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  leinad312

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2/09/13 8:32:35 PM#141
The lack of trinity was a big reason why I never got into the dungeons in GW2. I didn't have the patience to learn such a drastically different group dynamic.

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  Aerowyn

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2/09/13 8:35:13 PM#142
Originally posted by nolic1

I have read this whole post and it makes me laugh so many of you say you like the trinty but yet you dont play games with it you jump on one game that tryed to break from the normal trinty and add something new. Thats why most dont like GW2 is its different to a point that most only go one way and thats DPS and thats not totaly true I run a mesmer that is support/control and a little DPS but I mostly run support/control with them I do this on most of my characters cause it works for me. On my engineer I run a dps/support role and dont die hardly at all. On my Guardian I run a control/dps roles and almost never die and thats cause I set may traits and stats to fit my play style instead of following the FOTM which is a cheap way for players to try to be the best.

 

I think that most games that offer a simular set up where you can make you character to your liking through stats and traits or whatever the company wants to name them it makes the character more unique and not just a cookie cutter set-up like most players want you to be and this has been this way in almost every mmo sense EQ and even happened in UO alot and I never follow that play style cause I preffer different and then companys changed the stats to meet the class and took away alot of uniqueness from players and now we have the FOTM built in to our characters so much to most thats the normal and its not for me. 

 

I stick to GW2 because I can be different then the same class I am grouped with and to this day I have only met one other mesmer that plays simular to me and thats felt odd. Just because in EQ my wife played a cleric that out tanked almost all tanks we grouped with or out healed most clerics does not mean she was playing wrong she was playing how she liked to play and just because I could tank and heal with a bard in EQ did not mean I played wrong its how I set my toon up for my playstyle. Even in WoW my NIghtelf Prist with mace and shield stood in the fight with my wifes pally because I made my toon that way to do that untill they changed it then we quit. I have done the same in almost every mmo I have played and makes me enjoy GW2 even more and cant wait for more games to come out that let you creat your character as you play and not force you into a certain play style.

that's another thing that bothers me about some trinity games is the lack of being able to make your character feel unique.. although I did  enjoy Rift because i could put together a workable soul combo and mix and match skills that was't the fotm and worked well.. i do the same in gw2.. as long as the game gives you the flexability to stand out in how you play and gives you options so you are not the exact same as the 1000 other people of your same class i'm usually happy holy trinity or not

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  Derros

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2/09/13 8:40:58 PM#143

I do find that I'm missing the trinity.  Make it like Rift only have every class able to fill all the roles, each with their own unique flavor, and then let people gravitate to what they like best. 

 

GW2 is fine, but it just seems very, i dont know, zergy.  I mean there is a reason why the vast majority of the groups go for Ascalon Catacombs or CoF, they're quick and easy.

  bingbongbros

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2/09/13 8:44:10 PM#144
I thought I wouldn't mind gw2 without the trinity because its been so many years with it, but it turns out I like games with the trinity more.  I like defined roles and classes.  I tried to force a healer spec in gw2 but it is so subpar it's almost useless.

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  Quirhid

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2/09/13 8:44:44 PM#145

Lets make this clear: Any multiplayer game with any kind of specialization will have roles. Be that martial-magic to shotguns-snipers.

I just don't want the aggro mechanics, because it makes combat predictable and formulaic -> boring.

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  Quirhid

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2/09/13 8:46:50 PM#146
Originally posted by bingbongbros
I thought I wouldn't mind gw2 without the trinity because its been so many years with it, but it turns out I like games with the trinity more.  I like defined roles and classes.  I tried to force a healer spec in gw2 but it is so subpar it's almost useless.

Thats because full healer spec was inteded to be subpar. They tried to make you move from reactive defense to proactive defense - repairing damage to actively avoiding damage. Healing is quite frankly the easiest and dumbest form of defense there is. No offense meant.

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  dreamscaper

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2/09/13 8:49:10 PM#147
Originally posted by aSynchro

I'd also like to point that trinity prevents players from being together.  What do you prefer to hear :

Ultima Online, EVE, Guild Wars 2: "hey, sure: join us and lets have fun together!"

or :

Trinity based MMORPG: "mmh, sorry: we only need a tank/healer now..."

?

 

The lack of trinity doesn't prevent this in GW2. Go over to gw2lfg.com and you'll see tons of posts requesting Warriors or Guardians specifically.

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  Jockan

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2/09/13 8:50:00 PM#148
I dont know about the whole trinity thing but I like having a dedicated role in a group. I remeber before this game even launched I said the system would not work.

  Aerowyn

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2/09/13 8:55:20 PM#149
Originally posted by Mannish
I dont know about the whole trinity thing but I like having a dedicated role in a group. I remeber before this game even launched I said the system would not work.

yet it works great once people learn how to play the 3 roles simultaneously gw2 offers in combat:) just not everyone is willing to learn a new way.. which is fine many like what they are familiar with..

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  chaintm

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2/09/13 8:55:23 PM#150
After actually playing two games now without the trinity, I Definitly want it back ,call it preference, it seems once you take the trinity out, my fav class Healer & Pally goes poof!

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  Zeroxin

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2/09/13 8:57:30 PM#151
Why isn't there an option for "I don't care either way"? Because really, I don't care either way. 

This is not a game.

  Quirhid

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2/09/13 8:59:01 PM#152
Originally posted by Zeroxin
Why isn't there an option for "I don't care either way"? Because really, I don't care either way. 

Because it is a forced binary choice.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  xmenty

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2/09/13 9:00:17 PM#153

Well, I prefer anything beside trinity.

Trinity is most dull ass concept in MMO that kill innovative.

I hate playing a SOP ( Standard Operation Procedure ) gameplay. 

A lot of people forget that game is an entertainment media not a lab test for monkey that do the same repitition shit,

day and night.

GW2 did not do a good job because they never put much effort in their Mob AI and the combat get old after awhile. 

Someone should try to do the Dark Soul gameplay.

 

 

Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  Zeroxin

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2/09/13 9:01:28 PM#154
Originally posted by dreamscaper
Originally posted by aSynchro

I'd also like to point that trinity prevents players from being together.  What do you prefer to hear :

Ultima Online, EVE, Guild Wars 2: "hey, sure: join us and lets have fun together!"

or :

Trinity based MMORPG: "mmh, sorry: we only need a tank/healer now..."

?

 

The lack of trinity doesn't prevent this in GW2. Go over to gw2lfg.com and you'll see tons of posts requesting Warriors or Guardians specifically.

Those are the kinds of people you don't want to play with because they don't understand the game. Or they just want what they consider to be the easiest way which is not necessarily the case.

This is not a game.

  Omnifish

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2/09/13 9:04:32 PM#155

Essentially it's a group role situation. In that enviroment everyone needs a job to fufil to complete an encounter, (that they wouldn't be able to do on their own). This feeds directly into what appeals to humans as social animals, fufilling a need within a group to prosper together.

GW2 takes this idea and gives a twist to it, and that twist is a double edged sword. Basically your responsible for yourself at all times.

With noone healing or tanking, (realistically)), encounters mean that knwoing your class inside out and selecting skills correctly is key.  At best everyone supports each other and deals with any unexpected issues well.  At worst people either deck themselves to survive or max dps and ignore the rest of the group.

I think a trinity is useful for those who aren't interested in maximising their class, and there are plenty of them in many games.  It makes it easier for those of us who are intterested in that because the more casual player has archetypes to fall back on that doesn't ruin our progression so much.

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  Alber_gamer

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2/09/13 9:05:28 PM#156

From a hardcore raider/PvP'er point of view, GW2 didn't change anything.

 

I don't want the Holy Trinity back, because I never gave it up to start with.

My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.

  someforumguy

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2/09/13 9:08:59 PM#157

No. I'm totally sick of the aggromagnet group mechanics. I always thought that this was very silly to begin with.

However, this doesn't mean that I don't want any specialisation. I just don't want to see MANDATORY specialisation. That just makes creating groups a chore and poses also a problem with players individually, if an available group has no place for their class.

I always see discussion about trinity vs hybrid. But that is not the problem most of the time imo. Also not in GW2's case.

- I suspect that many players who want holy trinity back, it is not so much the holy trinity and mandatory classes they want back. But they want to get rid of the twitch based combat and prefer easy skill rotations instead. No thinking outside of the box required.

- Related to the point above. Majority of players does not want actual challenge in encounters. I am not talking about the challenge of repetition ('working for it' lol), but player skill. Dps in classic holy trinity is like that. It is the tank who usually leads the party and needs to know the encounters best. Healers have to fight chaos in a group with some players not paying attention to their hp bar (always is the case). But dps can just tag along most of the time. This last role fits the profile of most players in MMO's. This is also why the same type of player always need the lfg tools. Those players will not create their own groups. And why do you think  there is always a lack of tanks and healers? Because, most players just want to tag along as dps at their leasure.

- Then specifically GW2 related : GW2 made the mistake to create a poor compromise with their combat mechanics. Player skill is not enough. Gear is still very important. I'm pretty sure they did this to cater to both type of players. Twitchbased and oldschool MMO. This makes their dungeon some weird combination of oldschool and twitchbased. Somehow both playertypes don't feel at home in them because of this.
  Aodhan

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2/09/13 9:12:57 PM#158

For all you ppl that want the heal/tank class back including myself, Stop supporting the games that are released without.

Simple money speaks.

look at the numbers in this poll a pretty good example that we are not in the minority as some would like you to beleave.

Sticking with Vanguard till something better comes along.

  Aerowyn

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2/09/13 9:15:17 PM#159
Originally posted by Aodhan

For all you ppl that want the heal/tank class back including myself, Stop supporting the games that are released without.

Simple money speaks.

look at the numbers in this poll a pretty good example that we are not in the minority as some would like you to beleave.

Sticking with Vanguard till something better comes along.

if my time at mmorpg.com has taught me anything the "majority" here is generally never what the general masses wants or feels in terms of pretty much anything

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  someforumguy

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2/09/13 9:17:46 PM#160
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Aodhan

For all you ppl that want the heal/tank class back including myself, Stop supporting the games that are released without.

Simple money speaks.

look at the numbers in this poll a pretty good example that we are not in the minority as some would like you to beleave.

Sticking with Vanguard till something better comes along.

if my time at mmorpg.com has taught me anything the "majority" here is generally never what the general masses wants or feels in terms of pretty much anything

I agree. I also suspect that the majority doesn't care either way about the OP's question. They probably find a lfg more important then what the combat mechanics are about.

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