it, the majority of the people rooting for f2p are just too cheap to pay a sub, and have diluted themselves into thinking they are entiled to it.
  Cecropia

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2/27/13 1:05:19 PM#307
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

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  VengeSunsoar

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2/27/13 1:11:53 PM#308
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

 Not at all.  IMO most sub based games just aren't worth it.  They don't provide me much enjoyment at least not more than the f2p ones. 

As far as you get what you pay for, there are numerous examples of things that are increasing in costs and provide less value for hte same amount of money spent.  Health care, taxes just to name a couple.

edit - and once again, since many people believe that a f2p can cost more, well then according that principle it must be better.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Cecropia

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2/27/13 1:15:55 PM#309
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

 Not at all.  IMO most sub based games just aren't worth it.  They don't provide me much enjoyment at least not more than the f2p ones. 

As far as you get what you pay for, there are numerous examples of things that are increasing in costs and provide less value for hte same amount of money spent.  Health care, taxes just to name a couple.

You can convince yourself into believing whatever the heck you want to, I however, will continue to use common sense and logic as I have always done.

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"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  User Deleted
2/27/13 1:19:10 PM#310
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

 Not at all.  IMO most sub based games just aren't worth it.  They don't provide me much enjoyment at least not more than the f2p ones. 

As far as you get what you pay for, there are numerous examples of things that are increasing in costs and provide less value for hte same amount of money spent.  Health care, taxes just to name a couple.

You can convince yourself into believing whatever the heck you want to, I however, will continue to use common sense and non-logic as I have always done.

Which explains why things are going to Hell in a waste basket.

  RefMinor

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2/27/13 1:19:52 PM#311
I would rather play FarmVille than Skyrim, I can't see why MMOs would be any different :-)
  User Deleted
2/27/13 1:25:55 PM#312
Originally posted by RefMinor
I would rather play FarmVille than Skyrim, I can't see why MMOs would be any different :-)

I'd rather play Maplestory rather than WoW.

  VengeSunsoar

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2/27/13 1:28:15 PM#313
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Fearum
Who cares. I would rather play with a smaller tight knit population than a huge on the go population of passer through players. I will not play F2P games.

 

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

 Not at all.  IMO most sub based games just aren't worth it.  They don't provide me much enjoyment at least not more than the f2p ones. 

As far as you get what you pay for, there are numerous examples of things that are increasing in costs and provide less value for hte same amount of money spent.  Health care, taxes just to name a couple.

You can convince yourself into believing whatever the heck you want to, I however, will continue to use common sense and logic as I have always done.

 You can convince yourself into believing whatever the heck you want to, I however, will continue to use common sense and logic as I have always done.

edit - there are no universal truths.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  twrule

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2/27/13 1:42:00 PM#314
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by just1opinion

Ditto.  I think most f2p games are borderline sucky anyway. They generally feel cheap. I prefer buy to play or better yet......pay to play.  After all, you get what you pay for.

No matter how much bickering back and forth, this is what it all comes down to. It's a universal truth that is constant.

If anyone genuinely thinks this is the case, please forward the necessary information to access your life savings to me; you can tell me afterward whether the wisdom you've gained in return was worth what you paid :).

  h0urg1ass

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2/27/13 1:44:03 PM#315

This just in!  People would rather not pay for something than pay for it!  News at 11!

 

What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community.  In most F2P games the community is completely garbage.  I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.

  nariusseldon

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OP  2/27/13 1:46:51 PM#316
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community.  In most F2P games the community is completely garbage.  I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.

Not everyone plays games for community.

And if the "demanding" is successful, more power to them.

  VengeSunsoar

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2/27/13 1:52:10 PM#317
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

This just in!  People would rather not pay for something than pay for it!  News at 11!

 

What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community.  In most F2P games the community is completely garbage.  I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.

 IMO the community is the same in p2p games.  If p2p was the barrier that people stated that guarantees a good community than WoW would have a good community, it doesn't therefore the payment model has little if anything to do with community.

The only thing it might do is create a bigger community and bigger communities tend to be more crappy.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  birdycephon

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2/27/13 1:58:49 PM#318
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

This just in!  People would rather not pay for something than pay for it!  News at 11!

 

What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community.  In most F2P games the community is completely garbage.  I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.

 IMO the community is the same in p2p games.  If p2p was the barrier that people stated that guarantees a good community than WoW would have a good community, it doesn't therefore the payment model has little if anything to do with community.

The only thing it might do is create a bigger community and bigger communities tend to be more crappy.

I garantee the moment they implement something like RealID, the comunity will improve drastically.

  User Deleted
2/27/13 2:00:20 PM#319
Originally posted by birdycephon
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by h0urg1ass

This just in!  People would rather not pay for something than pay for it!  News at 11!

 

What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community.  In most F2P games the community is completely garbage.  I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.

 IMO the community is the same in p2p games.  If p2p was the barrier that people stated that guarantees a good community than WoW would have a good community, it doesn't therefore the payment model has little if anything to do with community.

The only thing it might do is create a bigger community and bigger communities tend to be more crappy.

I garantee the moment they implement something like RealID, the comunity will improve drastically.

Or darwinism becomes more prevalent as more interviewers enjoy "delightful" reads on forums XD

  h0urg1ass

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2/27/13 2:12:05 PM#320

F2P is a misnomer anyhow.  I haven't come across a single "F2P" game yet, that wasn't really just "Twist your arm until you pay".   It's all wolves in sheeps clothing. 

They get you in the door with "Hey, man, it's free, sure you don't want to try it?  Come on, get in the van, you'll love it". 

Then you get in the van and they're like, "Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you, only the first five minutes is free, if you want anything else, you'll have to pay"

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