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  nariusseldon

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2/14/13 12:03:49 PM#61
Originally posted by Kyleran
 

Yeah, I guess so, but I said allegedly because I have a hard time believing anyone could get paid for such an activity, but then again I'm really out of touch from the mainstream gaming world, so perhaps it was true.

 

I wouldn't doubt something like that will happen. If millions buy $25 mounts, $250 for a virtual item on D3, i can believe a guild can shelf out $600 a month, if that tank is really important for the raid.

 

  Dexter2010

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2/14/13 2:09:07 PM#62
Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....
  nariusseldon

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2/14/13 2:31:24 PM#63
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....

No doubt. I also have stories from the opposite.

My guild leader and his gf, got married and quit wow to start a family.

For most people, including me, MMOs are just entertainment that have to compete with other wants of life, and other entertainment.

Another example. This weekend i am goingt to Napa valley (taking the wine train tour) with my wife, and going to sample Iron Chef's Morimoto's restaurant. While i am taking my laptop (has to for email & potential work), i doubt i would be playing much games.

Similarly, during summer movie seasons, i often go to movie on SAT morning with my kids. That means i would not be playing MMOs (or other video games) then. And no raid, or online group, is important enough to take me away from that.

 

  Salio69

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2/14/13 2:33:32 PM#64
i've met many of these "leet" players and have gotten to know them pretty well in games. most of them are troubled people with no jobs or are escaping from life. there are a few who are just naturally really good at the game they are playing but most of them had some really bad problems in real life. getting to know them personally also made me stop picking on them because i've seen how messed up life is for them. you'd be surprised how many of them are on anti depressants.

  Fusion

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2/14/13 2:40:40 PM#65

Some top-guilds have sponsors, enough so they can play them for living.

Most are unemployed probably, from countries with awesome welfare systems that doesn't really require you to work for living ever.

Some are underaged kids living at their parents with no responsibilities.

Some are just no-lifers who work - game - work - game (i have one such friend, whom i met last weekend on a cruise and hadn't seen him in over a year).

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  k11keeper

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2/14/13 2:43:53 PM#66

I don't know about others but for me when I was able to play the most hardcore was when I quit my fulltime while waiting to join the military. I was supposed to leave a few weeks after I quit but it turned into over 9 months when I found out i was colorblind. During that time I lived off savings and worked about 32-38 hours a week at a gas station just to barely getting by. By the end I had sold pretty much everything I owned other than my pc and my desk. Since I was so broke at the time all I did was play my MMO constantly cause I couldn't afford to do anything else.

I've never understood how people are able to do this for years and years. Some I've known in the past go in sperts because of seasonal work. Others work that 9-5 job but literally have no activities other than playing their game. They don't date, they don't hangout with friends, they don't visit family etc. They just play their game with every bit of free time they have.

  Dexter2010

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2/14/13 3:12:00 PM#67
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....

No doubt. I also have stories from the opposite.

My guild leader and his gf, got married and quit wow to start a family.

For most people, including me, MMOs are just entertainment that have to compete with other wants of life, and other entertainment.

Another example. This weekend i am goingt to Napa valley (taking the wine train tour) with my wife, and going to sample Iron Chef's Morimoto's restaurant. While i am taking my laptop (has to for email & potential work), i doubt i would be playing much games.

Similarly, during summer movie seasons, i often go to movie on SAT morning with my kids. That means i would not be playing MMOs (or other video games) then. And no raid, or online group, is important enough to take me away from that.

 

Exactly! I was out with my gf on a Friday 'til 1am. I logged in and the fry cook GM gave me shit for not being ready at the keyboard in case they needed me. I wasn't even in that raid group! Put the game down! It isn't love!

  Zorgo

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2/14/13 3:30:56 PM#68
Originally posted by gambe1
I knew few people that could play at work. Goverment jobs mostly. No surprise there.

You cannot play games on a government network.

Even gaming sites, like this one are blocked.

  skyexile

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2/14/13 4:12:53 PM#69

I work full-time...just play every spare moment :P

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  Xiaoki

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2/14/13 4:24:38 PM#70


Originally posted by Salio69
i've met many of these "leet" players and have gotten to know them pretty well in games. most of them are troubled people with no jobs or are escaping from life. there are a few who are just naturally really good at the game they are playing but most of them had some really bad problems in real life. getting to know them personally also made me stop picking on them because i've seen how messed up life is for them. you'd be surprised how many of them are on anti depressants.

And many of these "leet" players that I have met and gotten to know well are just regular people. People with jobs, spouses and kids.


They arent trying to "escape" from their real life problems, they are just playing a game and they are good at it.


The heavy stereotyping in this thread is, unfortunately, not surprising.


Why is it that when someone actually achieves success in an MMO the rest of the community so desperately wants to perceive them as a no life loser?

  Kazuhiro

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2/14/13 4:29:21 PM#71
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by gambe1
I knew few people that could play at work. Goverment jobs mostly. No surprise there.

You cannot play games on a government network.

Even gaming sites, like this one are blocked.

*Laughs uncontrollably for a few momments.*

Yeah, sure, no way around that, nope, not at all.

 

Anyway, while I was never into games with raiding and all that stuff. I did play some very time demanding pvp games like EVE and PERPETUUM for nearly 18 hours a day sometimes. In my case I'm a network administrator, my day consists of sitting either at home or in the office with one or monitors keeping tabs on performance and issues, and leaves me with nothing but time for games/internet until a issue arises. Honestly software takes care of almost everything today, but they have to keep someone on hand for the odd issue it can't handle.

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  gestalt11

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2/14/13 4:40:02 PM#72

The unemployment rate in Spain for people 25 and younger is 60%.  In many countries currently that age group is in the 20-25% number.

 

What makes you think even half of any of these people does anything for a living?  Yeah at first blush you would think that well at least a majority has got to do something.  But clearly that is not a good assumption.

  mgilbrtsn

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He who fights and runs away... misses out on the loot

2/14/13 4:42:40 PM#73
They have their moms, wives, husbands, etc  do the cooking, cleaning, or otherwise making booboos go away ;)

They are coming for you!

  gestalt11

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2/14/13 4:42:45 PM#74
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

Actually you will find that a lot of them are in the military or some other from of work sucha s mining where they have a huge downtime in between deployment or seasonal work.

 

All of the other response that have house husbands or mom's basement are just being mean. I'm pretty sure that population is quite small in comparison to the working population (otherwise our economies will be like the Greek's).

They will be.  Very soon.

  Ozivois

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2/14/13 4:45:41 PM#75
Originally posted by Sijjistoryus
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

In DUST - and probably in all MMORPGs - there seems to be several hundered players who are in the top few clans or guilds. They are the elite of the game - by a large margin - and they seem to play the game like it's a job. 

 

If there is a tournament, their clans will be the top few teams.

 

If you want to join them, the expectation is that you play the game like it's a job as well.

 

But how do these people find the time? What do they do for a living?

 

I'm just curious as to whether anyone has an insight into this.

I played in these clans when I was very young. I remember my teammates like this:

 

#1. A few of them were just graduating HS. If they did have a job, if was something like a part-time stock boy. Understandable for a 16-17 year old.

#2. A few members of the guild were millionares. I remember one of them telling me how he had started and sold a CISCO-related network company for a few million. He had everything paid off, money in the bank, and time on his hands.

#3. Most of the players all had jobs. They were married, too. After they worked for 8 hours, they simply played. I think some of them might have had some marriage issues. No all, though.

#4. Some just lived at home with little to no responsibilities.

#3: They aren't married anymore...

  Cname

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2/14/13 8:04:27 PM#76
Originally posted by Greyhooff

There's no one making a living playing MMOs though.

Lots of gold farmers made a living through MMOs - through one might argue they are not really  "playing".

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  CalmOceans

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2/14/13 8:11:15 PM#77
Originally posted by Novusod

A lot of the hard core raiders especially put in LESS hours than casuals because they play hard and play to win. I have seen both sides as I have spent years raiding with casuals as well as a couple years raiding hard core. The idea that hard core gamers must be basement dwellers is largely a myth. Most hardcore players were adults with jobs.

 

Hard core guilds are just very efficient and ultimately just better than casuals. They are not there for the friendships or other socializing. If someone is not pulling their weight in a hard core raid guild they get kicked out. Getting rid of slackers, Leeroy Jenkins types, and all arround bad players makes top guilds extremely efficient. Casuals often complain that it takes an hour just to form up a raid but the reality is in a hard core guild form up is done in less than 5 minutes. They get in, get the job done, and then go home. It is surprising how much can be accomplished if there is zero tollerance for fooling arround.

 

Hard core players make gaming a lifestyle. This means they will take vaction time off when new content is released especially if there is a level cap in crease. The may put in marathon sessions for a few days but when that is over they are back to raiding just a couple hours for 3 or 4 days a week. The difference between hard core and casual is not the time spent but that the hard core player takes the game very seriously.

Right, this is how it works with us. I do not play a lot, nor do many of our guild members, but still we can maintain being a top guild.

When there is a level uncap we do play a lot, but again it's far more productive than casuals. I have the people who I play with on my messenger, I know when they're on, I know when they're asleep, as they do from me. Before a new expansion we log off fully buffed and our group is ready, we have planned out how we are going to level, we have planed out reserves if someone doesn't show up, we have planned out how long we will level etc. and we will play 8-10 hours in a row, but those are the only days we do that, every other day we play far less than some casuals.

We raid 3-4 hours and log off, raid 3-4 hours, log off, raid 3-4 hours, log off. This system of logging on on the same time and setting up groups and raids in minutes is a very productive way to play MMO.

3-4 hours 5 times a week is not a lot of playtime compared to casuals, but a casual is still looking for a group after 30 minutes while most raid guilds have gathered 54 peple in 2 minutes and have taken out a raid mob by then.

It's not because top guilds play more, it's their structure, their playstyle, the very srong bond and organisation skill they use to come together at the exact same time and their intolernace for anyone who doesn't abide by those same rules.

 

I will say that there are raiders in top guilds who simply play a lot, there are players who play non-stop, but this is not the case for the majority in our guild, 90% of the players log in for raid, raid and log off. they do not stay on to play, they have a job and don't have the time to play longer than 3-4 hours, but in those 3-4 hours, they are highly effective at contributing to the guild, far more effective than a casual who play 10 hours but log in at random times without consistency.

 

It's the same difference between casual guilds and top guilds when a new character enters the guild. In most casual guilds that player is left to fend for her / himself. In top guild every new character that comes in is immediatly "corrected", any missing xp or flags are checked and if that person is lacking anything they are immediately helped by good players in the guild who are good at powerleveling and going through missions as fast as possible. That player will be ready to play in a matter of days, while in casual guilds that player is still figuring out who to group with. When a new player comes into the guild who is not ready an officer will take the initiative and tell members of the guild to stop what they're doing and join the group with the newbee, and you play with this new character until they're ready and then go back to your regular group within the guild.

  Corehaven

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2/14/13 8:14:42 PM#78

Most probably don't have jobs. 

 

A friend of mine has known a guy for years that plays EVERY game in existence and has never worked a day in his life.  He claims to have an incredible fear of going outside.  Whatever that phobia is called.  So he lives on disability due to his "illness" is very fat, and spends most of the government assistence on video games. 

 

But there's tons of people like that.  Living with their parents.  Never work.  Getting paid disability when in my humble opinion they're probably perfectly able.  A lot of these people are gamers.  I mean what else are they gonna do?  They're not working. 

 

If you think its an impossibility that you just can't get by without a job, thats reality for most people.  However there's a ton of folks that's not a reality at all.  They can sit around at home all day and not do crap.  Except read comic books, play video games, and watch pornography all the while getting extremely impatient on whats taking mom so long to finish making the chicken friend steak and green bean DINNER!  COMON ALREADY!  MOOOOOM!  GAWD!!!! 

 

If you think this is some sort of fiction, or rarity, it's not.  It's totally not.  In online games these people are all over the place.  Its just the way it is. 

 

EDIT: I also have to say I'm amused that most of the replies in this thread are working off some premise that these people must be doing something for money.  Seriously folks.  No.  Just no.  If they're not earning on disability regarding their chronic itchy toenail, they're just 35 years old saying, " MOM!  I want the WoW EXPANSION!  I HAVE NOTHING TO DOOO!  Yea....thank you.  Its not that expensive anyways.  NO I DONT WANT TO MOW THE LAWN!!!! ".    I know they make comedies like "Step Brothers" about this stuff.  But it seriously exists.  For real.  And its actually far more common than most of you would seem to be able to believe.

So in short what do they do for a living?  Probably jack diddly squat that's what. 

  L0C0Man

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2/14/13 8:26:59 PM#79

I never raided hardcore, but I did knew a few people that seemed to be online at all hours. Some were college students, others, just happened to do nothing but work and play, when they weren't at work, they were at home playing, and almost all day long on weekends.

One case I knew worked from home doing audio stuff, he had his whole studio at home next to his gaming computer. When he had to work it was usually doing overnight stuff, and when he had big projects he would dissapear for days at a time, but other than that he was in game most of the day.

What can men do against such reckless hate?

  h0urg1ass

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2/14/13 11:29:07 PM#80

I'm a software consultant for a computer system that the military use.  I'm basically a living insurance policy.  They pay me to be a subject matter expert on the system, so that when it breaks, I can fly out and fix the problem.

I bring my gaming laptop to work and play single player games there most of the day, then I go home, do whatever my wife has for me to do on the "honey-do" list, help the kids with their homework, eat dinner with my family at the table, and then I play games most of the evening.

Some of us just simply have a lot of free time.

If you're smart, then you plan out a career path that has absolutely nothing to do with time cards, cash registors or sitting in cubicles for 8 hours a day.  Every day I log onto my computer and bill the company for 8 hours of work, and that's just to keep my expertise around, whether I did anything that day or not.  Work smarter, not harder and you'll have plenty of time to do the things you want to do like paint Warhammer 40k armies and play video games all day. :)

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