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  User Deleted
2/17/13 10:47:25 PM#21
Originally posted by Lienhart

I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world.

Anyone else ever feel the same way?

All hobbies are a waste of time. What do you have to show from your new hobbie? A few photographs perhaps? Some memorabilia? All of that means nothing to people who don't share your enthusiasm. The same can be said about MMOs, you have stuff to show for it, but only those with the same interest will appreciate it.

At the end of the day it is about enjoyment. If you enjoyed your time, then your time wasn't wasted.

  Jakdstripper

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2/17/13 10:48:08 PM#22
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 

And exactly what are you getting out of your track days besides tire and brake bills?  Enjoyment.  You're not "Getting" anything except maybe a trophy, thats the only tangible difference, otherwise, its enjoyment, and possibly respect from your group of enthusiasts.

Unless you have a hobby that makes you more physically fit, increases your scholastic knowledge, or creates things, i.e. building boats or carving wood or ships in a bottle, than all you get out of any leisure activity is enjoyment.  So, moot point is moot.

pretty much.

if you are having fun how is that time wasted?  some people would say driving a car in circles is a huge waste of time, and money......

  dotdotdash

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2/17/13 10:48:49 PM#23

Great games are well worth playing. Like any art form, gaming has some brilliant gems to offer.

Not one of those gems is an MMO.

Like the OP, I found myself lamenting the amount of time I invested in MMOs when I was a kid. Now I'm a young adult, I spend the vast majority of my time doing things that I consider far more worthwhile, things that offer a tangible benefit where gaming does not.

That does not mean I will stop playing games, and it also does not mean that I think people who play games are silly. I do think that anyone who exclusively plays games as a hobby could do with a "reality check" (or two, or three, or four), but they're entitled to make that mistake if they want. It doesn't bother me, or impact me, at all.

  Isawa

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2/17/13 10:49:22 PM#24
Originally posted by Lienhart
Originally posted by Eluldor
Originally posted by Lienhart
Originally posted by vindir
I suppose the same slap in the face coudl be applied for anyone who spends countless hours of  T.V, movies, facebook, etc. At least with gaming (or mmo's in this case) I can gain problem sovling, learn and apply basic monetary lessons, hand-to-eye coordination, develop social skills, time managment, team work skills and probebly some other somewhat (if not useful) cerebral skills that can be applied to real world scenarios.

No....just no.....

Get out a little bit more and you'll understand what I mean. You have some valid points but to throw Facebook, development of social skills, time management and team work skills into there...just hell no (and I'd argue against hte monetary lessons but I can see how that would work).

No to this. Voice chat and teamwork skills have all sorts or relevance in gaming and "outside". Why else would military run testing of capabilities this way, one of few examples. Social skills and time management can play a role as well. Telling people to go outside is a pretty lame.

...when's the last time you met somebody that was cool to chill with on a video game? My experiences have ALL been negative, leading to a separation between my social life and MMO habits.

Actually I've never met anyone in an MMORPG and then met them in real life (assuming that cool to chill with means in RL). I've met plenty of people in RL that play games as a hobby though, and I've met plenty of people in game that are fun to play with in game. I've also met a good share of ignores :)

Lots of people I meet in MMORPGs are from other countries, so I can find something interesting and informative from them for that reason alone. Depending on what they do etc, some may be more interesting than others. Like folks who only play games with no other hobbies aren't that interesting.

I am about even or more likely to find an MMO gamer chill than some people who hang out where I do other hobbies like the gym or beach.

  User Deleted
2/17/13 10:52:24 PM#25
Originally posted by Lienhart
Originally posted by Eluldor
Originally posted by Lienhart
Originally posted by vindir
I suppose the same slap in the face coudl be applied for anyone who spends countless hours of  T.V, movies, facebook, etc. At least with gaming (or mmo's in this case) I can gain problem sovling, learn and apply basic monetary lessons, hand-to-eye coordination, develop social skills, time managment, team work skills and probebly some other somewhat (if not useful) cerebral skills that can be applied to real world scenarios.

No....just no.....

Get out a little bit more and you'll understand what I mean. You have some valid points but to throw Facebook, development of social skills, time management and team work skills into there...just hell no (and I'd argue against hte monetary lessons but I can see how that would work).

 

No to this. Voice chat and teamwork skills have all sorts or relevance in gaming and "outside". Why else would military run testing of capabilities this way, one of few examples. Social skills and time management can play a role as well. Telling people to go outside is a pretty lame.

...when's the last time you met somebody that was cool to chill with on a video game? My experiences have ALL been negative, leading to a separation between my social life and MMO habits.

I met quite a lot of cool people in my hometown from playing Everquest 2 actually. Some of them are still very good friends to this day, and one even works in the same field as me, so we often see each other at work functions.

  Sevenstar61

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2/17/13 10:55:05 PM#26

Everybody has his/her thing that others can consider a waste of time. It's a hobby like any other. Sure, we can argue that outdoors hobbies are more... healthy, but still... I do not see a difference.

It's a great way to spend free time, it's interactive, it has learning curve, social skills, solving problems... etc.

Beats watching TV and movies... that's for sure.

 


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  dotdotdash

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2/17/13 10:55:39 PM#27


Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Lienhart I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world. Anyone else ever feel the same way?
And exactly what are you getting out of your track days besides tire and brake bills?  Enjoyment.  You're not "Getting" anything except maybe a trophy, thats the only tangible difference, otherwise, its enjoyment, and possibly respect from your group of enthusiasts.

Unless you have a hobby that makes you more physically fit, increases your scholastic knowledge, or creates things, i.e. building boats or carving wood or ships in a bottle, than all you get out of any leisure activity is enjoyment.  So, moot point is moot.


Track days have a number of benefits, and being proficient enough to compete at track days comes with a lot of requirements:
- Important source of exercise
- Provides social interaction (which is very important for mental health)
- Offers the chance to learn about the machinery you are using (which has many real world applications)
- Improves riding skills (which, again, has a real world application on the road)
- Improves and aids reaction time, memory, cognition, etc (arguably more than any game outside of nback)

So the point isn't really moot. Gaming, as a rule, doesn't actually offer a road to success of any tangible form. It's not the WORST thing you can do with your time, but it's most certainly not the best hobby you could possibly have.

Gaming should, as the saying goes, be pursued in moderation. It should compliment a wider set of hobbies. Gaming does have a lot to offer, but it's not so valuable that it should be taking up hours of your time every day. If it is, you have a problem. If you were drinking for hours a day, you'd be an addict. If you were watching TV for hours a day, you'd be lazy. If you're gaming for hours a day? That's, apparently, quite alright.

It isn't really though.

  olepi

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2/17/13 11:02:32 PM#28

Life is a "controlled folly". Do you want to raise horses? Skydive? Learn Greek? Play an MMO?

What does it all mean in the end? All of our hobbies are basically meaningless, the value is in how you approach it, not what the thing you are approaching is.

Find something you truly enjoy doing, and try to excel at that. If it's raising hamsters, so be it. MMO's? Bring it on.

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RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  stygianapoth

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2/17/13 11:05:14 PM#29
i just recently made a similar post on the off-topic forums. but agree... games in general seem to be a waste of time. i need to play more guitar.
  gigat

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2/17/13 11:06:12 PM#30

Gamers make better surgeons: http://www.drkim.com/2011/04/27/surgeons-video-games/

 

"A couple of interesting studies regarding surgical errors came to my attention recently.  The first found that surgeons who play lots of video games are faster and make fewer mistakes during laparoscopic surgery than surgeons who don’t play any video games."

 

Don't take that as fact.  Interesting though.  I have noticed that my gaming skills with a mouse and keyboard tend to carry over to my job.  I can operate complex tasks on a computer faster and more accurately than any of my co-workers.  Since my job revolves around computers, gaming has a very positive impact on my career.

It may be a waste of time for a cook, or a construction worker.  But for anyone who depends on computers for their job, I have a feeling they take something positive away from the insane amounts of hours they spend in MMOs (assuming they can pull themselves away from the keyboard long enough to get/keep a job).

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  dotdotdash

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2/17/13 11:10:15 PM#31


Originally posted by olepi
Life is a "controlled folly". Do you want to raise horses? Skydive? Learn Greek? Play an MMO?

What does it all mean in the end? All of our hobbies are basically meaningless, the value is in how you approach it, not what the thing you are approaching is.

Find something you truly enjoy doing, and try to excel at that. If it's raising hamsters, so be it. MMO's? Bring it on.


Aha. And what DOES it all mean in the end?

  shingoukieh

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2/17/13 11:13:48 PM#32

i feel the op when he says mmorpgs are a waste of time...i been feeling that way sometimes

for instance u play a mmorpg for like a year or 2...since hobbies are meant for fun playing a mmorpg is fun but its kinda like rewarding and progression. So anyways u play 2 years and the game shutdown. so u spend 2 years in this place progressing and for what to shut down?? mmorpgs are more than standard mmorpgs....standard ones have an ending like a movie...mmorpgs are meant to simulate a fantasy world..now if mmorpgs never shut down then it would be a great hobby. For someone playing wow its proly great cause that game isnt going anywhere.

not that games are bad but mmorpgs do take up alot of real time to get anywhere. A game like eve online u can spend an hour just moving around items. for example i remember i was looking for a party in a mmorpg and it took like 1 and a half hours to find a group. after we found the group took like 15 mins to meet up and get everyone prepared. was in the dungeon for like an hour and then someone dropped. took about 40 mins to find a replacement. went back in just to wipe on final boss.

after all that still didnt complete my quest and it wasted bout all my day doing it. At the end i was like i could have been doing something else if i were to know the outcome of all that. It wasnt fun and was a headache all in all.

 

  jarby

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2/17/13 11:16:25 PM#33
m8 i feel exacty the same way as u do.  huge waste of time
  User Deleted
2/17/13 11:16:44 PM#34
memories....you build memories.  MMO's are about the journey and the friends you make on the way.
  Aerowyn

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2/17/13 11:16:49 PM#35
perhaps making a thread discussing how much a waste of time MMOs are is an even bigger waste of time.. sweet irony:) :P

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  olepi

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2/17/13 11:21:53 PM#36
Originally posted by dotdotdash

 


Originally posted by olepi
Life is a "controlled folly". Do you want to raise horses? Skydive? Learn Greek? Play an MMO?

 

What does it all mean in the end? All of our hobbies are basically meaningless, the value is in how you approach it, not what the thing you are approaching is.

Find something you truly enjoy doing, and try to excel at that. If it's raising hamsters, so be it. MMO's? Bring it on.


 

Aha. And what DOES it all mean in the end?

Why does it have to "mean" anything? Perhaps the search for meaning is just a feature of our own limited minds. Our minds are basically sequential machines, with cause A making result B. Meaning is the list of causes. What if the Universe has no Cause?

Asking what the meaning of it all is, could turn out to be a meaningless question.

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RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  Hrimnir

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2/17/13 11:22:40 PM#37
Originally posted by dotdotdash

 


Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Lienhart I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world. Anyone else ever feel the same way?
And exactly what are you getting out of your track days besides tire and brake bills?  Enjoyment.  You're not "Getting" anything except maybe a trophy, thats the only tangible difference, otherwise, its enjoyment, and possibly respect from your group of enthusiasts.

 

Unless you have a hobby that makes you more physically fit, increases your scholastic knowledge, or creates things, i.e. building boats or carving wood or ships in a bottle, than all you get out of any leisure activity is enjoyment.  So, moot point is moot.


 

Track days have a number of benefits, and being proficient enough to compete at track days comes with a lot of requirements:
- Important source of exercise
- Provides social interaction (which is very important for mental health)
- Offers the chance to learn about the machinery you are using (which has many real world applications)
- Improves riding skills (which, again, has a real world application on the road)
- Improves and aids reaction time, memory, cognition, etc (arguably more than any game outside of nback)

So the point isn't really moot. Gaming, as a rule, doesn't actually offer a road to success of any tangible form. It's not the WORST thing you can do with your time, but it's most certainly not the best hobby you could possibly have.

Gaming should, as the saying goes, be pursued in moderation. It should compliment a wider set of hobbies. Gaming does have a lot to offer, but it's not so valuable that it should be taking up hours of your time every day. If it is, you have a problem. If you were drinking for hours a day, you'd be an addict. If you were watching TV for hours a day, you'd be lazy. If you're gaming for hours a day? That's, apparently, quite alright.

It isn't really though.

First and foremost, i'm a huge car enthusiast and have had plenty o' track days of my own, so you're speaking to the choir.  But your point is still invalid.

First of all, driving in a track day is NOT excercise.  Thats really grasping at straws.

Social interaction is also a completely invalid point as in (well up until recently) in most MMO's you are required to work together and interact with other people.  Whether thats online or in person is really not a big difference as far as your brain is concerned.  Communication is communication.

So you learn about the machinery and with games and MMO's you learn excellent problem solving skills, hand eye coordination, and a MULTITUDE of other benefits.

Riding skills on a bike, once again, moot point.  Barely qualifies as excersize.

Reaction time, memory, cognition, etc, are all things that gaming does a FAR better job of improving than the very limited act of driving a car or riding a bike on a track. There are tons of studies showing the benefits of gaming in those areas.

Now, if we're being realistic i could make a strong argument that you put your health and life in danger when your partake in those activities, whereas gaming does not have any built in risk of life or limb.  So, if we're being 100% honest you're probably better off gaming.  But, the point is, to each their own.

 

Nobody here is arguing that gaming or any activity should be pursued in moderation.  What we're arguing here is whether one form of entertainment/enjoyment is superior to another, and the simple fact is its not.  When we're all sitting on our death beds nobody is going to pat you on the back for having spent 1000 hours riding motorcycles on a track vs 1000 hours in an MMO.  Nobody is going to give a shit about those things.

 

All you are trying to do is make yourself feel somehow superior to gamers because you feel that your particular choice of hobby is "better" than ours.

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  Aethaeryn

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2/17/13 11:22:57 PM#38

I had a similar thought about 4 years ago.  I cancelled some game and realized that all that time I spent on that character gained me a net of zero.

I decided to quit playing MMOs for a long time.  Then I started a new one that grabbed my attention for some reason.  I played ot for a bit and now play a few games casually.

If you play them and enjoy them then they are not a waste of time.  If you play it and it feels like work and you are focused just on being the best you might be in for a bit of a facepalm when you eventually quit but some people find that enjoyable.  To each his own I guess.

If you have no goals outside of maintaining a job etc. and you use MMOs to have a sense of accomplishment that is your choice.  If you find that your personal life is slipping and the game is more important. . at some point that is going to hit you hard.  I find these days I can't play more than a few hours a week without feeling like I should be trying to improve something in my life.  Recently I have decided to learn how to program etc.

If you compare playing an MMO to watching TV or reading a book (fiction),  I don't see that as being much of a difference.  If you compare playing an MMO to doing something to improve yourself (working out, learning a new skill) then sure. . MMOs might be a waste of time . . but no more than playing Angry Birds or reading Game of Thrones etc.

That was a bit of a ramble.

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  erictlewis

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2/17/13 11:46:42 PM#39
Originally posted by Lienhart

I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world.

Anyone else ever feel the same way?

LOL  man if you really think mmo's are a waste of time why even bother with comming to this site.  I come here to find out info on all the games header our way.   If you truly felt that mmo are a waste of time I would sugest another hobby. 

 

  jpnz

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2/17/13 11:59:19 PM#40

Let me get this straight, someone is trying to find 'meaning' in a VIDEO GAME?

What the....???

/Facepalm

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