Originally posted by nttajira

anyone can list me some kickstarter game who have actualy releases ??

i have try google , but find ZERO mmorpg who have actualy releases using this system

anyone can give some link of released game ?? the only one you can find = FTL

 

seriously.... we promise you 2560 GAMe each year , suck your money , and not a single one have releases ?? you guy are fool ..

brb going make my kickstarter for get some MONEY :)

 

FTL: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64409699/ftl-faster-than-light?ref=category

Strike Suit Zero: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/43153532/strike-suit-zero?ref=category

Most games on Kickstarter are very ambitious projects and thus require long development cycles. Just because something get's funded does not mean it will only take them a month to get something out, that's not how it works.

Originally posted by Seanalex

Originally posted by nttajira

anyone can list me some kickstarter game who have actualy releases ??

i have try google , but find ZERO mmorpg who have actualy releases using this system

anyone can give some link of released game ?? the only one you can find = FTL

 

seriously.... we promise you 2560 GAMe each year , suck your money , and not a single one have releases ?? you guy are fool ..

brb going make my kickstarter for get some MONEY :)

 

FTL: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64409699/ftl-faster-than-light?ref=category

Strike Suit Zero: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/43153532/strike-suit-zero?ref=category

 

Most games on Kickstarter are very ambitious projects and thus require long development cycles. Just because something get's funded does not mean it will only take them a month to get something out, that's not how it works.

also isn't kickstarter fairly new? i only heard about it last year.. since then I have seen a ton of new projects emerge on there but none have had long enough to actually finish development after getting funded

It's funny because Kickstarters are not obligated to bring you a finished product in a reasonable time frame. They can finish it ten years from now, or never, as long as they keep promising you that "they're working hard on the game" every year or so (like The Last Guardian and Versus 13 in the console realm for example). This is why I hate Kickstarter, and people that actually make a finished product are the exception, not the norm.

sorry dont trust kickstarters

hell i keep thinking of starting one that say give me money i wont give you anything in return just to see how much i get.

bet i would get at least a few hundred

Originally posted by Deeter

It's funny because Kickstarters are not obligated to bring you a finished product in a reasonable time frame. They can finish it ten years from now, or never, as long as they keep promising you that "they're working hard on the game" every year or so (like The Last Guardian and Versus 13 in the console realm for example). This is why I hate Kickstarter, and people that actually make a finished product are the exception, not the norm.

that's why its called an investment, a donation, a gamble. Pretty sure people who donate to kickstarter as I have are well aware of the risks. You are funding an idea and hoping that idea will come to light. Kickstarter launched in 2009 and just in the past year has gained more widespread popularity so no one can say kickstarter won't kickstart quality MMOs in the future

All I can tell you is that I sat down with Chris at GDC Austin a few months ago and got to ask him a pile of questions as well as see him demo his game and feel his passion and vision for Star Citizen.  This guy is more or less a childhood hero of mine being that he created games that truely changed PC gaming and my own life forever.  The demo he had put together so far was pretty darn impressive - and I think given the resources this gaming champion is going to blow us all away again.

While it make take a massive corporation $100M to make an MMORPG I don't think that is necessarily true with smaller organizations that can sidestep all the waste that corporations tend to make.  I feel that Chris & team can pull this off with a fraction of the typical budget.

For what it is worth I threw it some cash on KS ;-)

I willing to bet that Chris Roberts will get some major funding from outside the Kickstarter realm.

It's one thing to go to investors with a great design and a working demo. If they don't believe there's a market for your product (or game), they won't give you a penny. But if total strangers are so enthusiastic about your game that they give you $8M (so far !), then it begins to look like there might be a market after all.

At this rate, Chris will be inundated with offers of venture capital....

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Originally posted by Admin

While it make take a massive corporation $100M to make an MMORPG I don't think that is necessarily true with smaller organizations that can sidestep all the waste that corporations tend to make.  I feel that Chris & team can pull this off with a fraction of the typical budget.

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Yeah, that is how you turn small company into large corporation - you start wasting money. More you waste, bigger you become.

Oh dear...

I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.

Personally, I'm really tired of being **** on by gigantic corporations who are only interested in producing treadmills disguised as games in order to generate as much profit as possible. Excuse me for parting with a few of my dollars to support someone who believes in making money by creating 'real' games which are fun to play, and not human rat mazes.

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Originally posted by Royalkin

I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.

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You are missing the point.

The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Royalkin

I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.

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You are missing the point.

The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

And you missed the point. The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something. All the anti-kickstarter people are going to accomplish if they should happen to convince the entire Internet to stop funding is to shove everyone back to the giant publishers who don't give a shit about you or anything that isn't going to bring in the biggest profit. Do you look forward to Call of Medals 723:Bad Black Special Company of Operations X2 that badly? Many of the people who started these kickstarters have something much more binding than a contract, they have their reputations. Some of them have been building that rep for 20 years. You think they're gonna throw it away for a kickstarter scam?

You've obviously been abused by the giant publishers for so long that your cynicism has robbed you of all joy in life.

You have a severe case of Battered Gamer Syndrome which will get worse if it goes untreated. I would suggest you seek medical attention immediately.

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Originally posted by ishist

The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something.

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Read my post again.

Everyone has equal chance to raise funds via established funding methods. However, if someone is seeking to raise their funds through unorthodox, controversial methods such as crowdfunding, there is either something wrong with their business or they treat you like stupid.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by ishist

The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something.

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Read my post again.

Everyone has equal chance to raise funds via established funding methods. However, if someone is seeking to raise their funds through unorthodox, controversial methods such as crowdfunding, there is either something wrong with their business or they treat you like stupid.

Read my post again. What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company? Also, in case you haven't been on the internet in the last few years, kickstarter is neither unorthodox or controversial.

What better measure of public approval and interest in your idea could be found than asking for donations for it?

Kickstarter is a Great thing. The more success stories that come from Kickstarter, the better for the industry as a whole. Publishers will have to learn to either makes entertaining games that are actually worth the money they sell them for, or lose business to some guy in his basement. I've funded 4 projects so far that would have never made it through the Publisher gauntlet. Not because the games wouldn't be spectacular, but because the publishers have no data points with which to gauge their prospective profits.

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Originally posted by ishist

What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company?

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You cannot hold someone accountable for crowdfunding money.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by ishist

What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company?

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You cannot hold someone accountable for crowdfunding money.

You just replied to a quoted statement from my post with a completely unrelated statement. Congratulations, you now get to discuss this subject with yourself.

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Originally posted by ishist

You just replied to a quoted statement from my post with a completely unrelated statement. Congratulations, you now get to discuss this subject with yourself.

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It is very much relevant, I just got straight to the point, then you either understand why being accountable for money invested is important or not...

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Royalkin

I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.

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You are missing the point.

The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

We need MANY more such "loop holes".  Contrary to the belief of many, in all too many situations, government (and its regulations/laws) are a PROBLEM, not a solution. 

Yes, yes I know its all to "protect" us poor ignorant/stupid people, from ourslves, and the E-vile Capitalist Pig Dogs that are lurking everywhere in the shadows, waiting to pounce and run off with our life savings...<Cue voice over "Save me! Save me!">... ^^

I've been over all VERY pleased with my backing of various Kickstarter projects.  I'm the one responsible for doing my own research, and making the *choice* to back any given project, and how much I will back it for.  I certainly don't want or need any pompus government stuffed shirt, taking it upon themselves to make my choices for me.