Originally posted by Ehllfhire

Originally posted by Alberel
Anyone voting 'that ship is burned beyond recognition' clearly hasn't read anything about the changes made to the game. The rerelease is essentially a new game and there is no way anyone could yet know the quality of those changes... It really bugs me when people pass judgement without reading anything about it.

You clearly werent burned by SE and XIV

Oh believe me I was, but I have the ability to read the changes made and I recognise that they have made vast improvements. You understand that a new producer and director made the rerelease right? He has a different vision and has overhauled the ENTIRE game's systems. Not a single thing remains unchanged. They're even on an entirely different engine.

This is a different game to the original XIV release, hence the title change.

Too many people like yourself seem to just think they're repackaging the same game. Do a bit of research and read what's been changed. They have specific details on a lot of things, and the impressions from the press event last week have all been positive.

Originally posted by Alberel

Originally posted by Ehllfhire

Originally posted by Alberel
Anyone voting 'that ship is burned beyond recognition' clearly hasn't read anything about the changes made to the game. The rerelease is essentially a new game and there is no way anyone could yet know the quality of those changes... It really bugs me when people pass judgement without reading anything about it.

You clearly werent burned by SE and XIV

Oh believe me I was, but I have the ability to read the changes made and I recognise that they have made vast improvements. You understand that a new producer and director made the rerelease right? He has a different vision and has overhauled the ENTIRE game's systems. Not a single thing remains unchanged. They're even on an entirely different engine.

This is a different game to the original XIV release, hence the title change.

Too many people like yourself seem to just think they're repackaging the same game. Do a bit of research and read what's been changed. They have specific details on a lot of things, and the impressions from the press event last week have all been positive.

Research means nothing without having it in hand to try. All research gives me is Dev talk and hype. I will not believe a word of any game producer, as all their projects are AAA wow busters

Originally posted by Ehllfhire

 

This is an unrealistic expectation and may be logistically impossible to adhere to.  There were many, many people who bought the original game.  The scope of the first test probably didn't need that much people, as only a few servers are being used.  In addition, those who originally bought that game got the game they bought in addition to 12 plus months of subscriptionless gameplay.  Indeed, it goes without saying that they had ample time to get Legacy Status by simply subscribing for 3 months when the game was finally worth subscribing to at the rate of $9/mo.  It was said many times, for over a year, that Legacy would get specific things and that more benefits would be forthcoming for their loyalting and unwavering support that pushed the development team to make the best version 1.0 game updates and future 2.0 game they could.

Version 1.0 became a decent game over time, and it has tons of story and things to do.

 

I tried to stay but the game was so awfully boring and dead. There was no way in hell Id have paid any money for it.

Then that was a concious choice to not use the free additional month they gave after saying they thought the game was good enough to be subscribed to at $9 per month.  The Grand Company storyline and Dalamund was a great addition to the game.  Most of the people started gathering in Ul'dah as that became the social hub of the game.  If you looked in the other city-states they were probably barren as you have said.  Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from.  You've been burned by a company that you trusted would bring you an experience similar to that of FFXI.  They failed horribly, and for that Yoshi-P and his team have apologized over and over again.  They didn't work on the old version, but they flat out admitted it was bad and that the last team didn't even try.  Since then he said he convinced Square Enix to sink enormous amounts of money to remake the game, get a development team that was roughly 10 times the size of the last, and worry about making a good game rather than how much it would cost; his reason was that they had to treat the MMO genre as something seriously, and the last effort was horrible and pompous.

Since he took over the game took a new direction.  The world map was no longer a maze (you could climb and fall down small and medium cliffs), there was no fatigue, auto-attack was added, new ways to get TP added, no longer limited by a attack drain bar, increased responsiveness of attacks... 30+ hours of new cutscenes, the sky dome changing with each patch as a meteor got closer... tons of stories and new quests, improving behests, etc.  They even implemented old FFXI classes with class quests and AF armor.

It was truly a different game.

Originally posted by Ehllfhire

 

Research means nothing without having it in hand to try. All research gives me is Dev talk and hype. I will not believe a word of any game producer, as all their projects are AAA wow busters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7kO8BTZDU

Here's pure gameplay by the devs as they answer questions about the gamepad.

Towards the end they show a little unedited combat, as well as explain things such as movement and ease of use.

The engine is completely new, the graphics are remade or redone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0CPRyV7yNw&list=UUpx2BZg8ABgaDV50sGJtWAg

This one shows both PC and PS3 versions (PS3 is not optimized).  It shows you how dramatically different each area is.  You probably won't even recognize Limsa Lominsa or the lands outside of Ul'dah.

Lastly, here is the benchmark, which is all in game actions taken at unique camera angles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP3QJQ0bd-U&list=UUpx2BZg8ABgaDV50sGJtWAg&index=1

Originally posted by Ehllfhire

Originally posted by Yaevindusk

Originally posted by Ehllfhire

Only if it released F2p. I spent ~120 dollars on that last POS, they didnt give me a beta invite so they can choke on a .....

I feel really burned about it. plus I have legacy friends in the alpha who said they made it into a WoW clone now.

 

You shouldn't trust someone who both breaks their NDA and judges a game that probably had less than 1% of the total systems in place.  Also, not getting into a beta where hundreds of thousands of people apply should not make one angry at the company; the fact that the game originally sucked should, but at the same time the new producer and team have been doing a fabulous job.

Who cares if they break NDA to family members? The fact I spent a lot of money, they should guarantee all who had a founders account into beta 1 not open beta

You know anyone who bought the original gets into beta 3 (and open beta 4), gets the new game for free and gets a free 30 days right?

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

 

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

yes.. not sure why that would be suprising several companies run multiple MMOs

I have learned to wait for a trial.  If a game company doesn't stand behind it's game enough to give potential new players a glimps into the game then I generally feel it's probably not going to last that long.

That's not to say I haven't blindly purchased games, just sayin the vast majority of games, including single player games, I've waited.  Found myself saving alot of money.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

 

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

yes.. not sure why that would be suprising several companies run multiple MMOs

Yes but not multiple MMOs that takes place in the same universe.

Most recent examples are SW:TOR and GW2. Both shut down their predecessor.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

11 and 14 are MMOs,  all the others are single player RPGs.. 11 is still running

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

 

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

yes.. not sure why that would be suprising several companies run multiple MMOs

 

Yes but not multiple MMOs that takes place in the same universe.

Most recent examples are SW:TOR and GW2. Both shut down their predecessor.

gw1 is still alive and well.. eq1 and eq2 been running for years.. swtor is in no way shape or form swg predecessor:P

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

 

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

yes.. not sure why that would be suprising several companies run multiple MMOs

 

Yes but not multiple MMOs that takes place in the same universe.

Most recent examples are SW:TOR and GW2. Both shut down their predecessor.

gw1 is still alive and well.. eq1 and eq2 been running for years.. swtor is in no way shape or form swg predecessor:P

I must be very misinformed about the facts.

Still feels strange but well, it doesn't matter.  Hopefully they at least shutdown the original XIV and give the XIV players a chance to get in the new one for a low price, if not free. Considering it's a remake (fix?)

Not that it matters for me, but having population spread over 3 games sounds a bit strange and stupid.

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Arterith

Originally posted by jazz.be

How many Final Fantasy titles have been released the last decade?

I haven't played any of them. So this time I might just jump into it.

 

But I wonder why they keep releasing new titles, do they kill the previous ones? Or do they just die?

I don't understand.

Just to answer your question, most FFs are console single player games, only 2 of them (XI and XIV) are mmorpgs, XI is still ongoing and have been having updates and all, with a decent player base but since the graphics and gameplay is quite outdated, it isn't that appealing to the modern gamers community.

 

FFXIV, was released some years ago, it wasn't a successful release, there were of things that could be better for the gameplay, the UI was also slow and confussing, so a new developer team took over and did their best to fix most of the big issues, the game got better after that, fighter battle system and faster UI, plus other additions, but still it seems that there was just so much they could do, so instead of trying to fix it, it was easier for them to remake it and that is where "A Realm Reborn" comes in.

FFXIV:ARR is a improved FFXIV in many was, they use a different graphic engine ( less demanding for the PC min. requierements), the battle system got also a big improvement and things just seem to be better...there isnt a whole lot of information about it now since it is still on Alpha/Beta testing and because of the NDA, no official reviews have been made about every single feature the new version will have.

 

That's very clear to me, thanks for taking the time to explain the story.

Will they keep XI and XIV alive after launch, have they said anything? It might impact population.

Edit: nevermind XIV, I guess XIV:ARR will replace the original XIV.

And so they have been running two FF MMO's simultaniously? XI and XIV?

yes.. not sure why that would be suprising several companies run multiple MMOs

 

Yes but not multiple MMOs that takes place in the same universe.

Most recent examples are SW:TOR and GW2. Both shut down their predecessor.

gw1 is still alive and well.. eq1 and eq2 been running for years.. swtor is in no way shape or form swg predecessor:P

I must be very misinformed about the facts.

Still feels strange but well, it doesn't matter.  Hopefully they at least shutdown the original XIV and give the XIV players a chance to get in the new one for a low price, if not free. Considering it's a remake (fix?)

Not that it matters for me, but having population spread over 3 games sounds a bit strange and stupid.

original FFXIV has been shut down for a few now... RR is replacing it completely

Originally posted by BadSpock
This might be the one upcoming MMO with a chance of retaining my interest.

+1

+1

+1

Originally posted by Aerowyn
if i don't get into beta and there is no open beta ill probably wait till more footage and reviews are out to see...

No reason to retype what has already been said.  My feelings exactly.

Eh... I'm leaning on No though its due to my tainted view having played before original launch and then my bias due to FFXI. I never liked how they handled classes in F14, loving 11 for the fact it made classes feel unique and it made the experience so much better. The whole weapon system really made me so 'meh' to it and just kinda turned me off a lot, taking away from what was in my opinion one of the best class systems in an MMo.

Still the changes itself sort of interest me though its not really all that much to spark me to buy it. I rather have a chance to really try it out before I'd dedicate to buying a game with a monthly fee,  hopefully not having to wait for a free trial and being able to test it.

Originally posted by sumdumguy1

Originally posted by Aerowyn
if i don't get into beta and there is no open beta ill probably wait till more footage and reviews are out to see...

No reason to retype what has already been said.  My feelings exactly.

Beta stage 4 will be an open beta.