i mean the basics are not even known with this game, and i think they just had a few failed kickstarter attempts...like didnt even come relativly close.

It seems this game isnt anywhere near complete, and with the kickstater ending way below target, i have to wonder what exactly their financial status is and how that will effect the game and its development.

Seemed interesting based on what i know, and mainly its that they opted to use 3d textures on everything rather than the standard 2d painted objects that gave the illusion of being 3d like in just about every other game out there.

As far as game systems go...i dont think really any hard info is avalible...not sure if its just a testbed for the technology they are supposidly working on..or just some artwork and a partial engine at this point.

certainly some info would be appreciated on the game, however i dont think were going to see any launch of an alpha/beta or a launch schedule anytime soon.

Thnks for the info. I just hope those guys really make it happen. They risked alot to create something unique in the mmorpg's standards .What they r trying to create is making even brand names like wow,gw2 etc seem like a joke in concept and potential terms.

Alone the fact they created a whole planet with climatic changes and staff and loads of other things other mmos cant even dream to have in their game seems frikin impressive.Anwy i lll keep an eye on it.

Mind you all those bland games you mention thought they were doing something unique too...or at least made the community believe they were.

For all we know this could be just another with a twist.

And i think this is sort of the problem with there being a huge lack of detailed info.

Can you tell me what exactly is going to make this game unique and different?  Mind you a LOT of developers have stated in the past about ambitious fluff features that never make it in the game, or turn out to be overblown so much that the feature is barely noticable ect.

I think if these guys gave real specific systems and mechanics, in detailed information, stuff like the kickstarter may not have failed.  I mean look at pathfinder...they got super specific, didnt have anything to show, but stated clearly what they were going to do to get the game finished, which sounded realistic, and their kickstarter was a big success.  People will support a game like this with specific info as to what they can expect...

I wish these guys the best of luck, but ive been around the block far too many times with indy developers who promise the world and seem to have an issue getting specific...i mean even ones that were specific about their systems early on...well execution seems to be the big factor always isnt it?

For all i know their world creating system is just a bunch of instances.  Which i guess could be made to sound unique but has the very real possibility of seeming the same when executed in a live game enviroment ect.

Originally posted by Crunchy222

Mind you all those bland games you mention thought they were doing something unique too...or at least made the community believe they were.

For all we know this could be just another with a twist.

 

And i think this is sort of the problem with there being a huge lack of detailed info.

 

Can you tell me what exactly is going to make this game unique and different?  Mind you a LOT of developers have stated in the past about ambitious fluff features that never make it in the game, or turn out to be overblown so much that the feature is barely noticable ect.

I think if these guys gave real specific systems and mechanics, in detailed information, stuff like the kickstarter may not have failed.  I mean look at pathfinder...they got super specific, didnt have anything to show, but stated clearly what they were going to do to get the game finished, which sounded realistic, and their kickstarter was a big success.  People will support a game like this with specific info as to what they can expect...

I wish these guys the best of luck, but ive been around the block far too many times with indy developers who promise the world and seem to have an issue getting specific...i mean even ones that were specific about their systems early on...well execution seems to be the big factor always isnt it?

 

For all i know their world creating system is just a bunch of instances.  Which i guess could be made to sound unique but has the very real possibility of seeming the same when executed in a live game enviroment ect.

 

 

None knows if they will manage to keep in the final version every thing they showed in their videos. I dont think any upcoming game need s hyping. We ve seen too many failures so far.

I just think they deserve a good word for what they are trying to pull off and especially some innovative features they worked with like quests dying once and for all mobs etc etc .Once again everything is speculation till and if they manage to launch it.

Actually, we have released all kinds of specific information on our official forums, where we answer questions constantly by players.  www.citadelofsorcery.com

There are also several videos on the game you can watch on Youtube, including a technical briefing on some of the technology to build the world (it's kind of dry, but if you want specifics, there you go).

There are also less technical videos on other aspects of the game, all done by various people working on the project, just search on Citadel of Sorcery and make sure you expand to all ten videos.

So there you go, a place to go get lots of detailed information:

http://www.citadelofsorcery.com/forums

or...

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCitadelofSorcery/videos?sort=dd&tag_id=&view=0

Originally posted by Jatar

Actually, we have released all kinds of specific information on our official forums, where we answer questions constantly by players.  www.citadelofsorcery.com

There are also several videos on the game you can watch on Youtube, including a technical briefing on some of the technology to build the world (it's kind of dry, but if you want specifics, there you go).

There are also less technical videos on other aspects of the game, all done by various people working on the project, just search on Citadel of Sorcery and make sure you expand to all ten videos.

So there you go, a place to go get lots of detailed information:

http://www.citadelofsorcery.com/forums

or...

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCitadelofSorcery/videos?sort=dd&tag_id=&view=0

 

Excelent.  I shall wander your links and hope to get a better idea of the game.

FYI...you should come here and post new info as links (or have one of your grunts do it)  Just makes it easier to keep up with the many in-development games i and others follow.

Edit: Oh, ive seen all this, and wading through the forums is not my specialty.  Was hoping for some recent specifics on game mechanics and systems not just a general overview of what your doing.

I mean i get the basic and vauge overview of the game, and it sounds good, just its the specifics that i and others are really looking for...like the exacts on how your systems are going to be implimented and played by the player. 

For instance.  The multiple reality worlds, which is something i kind of invented to describe what your doing with the game, seems interesting...or seems like just seperate solo and multiplayer instances...specifics help with that.

Combat?  Big factor, i havent been able to find (easily) much on this.

The giant growing world that seems to be too large and complex to be realistic, the complext semi-voxle graphics (all sound wonderful and i got a system that will munch those textures up and cant wait to see it all) perhaps some info on how exactly you plan to dish out this world (are we talking seamless loads as you approach a new zone...is it even zoned?) might give people a better idea as to how realistic its going to be on their system.

I see on the forums its going to possibly be divided up between f2p worlds and p2p worlds...which i dont mind...untill it becomes and issue dealing with a small playerbase ect, more info on this would be welcomed.

Also, if you guys are not final on the systems...just say so.  It seems like you put  a lot of work, and quality into your videos, which stands to make me belive the same will go for the game....but ive said it before...many have been down this road before and i cant recall a single time its worked down the road.  If the game is years away from a launch dont be afraid to say so.  People like honesty with indy games not inflated expectations and deadlines that wont be met...as many..if not all indy games seem to do.

Anything to help overcome this doubt is more than welcome.

Perhaps a nice webpage with specific systems broken down bullet point style with what you want, what you expect to have and what is already final for being in the game will help this all.  Looking through the forum i have to dig for a developer or staff response and even then its vauge...which leads me to belive theres still a ton of work and time needed yet...which is fine.

Originally posted by Crunchy222

Originally posted by Jatar

Actually, we have released all kinds of specific information on our official forums, where we answer questions constantly by players.  www.citadelofsorcery.com

There are also several videos on the game you can watch on Youtube, including a technical briefing on some of the technology to build the world (it's kind of dry, but if you want specifics, there you go).

There are also less technical videos on other aspects of the game, all done by various people working on the project, just search on Citadel of Sorcery and make sure you expand to all ten videos.

So there you go, a place to go get lots of detailed information:

http://www.citadelofsorcery.com/forums

or...

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCitadelofSorcery/videos?sort=dd&tag_id=&view=0

 

Excelent.  I shall wander your links and hope to get a better idea of the game.

FYI...you should come here and post new info as links (or have one of your grunts do it)  Just makes it easier to keep up with the many in-development games i and others follow.

Edit: Oh, ive seen all this, and wading through the forums is not my specialty.  Was hoping for some recent specifics on game mechanics and systems not just a general overview of what your doing.

 I mean i get the basic and vauge overview of the game, and it sounds good, just its the specifics that i and others

are really looking for...like the exacts on how your systems are going to be implimented and played by the player. 

 

The forums provide an immense amount of detail about almost every mechanic in the game. The number of skills, how they are divided, how the questing system works...almost anything you want to know about it. Posting years of forum questions and responses here would take up far too much space. If you go to the forums and register, and then ask any questions you want to ask - the community is very helpful and will link previous responses to you or answer you if the question hasn't been answered. Suffice to say, the information is out there.

For instance.  The multiple reality worlds, which is something i kind of invented to describe what your doing with the game, seems interesting...or seems like just seperate solo and multiplayer instances...specifics help with that.

This information has been reviewed in great detail - Community Reflected Worlds, Story Reflected Worlds, Questing and Adventures...here is just one of many threads: http://citadelofsorcery.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2101&hilit=instances&sid=712c5d8fed27671ed5754b2d79fb0b9b

However, for a summary on Reflected Worlds you can also go here: (scroll down a little) http://citadelofsorcery.com/faq/overview

Combat?  Big factor, i havent been able to find (easily) much on this.

If you want a quick summary of combat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfqwf9kYfs8

If you want more details about Combat, go to the forums and ask anything you want to know. The devs will answer you (if they can).

The giant growing world that seems to be too large and complex to be realistic, the complext semi-voxle graphics (all sound wonderful and i got a system that will munch those textures up and cant wait to see it all) perhaps some info on how exactly you plan to dish out this world (are we talking seamless loads as you approach a new zone...is it even zoned?) might give people a better idea as to how realistic its going to be on their system.

This question is addressed almost entirely in the YouTube video about the world. In fact, several of the YouTube videos address this and how the content will be created. There is no zoning, and all loading is done on the fly. If you want the technical version of how this is possible, you can watch this video  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5XWRdHCok

I see on the forums its going to possibly be divided up between f2p worlds and p2p worlds...which i dont mind...untill it becomes and issue dealing with a small playerbase ect, more info on this would be welcomed.

This is not true, and again there is a lot of information on this on the forums  where it is discussed in far more detail, (Here: 

http://citadelofsorcery.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=377&hilit=payment&sid=712c5d8fed27671ed5754b2d79fb0b9b)

but for a brief summary you can read the bottom of this page under Payment Systems and New Server Technology: 

http://citadelofsorcery.com/faq/new-technology

Also, if you guys are not final on the systems...just say so.  It seems like you put  a lot of work, and quality into your videos, which stands to make me belive the same will go for the game....but ive said it before...many have been down this road before and i cant recall a single time its worked down the road.  If the game is years away from a launch dont be afraid to say so.  People like honesty with indy games not inflated expectations and deadlines that wont be met...as many..if not all indy games seem to do.

Anything to help overcome this doubt is more than welcome.

The devs are very responsive to any questions, and have committed to not putting anything down publicly that they will not fulfill 100%. That is why some questions remain a bit unanswered - like a release date for Alpha or Beta. This is 100% based on funding. Right now they are self-funded, but if a publisher enters the picture you might get a more specific date. All they have stated recently is that they are working toward an Extreme Demo to give more proof of concept for skeptics.

 

Perhaps a nice webpage with specific systems broken down bullet point style with what you want, what you expect to have and what is already final for being in the game will help this all.  Looking through the forum i have to dig for a developer or staff response and even then its vauge...which leads me to belive theres still a ton of work and time needed yet...which is fine.

 There really isn't a way to do this with a game as detailed as CoS. The game design document would be the size of a large novel.

 There are some bullet points on the website in a few places:

http://citadelofsorcery.com/faq

http://citadelofsorcery.com/about/asked-and-answered

http://citadelofsorcery.com/about/a-note-from-the-team

The last thing I will say is this - if you are skeptical, have questions, or want to know more about something - and you don't want to watch videos or read through years of forum posts - Just go to their forums and ask. The devs are really busy making the game and probably won't take too much time to go to different game sites and answer questions. They will, however, almost always answer on their own boards.

 

 

I think the point was, any information on the games specifics needs to be hunted for with great effort.  Most people are not going to go on the game forums and search through all the various threads looking for bits and pieces of info.

The actual website does not present detailed descriptions of any system, at all. 

I think for a game that had failed a kickstart, perhaps its time to lay out exactly what is being done as far as systems, combat, and mechanics of the game in plain sight on the website.  It might generate more interest.  It seems the interest in this game is held by a very small niche crowd thats very tied into the developers.  The rest of us normal gamers, will pop on the website.  See claims of revolutionary this and groundbreaking that...and nothing more into it, and move on, perhaps waiting for more info to come out.

If, as the above poster claims, all this info i and others are looking for is there, it needs to be present in a manner that people passing by to see what the game is about can see it.  Most wont hunt the forums searching for the odd develoeper post that may mention some bits of info they were looking for.

I mean, you dont have to, you can keep doing things as is.  Im not going to lie the game sounds interesting, however it seems there is a problem with getting this word out and gathering more than a niche interest in the game...

Heres an example of website info that was suggested here, related to combat "The combat system in CoS is very unique, with new innovations in how players work together. Our user interface anticipates options that the player wants so that they don’t have to search through large amounts of icons for what they need. This is important because players are able to fully customize their characters by choosing from any of 1890 unique Abilities. (See "Characters")"

It then goes into a paragraph on AI being awesome.

Cool...is it tab target, is it action combat, how does magic and melee and range attack work, any combo system or unique combat mechanic?

I see unique and innovation...but it ends there.  Thats the complaint.  Tell us whats innovative unique and groundbreaking or it just sound like the same hype we here over and over again.

This is true for the other knowledege base categories.  Its paper thin on info and chalked full of buzzwords.  Weve all see this before

Originally posted by tazarconan

What they r trying to create is making even brand names like wow,gw2 etc seem like a joke in concept and potential terms.

That statement is the reason AAA devs know they can rake in cash on pre-orders, collectors and founders packages. Most MMO gamers don't seem to be able to tell the difference between wishlists and reality.

@tazerconan: most of the wide-eyed and wonderful ideas people post here can "make even brand names like wow,gw2 etc seem like a joke in concept and potential terms."

Now, before I get the usual "we have secrets and they work" crap from some CoS staffer, I'm not saying your ideas will or won't work. My post was highlighting that MMO gamers will not only put "want to do" on the same scale as "has completed" but they will buy into "want to do" as if it was already completed.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by tazarconan

What they r trying to create is making even brand names like wow,gw2 etc seem like a joke in concept and potential terms.

That statement is the reason AAA devs know they can rake in cash on pre-orders, collectors and founders packages. Most MMO gamers don't seem to be able to tell the difference between wishlists and reality.

@tazerconan: most of the wide-eyed and wonderful ideas people post here can "make even brand names like wow,gw2 etc seem like a joke in concept and potential terms."

Now, before I get the usual "we have secrets and they work" crap from some CoS staffer, I'm not saying your ideas will or won't work. My post was highlighting that MMO gamers will not only put "want to do" on the same scale as "has completed" but they will buy into "want to do" as if it was already completed.

 

The cool thing is - almost everything that CoS has said they want to do (publicly) has been completed. They have created a world that is 900 million square kilometers, they have developed (and shown to the public via their Patron Team) a fully working city (The Citadel) with over 500 NPC's who are walking around and living their lives - going to work, play, sleep in their own beds. And they aren't repeating each day - they are literally making choices about where they want to go. They have developed the tools to create all of their massive quests with endless possibilities. All of this has been shown to people outside of the team through various means - as raffle prizes, or as rewards for people who have backed the game. They are now very close to their first demo thanks to the support of the community.

I know I sound like a fan boy...and maybe I am...but when you lurk on those forums for years and watch things slowly unfold, its hard not to feel the passion of that team seeping out. I've read all of the blog posts, dev updates, and most all of the forum threads - and you can actually see the progress the team has made over the years.

Put into perspective - a new cookie cutter MMO takes a couple hundred people and about 3-5 years to make. They have been working on this for 8 years, with anywhere from 10-40 people actively working on the project at a given time. That seems pretty reasonable for a game of this magnitude. Of course, we'll know even more in a few months when they have a demo ready.

Originally posted by Margulis
I'll be about as surprised if this game gets released as if Grimoire ever gets released.

This game is getting released. These people have put years of their life into this project. No way in hell its not getting released.