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  Aerowyn

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OP  2/13/13 2:51:10 PM#41
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Purutzil

I highly disagree. If you look at it from viewpoint then a good majority of games out there does exactly the same thing. You don't HAVE to do the quests in a lot of those games and none of them really emphasize you as being the 'only' one doing it. A lot of them even make it very generic in terms of making it sound as if your part of a bigger picture, Rift for example using "Ascended" as a singular and ploral way of addressing the player characters for their work. Besides in terms of consistency the "dynamic events" don't make to much sense in repeating over and over again which makes its own source of making no sense.

 

You can't look at one aspect and ignore the others though. If you look at the main story which this game emphasizes a lot greater then most out there, it does quite a cringe worthy job at it. It is like Diablo 2 vs Diablo 3. Sure, diablo 2 story wasn't very great, but the fact it didn't preach and force it in your face made it a lot better. With GW2 'character story' its at diablo 3 levels with far to many /faceplant moments to make up for anything good in the story. 

What you may call cringe worthy i actually may enjoy.. i found numerous storylines in gw2 as interesting as some of the swtor ones, but overall in the big scope of things the personal story is such a small % of the overall content in GW2 even if some is somewhat "cringe worthy" so what? it's a MMO, many MMOs don't even have much of a personal story option at all anyway.. one thing i feel GW2 has over some of the other recent MMOs that have a heavy emphasis on story is the amount of alternate paths you have to "easily" level. Other games you can cut out the story no problem but then you do you severly gimp yourself on XP to level.. In gw2 you don't have this issue at all..

Also on another note something not many seemed to talk about is the actual world questing in other games is generally very much tailored to "you".. you have your static npcs and every person that goes to that npc starts their very own version of that same exact quest this is a huge immersion killer for me and something that really sticks out huge for me. In gw2 the open world events and quests are not like that and go on with or without you and you can go in and pick them up at any point not just from start to end..

also lastly find it funny how many commented on how unhappy they are with the quality of the story overall since the OP has nothing to do with that...

The hearts in GW2 are nearly exactly like the quests you describe above.  True, the DEs rotate stages, but coming back and seeing the same DE recycling itself can be immersion killing as well.  At least for me.

yes hearts are static but again the game was not designed around hearts and they are just filler unlike most other MMOs questing that their entire questing system works through static questing.. i can see how the DE cycles bother people and break immersion for some but overall its WAY better world feeling overall for me that other MMOs.. obviously everyones mileage may vary in this regard..

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/13/13 2:52:36 PM#42
Originally posted by grimal

The hearts in GW2 are nearly exactly like the quests you describe above.

As I already said, if you play GW2 only going from heart to heart, you're doing it wrong and if you get bored, you are the only culprit, not the game. I actually wish ANet never added the hearts, what they did only to make the WoW kiddies feel "at home" because they would be lost if they had to explore a bit to find content.

True, the DEs rotate stages, but coming back and seeing the same DE recycling itself can be immersion killing as well.  At least for me.

Well, what is more "immersion breaking"...

1) A static "WoW clone" quest system where some farmer sends you to kill 20 bandits in his field, but nothing changes at all, and when you leave, you have still bandits standing in the same field.

2) A GW2 model, where after you fought the bandits in the field, for a while, you either won and the field is bandit free until their next offensive, or you lost and the bandits took over the whole farm and are burning the haystacks in the field, but you have the option to conqueer the farm back too.

I buy option 2 anytime of the day, and what of the two is "more realistic" is quite obvious too.

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  moosecatlol

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2/13/13 2:52:49 PM#43
The greater challenge was not dozing off during the story mission, especially after level 50. Everything after level 50 seemed so tripe, like it was rushed to make the launch window. Not even going to speak about how insulting it was to do the last few missions. The thing I can do at the moment is compare which was worse. Alien: Colonial Marines, or the whole Zhaitan shit?
  grimal

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2/13/13 2:58:47 PM#44
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by grimal

The hearts in GW2 are nearly exactly like the quests you describe above.

As I already said, if you play GW2 only going from heart to heart, you're doing it wrong and if you get bored, you are the only culprit, not the game. I actually wish ANet never added the hearts, what they did only to make the WoW kiddies feel "at home" because they would be lost if they had to explore a bit to find content.

True, the DEs rotate stages, but coming back and seeing the same DE recycling itself can be immersion killing as well.  At least for me.

Well, what is more "immersion breaking"...

1) A static "WoW clone" quest system where some farmer sends you to kill 20 bandits in his field, but nothing changes at all, and when you leave, you have still bandits standing in the same field.

2) A GW2 model, where after you fought the bandits in the field, for a while, you either won and the field is bandit free until their next offensive, or you lost and the bandits took over the whole farm and are burning the haystacks in the field, but you have the option to conqueer the farm back too.

I buy option 2 anytime of the day, and what of the two is "more realistic" is quite obvious too.

Agreed.  They should have left the hearts out.

As for immersion-breaking, neither is really the better option.  The problem, for me, is by making this change they really didn't improve upon it as significantly as I'm sure they wanted to.

Edit: Actually, the game does reward you with the zone awards for completing all the hearts, etc in a zone (positive reinforcement), so ANET is encouraging you to do them all per zone.  So I'd have to say your statement in red is not really true.

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  Aerowyn

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OP  2/13/13 3:03:11 PM#45
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by grimal

The hearts in GW2 are nearly exactly like the quests you describe above.

As I already said, if you play GW2 only going from heart to heart, you're doing it wrong and if you get bored, you are the only culprit, not the game. I actually wish ANet never added the hearts, what they did only to make the WoW kiddies feel "at home" because they would be lost if they had to explore a bit to find content.

True, the DEs rotate stages, but coming back and seeing the same DE recycling itself can be immersion killing as well.  At least for me.

Well, what is more "immersion breaking"...

1) A static "WoW clone" quest system where some farmer sends you to kill 20 bandits in his field, but nothing changes at all, and when you leave, you have still bandits standing in the same field.

2) A GW2 model, where after you fought the bandits in the field, for a while, you either won and the field is bandit free until their next offensive, or you lost and the bandits took over the whole farm and are burning the haystacks in the field, but you have the option to conqueer the farm back too.

I buy option 2 anytime of the day, and what of the two is "more realistic" is quite obvious too.

Agreed.  They should have left the hearts out.

As for immersion-breaking, neither is really the better option.  The problem, for me, is by making this change they really didn't improve upon it as significantly as I'm sure they wanted to.

one thing i will say for hearts is even as filler they do differ in you actually never have ot talk to a single npc to complete every single heart.. you get more info text about what the heart is about if you talk to the heart npc but you are never required to talk to a npc at all to complete and finish any heart in the game.. that alone makes it differn't. But yes i agree as well world would of been better without the hearts and more DEs.. but i take what I get and ill take this over other MMOs questing anyday

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/13/13 3:10:19 PM#46
Originally posted by grimal

As for immersion-breaking, neither is really the better option.  The problem, for me, is by making this change they really didn't improve upon it as significantly as I'm sure they wanted to.

Would it hurt your "forum reputation" to make concessions and admit the obvious sometimes?

It's pretty obvious that both are very different approaches to world content (aka "questing", if you like). And this comes from someone who is playing both WoW (2 active accounts) and GW2. The WoW model is nice for many things, but when it comes to world content, it doesn't come even remotely close to GW2, where you never known in what state you're going to find a location, where everything is in perpetual movement even when you're not there (aka "dynamic").

Can it be done even better? No doubt, and I hope games like TESO will do it somehow. But the step forward between the WoW clone model we got served in all more or less successful games these last 8 years and the GW2 model, if we consider open world content, is HUGE. I still enjoy WoW, but 75% of my gaming time is in GW2, because after a GW2 session, I have a very hard time going back to the static world in WoW

 

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

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  RizelStar

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2/13/13 3:32:04 PM#47
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by grimal

The hearts in GW2 are nearly exactly like the quests you describe above.

As I already said, if you play GW2 only going from heart to heart, you're doing it wrong and if you get bored, you are the only culprit, not the game. I actually wish ANet never added the hearts, what they did only to make the WoW kiddies feel "at home" because they would be lost if they had to explore a bit to find content.

True, the DEs rotate stages, but coming back and seeing the same DE recycling itself can be immersion killing as well.  At least for me.

Well, what is more "immersion breaking"...

1) A static "WoW clone" quest system where some farmer sends you to kill 20 bandits in his field, but nothing changes at all, and when you leave, you have still bandits standing in the same field.

2) A GW2 model, where after you fought the bandits in the field, for a while, you either won and the field is bandit free until their next offensive, or you lost and the bandits took over the whole farm and are burning the haystacks in the field, but you have the option to conqueer the farm back too.

I buy option 2 anytime of the day, and what of the two is "more realistic" is quite obvious too.

Agreed.  They should have left the hearts out.

As for immersion-breaking, neither is really the better option.  The problem, for me, is by making this change they really didn't improve upon it as significantly as I'm sure they wanted to.

one thing i will say for hearts is even as filler they do differ in you actually never have ot talk to a single npc to complete every single heart.. you get more info text about what the heart is about if you talk to the heart npc but you are never required to talk to a npc at all to complete and finish any heart in the game.. that alone makes it differn't. But yes i agree as well world would of been better without the hearts and more DEs.. but i take what I get and ill take this over other MMOs questing anyday

Yes I really like hearts more so than normal static quests, even though they are filler but honestly quests can be like hearts and prosper  a bit, cause hearts aren't filling up your log, but the progress you do in them is saved, plus the options they give you, if you don't like killing x you can choose to collect, once you get bored with that you can go kill or do what ever.

Just gives something to do an not having that little tid bit of a time sink to go talk and then return helps a whole lot more as well.

I mean if static quests where more like that which I wouldn't be surprised if there are MMOs comming out that have what's stated above that right there is a big plus than say SWTOR,RIFT, WoW, and especially Tera. That's naming a few, I think TSW did good with not having to return if I recall, like it goes to your phone.

Then if you want you can go talk to the giver for more info, praise, and etc.

Do note I'm not saying if quests in MMOs are like hearts in the future that they got the idea from GW2, cause TSW got something like that, I wouldn't be surprised if WildStar does the same as well, least I hope so.

 

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  Aerowyn

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OP  2/13/13 3:46:51 PM#48
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

*snip*

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

ahh yea forgot to mention that thanks:) and another step up for the hearts:P

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  SteeJanz

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2/13/13 4:08:57 PM#49
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

*snip*

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

ahh yea forgot to mention that thanks:) and another step up for the hearts:P

Don't forget that all of those heart quest NPC become karma vendors for gear, weapons, food etc...  

it's not the first game to do it but it still gives additional reasons to complete the hear quest.  The fact that a a full set of shadow armor can be created by a level 75 tailor for 756 Karma is pretty cool.  Its pretty decent looking low level armor for clothy.

And the next time I want ot make some Bowls of Orrian Truffle Soup, I need to hit Ichtaca up for my bulk shallots. 

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OP  2/13/13 4:13:24 PM#50
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

*snip*

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

ahh yea forgot to mention that thanks:) and another step up for the hearts:P

Don't forget that all of those heart quest NPC become karma vendors for gear, weapons, food etc...  

it's not the first game to do it but it still gives additional reasons to complete the hear quest.  The fact that a a full set of shadow armor can be created by a level 75 tailor for 756 Karma is pretty cool.  Its pretty decent looking low level armor for clothy.

And the next time I want ot make some Bowls of Orrian Truffle Soup, I need to hit Ichtaca up for my bulk shallots. 

+2 for the hearts:) yea i guess most do get hung up on how they are static quests but they do have a lot going for them overall

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2/13/13 4:24:32 PM#51
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

*snip*

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

ahh yea forgot to mention that thanks:) and another step up for the hearts:P

Don't forget that all of those heart quest NPC become karma vendors for gear, weapons, food etc...  

it's not the first game to do it but it still gives additional reasons to complete the hear quest.  The fact that a a full set of shadow armor can be created by a level 75 tailor for 756 Karma is pretty cool.  Its pretty decent looking low level armor for clothy.

And the next time I want ot make some Bowls of Orrian Truffle Soup, I need to hit Ichtaca up for my bulk shallots. 

+2 for the hearts:) yea i guess most do get hung up on how they are static quests but they do have a lot going for them overall

It's a forum thing.  We have been conditioned to think everything new is exaclty the same and that nothing is as good as the other thing.  Where confusion reins, opinions are always moving targets and valid critisim is the mantle for all grumpy people.    :)

  grimal

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2/13/13 4:41:11 PM#52
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by grimal

As for immersion-breaking, neither is really the better option.  The problem, for me, is by making this change they really didn't improve upon it as significantly as I'm sure they wanted to.

Would it hurt your "forum reputation" to make concessions and admit the obvious sometimes?

It's pretty obvious that both are very different approaches to world content (aka "questing", if you like). And this comes from someone who is playing both WoW (2 active accounts) and GW2. The WoW model is nice for many things, but when it comes to world content, it doesn't come even remotely close to GW2, where you never known in what state you're going to find a location, where everything is in perpetual movement even when you're not there (aka "dynamic").

Can it be done even better? No doubt, and I hope games like TESO will do it somehow. But the step forward between the WoW clone model we got served in all more or less successful games these last 8 years and the GW2 model, if we consider open world content, is HUGE. I still enjoy WoW, but 75% of my gaming time is in GW2, because after a GW2 session, I have a very hard time going back to the static world in WoW

 

PS @ Aerowyn about hearts : yes, and also, most if not all hearts have several possible ways to be completed, as opposed to the "go kill 10 wolves" of WoW clones where you don't have any choice but to actually go kill those wolves. How many theme parks give you those options in their quest system beside GW2? From what I know, none.

First off, don't tell me how or what I should think.  That annoys me more than anything else.

Second, it's not the "obvious" because it's your opinion not mine.  I liked the inital change at first but when I look back it offers nothing significantly better than the traditional npc quests.  They both serve the same end-result and after you've done each through, one really isn't any better than the other as far as I'm concerned.

You're also over praising the innovation in what they did.  It was a sideways shift (maybe slightly forward), but it most certainly was not HUGE.  Methinks perhaps you may still be in that honeymoon phase.

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  C1d0s

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2/13/13 4:44:33 PM#53

Whenever a thread about GW2 starts, I can always count on one of two people being in it.

I was not disappointed.

On topic: The story, both in implementation and quality, I found absolutely dreadful. And that's not a rip on GW, as I find pretty much every modern MMO's story rather bland and tasteless. That said, Guild Wars 2's personal stories ( I've done all the starting variations ) were entirely unimaginative and had absolutely no impact on my immersion. I'd much prefer there be NO personal story.

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OP  2/13/13 4:46:52 PM#54
Originally posted by C1d0s

Whenever a thread about GW2 starts, I can always count on one of two people being in it.

I was not disappointed.

On topic: The story, both in implementation and quality, I found absolutely dreadful. And that's not a rip on GW, as I find pretty much every modern MMO's story rather bland and tasteless. That said, Guild Wars 2's personal stories ( I've done all the starting variations ) were entirely unimaginative and had absolutely no impact on my immersion. I'd much prefer there be NO personal story.

your "on topic" is not really on topic at all.. know last couple posts weren't really on topic but either way quality of the story was not the topic of this post at all

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2/13/13 4:56:16 PM#55
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Omnifish

While your correct at the end, she has been selling and hyping this game since she joined.

What if she is just... you know, talking about a game she's enjoying? What a surprise... she talks about it positively, and she talks about it on the appropriate forum too. Does that compute?

Seeings as you just joined this year, maybe your not aware of it, or maybe your just blindly believe whoever agrees with you.  Check out post history, it isn't difficult to see a pattern.  If there wasn't one, why would anyone bring it up? Oh yeah I forgot everyones out to get GW2 aren't they....

As for the question I think without the story quests there'd be little to drive me forward in the game.  While ignoring it is optional, to a point,(you could level completely in WvWvW, if you have the stomach for it), I'd say it would be awkward to skip it for the pace of the leveling zones.  You pretty much have to repeat events to get further along in a zone and without the story quests you'd be further away from getting to those other heart areas.

This is wrong. You don't need the story quests even though the rewards are nice so it's just free gear and gold for you, and you do not need to farm events either. Anyone saying he needs to repeat events to level up a character is not playing the game the right way.

Utter bullshit, honest I get sick and tried of people like you saying, 'your doing it wrong', as some catch all defence when you feel threatened. if I'm in Kessex Hills and I decide to level up in that area you reckon I could level up from level 15-25 via just hearts and one or two events and avoid the story quests? You need to repeat stuff to be within a level or two to have a chance at the later zone heart quests.  Trying to make out that you only need to do stuff like events once is just outright lies.

Other games do this thing as thing, (you don't have to do the main quests in TSW or the story quests in SWTOR,) although you'd be missing out in those games and I feel the same about GW2.  There generally an interesting solo challenge and while the story is lackluster at times at least it gives my character context. Without it I would be moving from one zerg fest to another and the xp rewards are crucial for progression IMO. 

The XP rewards from the story in SW:TOR are much more crucial for progression than in GW2 for a simple reason... SW:TOR has no dynamic events, and SW:TOR has no level downscaling. GW2 broke those restrictions all WoW clones have, and gives more "freedom" to the player than any "theme park" MMORPG before. That's pretty much why I hope future "theme parks" will use GW2 has base more than WoW.

You mean SWTOR has no repeatable events that are on timers? That's true, but it has space missions and other planet within level range and more dungeons before lv30.  GW2 has other areas to level as well, but the actual areas don't seem to have enough unique content to level in, for the level range they quote.  GW2 basically expects you to do a bit of everything to level up, some crafting, some of the story quests, some wvwvw, events/hearts, while other games like SWTOR or TSW give you the option of playing one way or another. I'm not sure you'd define that as freedom really.

The thing is there's nothing wrong with that at all, I actually like GW2 for the most part, it's a fun game.  I just don't understand why some people can't discuss it without feeling like you just insulted their mother.

 

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2/13/13 4:57:25 PM#56
Originally posted by grimal

First off, don't tell me how or what I should think.  That annoys me more than anything else.

Second, it's not the "obvious" because it's your opinion not mine.  I liked the inital change at first but when I look back it offers nothing significantly better than the traditional npc quests.  They both serve the same end-result and after you've done each through, one really isn't any better than the other as far as I'm concerned.

You're also over praising the innovation in what they did.  It was a sideways shift (maybe slightly forward), but it most certainly was not HUGE.  Methinks perhaps you may still be in that honeymoon phase.

I don't tell you how to think, but I'm a too old man not to recognize biased thinking when I see it.  When one refuses to accept even a tiny bit of the obvious, it's clear that he's biased and on an agenda.

Second... let's go for it. Your liking of this game is irrelevant here, your opinion too, we talk about facts. Just like a white horse and a black horse are of a different color... not an opinion, a fact. And GW2 having a significantly different approach to "questing" than your usual "WoW clone" or "Theme Park MMO" is not an opinion, it's an undeniable fact. We don't talk about what is better (which is opinion indeed), we talk about what is different (which is fact, 1 is not equal to 2).

Last... I've been playing MMORPGs since the early days of UO beta (and text MUDs before too)... I'm not a victim of "honeymoons". I never play MMORPGs I dislike for 6+ months... and GW2 is in its 6th month, still as fun as day one to me. And let me tell you it's quite actually funny that you start by tellling me to not (supposedly) tell you what you should think (which I didn't do), and then you end your post by telling me what I'm (supposedly) thinking. Pot calling the kettle black?

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  Aerowyn

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OP  2/13/13 5:01:14 PM#57
Originally posted by Omnifish
 

Seeings as you just joined this year, maybe your not aware of it, or maybe your just blindly believe whoever agrees with you.  Check out post history, it isn't difficult to see a pattern.  If there wasn't one, why would anyone bring it up? Oh yeah I forgot everyones out to get GW2 aren't they....


 

you are welcome to go all the way back and look at the start of my post history.. i did not even hardly talk about gw2 at all until i played the first BWE event then i was hooked on the game after actually playing the game.. i mostly talked about TERA and TSW till the BWEs were out.. now i'm interested in a lot of new games as you can see i talk about neverwinter a lot and wildstar and others i'm interested in.. don't see how talking about games you like and are interested in is a "pattern"

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/13/13 5:04:31 PM#58
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Omnifish

While your correct at the end, she has been selling and hyping this game since she joined.

What if she is just... you know, talking about a game she's enjoying? What a surprise... she talks about it positively, and she talks about it on the appropriate forum too. Does that compute?

Seeings as you just joined this year, maybe your not aware of it, or maybe your just blindly believe whoever agrees with you.  Check out post history, it isn't difficult to see a pattern.  If there wasn't one, why would anyone bring it up? Oh yeah I forgot everyones out to get GW2 aren't they....

I've been here for a long time, but I don't like to get used to an account and post count for too long... you get bad habits from it, like, for instance, think your join date or post count mean something, which you just did.  I've reset my account recently and reset my "anonymous" status, like I regularly do. If you want to know it all, I was posting here 7 years before you created your present account. I know Aerowyn very well, and I know her posting habits... she's a fan of this game posting on this game's forums. As I said, I enjoy her posts way more than those of the trolls who only come here now and then to bash the game with lies and misinformation. At least she is trying to be constructive and work positively for the community.

Rule #1 in a debate... never use assumptions if you don't want them to backfire on you.

The rest of your post doesn't deserve an answer, since I would have to repeat what I've said in my previous post. Yes, you're doing something wrong if you need to "grind" events to level. If you play the game right, you never have to do the same event twice on a character. If you play the game wrong, like a WoW clone, which the game is NOT, then indeed you will encounter the boredom the WoW clone playstyle engenders. It's up to you, it's not the game's fault.

 

Originally posted by Aerowyn

... don't see how talking about games you like and are interested in is a "pattern"

It's is a pattern... but a very positive one. Instead of trying to "bury" the games you dislike because you somehow think they don't deserve to be praised or even just to exist, you discuss the games you enjoy. If more people would use your posting habits as example on this site, these forums would be a much better place. Those who try to lecture you on your posting habits actually should use you as an example for theirs. Me included, most likely.

Sorry for another OT post, Aerowyn, but each time you post something positive, you get bashed by the same usual suspects, mostly with nonsense and misinformation or opinions presented as facts, along with the usual very convenient reading comprehension failure, and I just can't stand it. See you around.

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  Bad.dog

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2/13/13 5:19:51 PM#59
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Omnifish

 

Utter bullshit, honest I get sick and tried of people like you saying, 'your doing it wrong', as some catch all defence when you feel threatened. if I'm in Kessex Hills and I decide to level up in that area you reckon I could level up from level 15-25 via just hearts and one or two events and avoid the story quests? You need to repeat stuff to be within a level or two to have a chance at the later zone heart quests.  Trying to make out that you only need to do stuff like events once is just outright lies.

 

Actually you are wrong here ...I levelled up three characters and never duplicated a zone or repeated a heart quest or DE and never did any personal story past level 10.... although I did bring all my characters to Lion's Arch just for convenience sake. Not sure what all the hostility is about on your end?....I don't think you did it wrong , you just didn't do it right !!

  Aerowyn

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OP  2/13/13 5:28:59 PM#60
Originally posted by Bad.dog
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Omnifish

 

Utter bullshit, honest I get sick and tried of people like you saying, 'your doing it wrong', as some catch all defence when you feel threatened. if I'm in Kessex Hills and I decide to level up in that area you reckon I could level up from level 15-25 via just hearts and one or two events and avoid the story quests? You need to repeat stuff to be within a level or two to have a chance at the later zone heart quests.  Trying to make out that you only need to do stuff like events once is just outright lies.

 

Actually you are wrong here ...I levelled up three characters and never duplicated a zone or repeated a heart quest or DE and never did any personal story past level 10.... although I did bring all my characters to Lion's Arch just for convenience sake. Not sure what all the hostility is about on your end?....I don't think you did it wrong , you just didn't do it right !!

not only that you could level a character doing just WvW and after a few characters you could level to 80 just crafting if you wanted and had the resources for it.. as an altaholic this aspect of GW2 is one of my favorites by far.. i can easily level mutliple characters and not see any of the same content if I don't want to.. and if I get bored with anything pretty much everything gives GOOD xp so i just change up what i'm doing.. hell just wandering around get vistas, collecting nodes and world completion nets a lot of xp

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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