Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by korent1991

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Originally posted by Stryx74     Hopefully this can save much time and heartache for those planning on jumping ship from there current MMO. Turn back NOW!    But seriously, EVE is a pretty niche MMO that would never grab the kind of player numbers that a game like WoW  would generate no matter how more user friendly/easier they made it. The game has a dedicated fan base that has enabled CCP to develop it for almost ten years all while making a profit. I only played the game for a few months but I hope they never listen to you and alienate that base in exchange for appealing to the masses.

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it's 10 year celebrations this year! :D

 

I'm thinking about reactivating my sub again, they've got a good deal for returners :D

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I thought about playing some eve lately and buying maybe 6 months sub try help me get into it. I saw the 3 month deal and might just get that.

The major issues i usually run into when playing eve:

*The loneliness of space. Don't really run into many ships to do stuff with (i like pve but eve doesn't lend itself to getting some ppl together and running some complexes ect really want to try some incursions but that hasn't come to be either)

*The lack of grind. Might seem silly to some people but i actually miss something to work at with the skill system working at in real time. Theres isk, and rep which are really trivial and something you mostly have to work at solo. Which defeats the purpose of an mmorpg imo.

*Time to progress. I dont like the fact that skills take 2 months to aquire. it makes me feel like i just bought the skill for the price of 2 subs and it gets delivered in 2 months.

I really love this game tho, and wish the company the best of luck hopefully ill return soon...

i guess u want a game like GW2 where a big flashy icon appears sayin team up now to do this...i run level 4s mostly with people. u get 2 maradurs and own then while salvaging at the same time. refine loot and split...rinse and repeat..also in null alot of people run sites with people and complexes etc..also in WH people run sites together as well...people mine together with orcas. dont forget incursions..people still do them. trust me skills dont mean as much as isk...everything from implants to buying research to pos fuel etc cost isk...

Originally posted by Nikky70

Obvious troll is obvious. The next time you want to really troll, may i advise that OP doesent post showing he's a goon.

 

Whats the matter, have you been shouted down on Kugu, eve24 and the mittani.com?

He got a lot of haters to pile on.  Give credit where credit is due.

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Originally posted by shingoukieh
i guess u want a game like GW2 where a big flashy icon appears sayin team up now to do this...

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That's not what im saying at all, Let me try and explain abit better.

Most of the time the only way to determine if there are other people in the system is by local or scanning and not actually seeing them with avatars, When you do run into their avatars I* Find you don't have that interactions like in other mmorpgs where you say "hey, Wana go mine some rocks?" because they usually wana just blow you out of the sky :) or wont interact at all..

Now that's cool, I understand what eve is, and how pvp plays into that.
its like how you describe, You play with corps or a white list of players rather than strangers.

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i run level 4s mostly with people. u get 2 maradurs and own then while salvaging at the same time. refine loot and split...rinse and repeat..

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Which is understandable Not winging about that, that's just how it is.
But it would be nice to be able to search for "randoms" to fill the void when the corp is bizzy.

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also in null alot of people run sites with people and complexes etc..also in WH people run sites together as well...people mine together with orcas. dont forget incursions..people still do them. trust me skills dont mean as much as isk...everything from implants to buying research to pos fuel etc cost isk...

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Ideally that's what i wana do, Get out there in wormhold space and find a great, Easy going corp to do things with.

I really like the idea of being self sufficient out there.

But like you said gona get that cash comming in :)

ya i understand what u mean by local...usually local is quiet outside of major trade hubs...what got me goin in eve when i started was the multiple chat rooms for instance help channel. talk in there and also with the starting npc corp they give great advice. it is hard to make friends in eve due to the potential backstabbing. been playing 3 years and honestly only made like 10 friends. but those 10 friends i consider true friends. basically if i lived in their city we would proly hang out a bit.

I do think a LFG tool would work in this game...so if u were looking for incursion or mission or mining u could find it.  sometimes i find myself in the same jam as you...i was tryin to find an incursion group the other day and hate to revert back to the whole spam LFG  sheild to find one. if u lookin for a corp u can join the corp im in...its small but active..and we run actually play together...

Sounds to me you really wanna like the game but having a hard time getting into it due to the fact u gotta figure out everything yourself. It sucks yeah but only advice i can honestly give is talk to people and find a great corp. Playin the game with great people is the only way to play.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

TL:DR - As an eight year veteran of EVE Online, I can tell you that starting out right now will leave you far behind the power curve.  No matter what line of bullshit anyone feeds you, you won't be able to compete in nearly any  aspect of the game without six months of skill training.

I can sympathize with the OP.  In February of 2005 it was anyone's game.  In February of 2013 it takes a special kind of patience, or complete ignorance of just how low you start off, to even attempt to play the game.

The biggest two things that you'll have to overcome if you want to play EVE are the power creep and the time sink.  It's probably the most time consuming games I have ever played, and I played it almost daily for five years.  It is honestly like having a second job.  In other MMO's, you can start playing and grind your way to max level and then join the ranks of max level players for end game content.  EVE is not like this.  End game content is whatever you decide to do, and it's not weeks away from a new player, it's literally years away.

I got in at nearly ground level, when the game was still in it's infancy and the most players you could find online during peak hours was maybe 15,000.  Back then you didn't need many SP to compete with other players.  These days players have so many support skills and high level weapon skills, that a new player is little more than cannon fodder.

It requires an enormous investment in time no matter what you decide to do in game, and on top of that, pretty much anything that you decide to do already has dozens of people doing it  far more efficiently than you.  This doesn't mean that you will never be as efficient, but you have an uphill battle against players who have hundreds of millions of skill points and hundreds of billions of ISK like myself.

For instance, if you want to become a manufacturer in the game, then you'll spend months or years just building up the skills.  Then you have to research blueprints or purchase researched blueprints neither of which is cheap.  Then you need a source of materials to manufacture with.  Are you going to mine the minerals yourself or buy them?  Buying them will cut heavily into your profit margin, but mining them yourself will require you owning multiple accounts that do nothing but mine all day in order to feed your manufacturing character with free materials.

Then you'll have to set up some kind of production line, which requires a fair amount of capital investment.  Even when you've done all of this, you're still competing with dozens of guys who have been doing it for a decade, who have unlimited capital and unlike you, they can spend two months selling ships at a loss in your territory, just to push you out of the business cause you can't afford to take losses.  That's just for T1 manufacturing.  T2 manufacturing is a whole different level of skills and resources needed, and even then you're competing with people who have T2 BPO's which you simply will not ever have.

Want to PVP?  Sure everyone will tell you that you can spend a month training and become a tackler, but honestly people only tell you that because tackler is a high risk job in PVP, that more often than not will lead to you being dead and podded.  They don't want to be the guy who ends up dead and podded so they tell all the new players that they can easily get into PVP if they'll just learn to tackle. 

Are you solo PVP'ing?  Well you'll need a good two years of training before you will even come close to winning a fight against my seven year old dedicated PVP'er.  Not only do I have all of my gunnery skills, even the advanced ones, trained to 5, but all of my support skills are trained to five.  In the same exact ship as you, I'm faster, I can travel that fast for longer than you, I'm more agile, my guns shoot further, my guns track better, my guns do far more dps, I have far more capacitor to work with, my drones are faster, my drones are more durable, my un-bonused drones probaby do more DPS than your T1 guns, and oh by the way, I also have an off grid alt in a T3 ship providing gang bonus's to my main.  Most of the time, I can even beat you if I'm flying an Assault Frig and you're flying a Battleship.  You simply won't have the advantages that I have.  My Assault Frig has years of skills behind it, and your Battleship probably doesn't have T2 guns much less a T2 tank without a good six months invested in the game, and that's if you have enough discipline to train only one races ships.

In order to be effective in EVE at this point, you will have to have the patience to specialize your character to do exactly one thing extremely well.  You will have to pick something like ECM and train exclusively to fly ECM ships to the best of your ability, before you should think about flying something else.  Why?  Because there are hundreds of people who can already fly ECM ships at max skill level.  You can try to do a lot of things all at once, but honestly at this point in the game, you'll be shitty at a lot of things instead of good at one thing.

I know this post sounds like you shouldn't even bother with playing EVE, if you're just starting out now.  I'm not trying to say that, I'm just pointing out the reality of the game currently.  You can still be a valuable asset to a corporation one day, but it won't happen overnight.  It will take patience and dedication and a ton of work.

Well said  and completly agree I am a 9 yr off and on player.

I started in beta, and you guys are wrong. You are sooooo wrong. I live in WH space and do PvP. We have taken in players as young as 3 months and they kill shit just fine.

What is killing EvE is the Elitist notion that was once represented by BoB and now (lol oh the irony) the Goons, that you need to have certain skills and fly specific ships to be usefull. The notion that you have to be "effective" to play. No, you need balls to play. Truth is that a n00b with balls have no problem taking down those "elite", "effective" and "specialized" players. I see it happen every day.

Its just wrong. Do youself a favor and leave those big 0.0 outfits and go play in the TRUE eve of low/WH/factional warfare. Thats where the fun is these days.

Originally posted by shingoukieh

I do think a LFG tool would work in this game...so if u were looking for incursion or mission or mining u could find it.  sometimes i find myself in the same jam as you...i was tryin to find an incursion group the other day and hate to revert back to the whole spam LFG  sheild to find one. if u lookin for a corp u can join the corp im in...its small but active..and we run actually play together...

Funny story. The EvE fleet finder IS a LFG tool. And NOONE use it...

I have been playing Eve for 5 years here are tips for new players from my 5 years experience .

1. Don't ever trust anyone in eve .

2. Never fly alone 

3 . What you do in Eve now will bennifit you 6 months after you do it.

4. Learn the mechanics of the game with good planning you can make serious ISK.

5. Play the market and profit from people's laziness.

6. If its too good to be true it often is

7. Do all the tutorials and never auto pilot anywhere.

8. Don't fly what you can't afford to replace.

9. Don't go to null sec until you can tackle in a frigate 

10. Learn to manufacture it save a lot of ship replacements

I did fine in Nullsec after playing for 6 months 0.o

You only need a battlecruiser. This means you gave incorrect information. You dont need to play tons to get to that point thats why skills train when your logged off.

Originally posted by cyrician

I have been playing Eve for 5 years here are tips for new players from my 5 years experience .

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8. Don't fly what you can't afford to replace.

(...)

most important part.

anyway, there are ways to get into pvp fast, you need a decent "guild" tho. one that will grant you base ships for pvp (because that's what they focus on).

anyway, yes it takes some time till you get into "pvp", and that's why you SHOULD play eve actually :P

Originally posted by Skooma2
The OP makes a point, albeit unintentionally, that you can never really catch up to those who have been around a long time.  And, that is what is keeping me from even trying the game.   I wouldn't join a marathon where all the other runners have had a 15 mile head start.

this is basically not true and a common missunderstanding of how eve works.

a new player will not catch up to the total amount of skillpoints (SP's) of a veteran player that is true BUT it doesn't matter in the end.

the ship you fly determines your role no matter if you have 50, 100 or 200 mio SP's there is just a little SP's out of these that make me better at flying a ship i am currently in. there is hardly any ship that on it's own would take forever for a new player to reach, it's just the privileg of being able to fly more and more variants that takes forever but that's why i even after years still look forward to getting skills done, not that i use all the ships i could fly :P

so if you start now, look at the ships you'd like and work towards them there is a few that you can fly as good as a veteran player after a few weeks, others after a few months and a few more would take a year or more. sure for all you'd need 20+ years or something like that but yet most forget that in all ships you skill towards to and you have "learned" you are as good as a veteran player. a lot of the everyday fights are in ships you can fly quite fast.

sure eve is not like most games and encourages you to stay longer to  make the most out of it but it's the only game i have been with for more than 7 years...i mean i get older and want to play games that challenge me on my level and not games that get more and more tweaked towards 3 year olds :) in my book noone that loves mmo's should miss out on eve tho the first 3-4 months are a bit of a pain :)

Originally posted by cyrician

1. Don't ever trust anyone in eve .

2. Never fly alone 

This... does not compute.

Originally posted by Krematory

Originally posted by cyrician

1. Don't ever trust anyone in eve .

2. Never fly alone 

This... does not compute.

it leaves a lot out, sure, you should never trust blindly, but Eve is not a solo game, being in a corporation, and in turn, a corporation being in an alliance with other corporations, is a big thing. And while you can do quite a few things solo, its not really the point of the game as such, probably why a lot of themepark gamers have trouble with Eve, their so used to doing the solo thing that they have trouble when it comes to working with others, being a part of something. Basically if your a 'billy no mates' then Eve may well not be your game, though it might break people of the solo habit, or just break them.

the OP springs to mind here

Originally posted by RedMachine72
EVE gives you immersion. Plain and simple.

100% agreed... 

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

Nice troll Goonswarm lol.

People look at the bee smoking a cigar see it as their signature ? Thats the Goonswarm alliance logo. Don't listen to them they like to troll forums and post shit.

Originally posted by Krematory
How do goons manage to induce tears and rage so easily? This post made my day :-)

thanks...rage is such an easy thing to do

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Originally posted by Olgark

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

 

 

Nice troll Goonswarm lol.

People look at the bee smoking a cigar see it as their signature ? Thats the Goonswarm alliance logo. Don't listen to them they like to troll forums and post shit.

dont know if its intentional but his bee + avatar make he looks like a retarded 10 year fat girl

Originally posted by ssunatzu

Originally posted by Krematory
How do goons manage to induce tears and rage so easily? This post made my day :-)

thanks...rage is such an easy thing to do

Goonswarm Recruitment Video

 

I really miss the old SeBo and Torp splosion graphics...  :/