Personally I'm a fan of the F2P and B2P models.  The way I see it F2P games will bifurcate into a list of quick, cheap, easy development games that are desgined to "trick" you out of some cash before you get bored and quit them and games that are better thought out - with more time  and effort spent in their development -  in order to be good enough to maintain a population that likes the game well enough that they choose to support it by buying the newest, fanciest hats in the cash shop.  Of course, there will always be those who say, "F2P?!?!?  I'll nevar giv dem anee of mah moneez!"  But I think that for well developed games there will be enough people (like myself) who are willing to spend a bit of cash on frivilous cosmetic items to support the game.

Personally I'm looking forward to both Neverwinter and Pathfinder (D&D fan, obviously) and if the game is fun (and the F2P monetization model isn't inconvenient) I will support them with my money.

people dont seem to realize that you cannot run a server based mmo without a source of income. the fact is simple. mmo servers use bandwidth. bandwidth cost money. without a steady income, a company would have to lose money each month paying for isp bandwidth. last i heard company's are not in buiness to go broke.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Isturi

Good advise for posting is doing research. I did and the link is all that is said on the closing of Outspark. So not much to go on for research by all means if you find more feel free to post.

These games change hands a lot more often than you think. Aeria picked up IJJI's titles not that long ago. K2 Networks (Gamers1st) built an empire on buying up games in their entirety or just to localize for a region.

 No Domino effect?? OK if that is not then I dont know what is??

I shutter to think just how often they do change hands, Kind of reminds me of a defaulted student loan or a bad debt go figure.

I shutter to keep out the wind and rain. Sometimes to adjust exposure.

It's rare to find a house with working shutters these days. Most are just decorative. I'd like to have functioning ones when we re-side the house.

Originally posted by Karu403

people dont seem to realize that you cannot run a server based mmo without a source of income. the fact is simple. mmo servers use bandwidth. bandwidth cost money. without a steady income, a company would have to lose money each month paying for isp bandwidth. last i heard company's are not in buiness to go broke.

 

FTP business models can generate more profit than monthly sub fee can if done right. But you'd know that if you've done any research.

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

You probably go the smart route and buy expansions, correct?

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.

I disagree.

If a gamers objective is to be #1 , then mmorpgs aren't that gamer. Mmo's are social, political and group oriented.  Think that is one of the core problems with the current market is tha it just wants to be a single player standalone game that can charge for a monthly fee, aka SWTOR, instead of creating a climatic worl d where everyone can partake in the fun. Guild Wars 2  has started the mechanics of open world events much like Rift, until devs build on that kind of dynamic world system, making it more impactful in the games then world, then yes the above poster would be correct.

THe OP's games where as generic as they come, it people still think it is a big deal ? Where was all the fuss for  Shadowbane ?

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

 

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.

I disagree.

Everyone that runs a successful F2P game disagrees, too. It won't stop those attached to their favorite talking points from believing what they want, though.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Isturi

Good advise for posting is doing research. I did and the link is all that is said on the closing of Outspark. So not much to go on for research by all means if you find more feel free to post.

These games change hands a lot more often than you think. Aeria picked up IJJI's titles not that long ago. K2 Networks (Gamers1st) built an empire on buying up games in their entirety or just to localize for a region.

 No Domino effect?? OK if that is not then I dont know what is??

I shutter to think just how often they do change hands, Kind of reminds me of a defaulted student loan or a bad debt go figure.

I shutter to keep out the wind and rain. Sometimes to adjust exposure.

It's rare to find a house with working shutters these days. Most are just decorative. I'd like to have functioning ones when we re-side the house.

LMAO you are absoultly right in your comparison of cheap shutters that dont work i.e. Cheap F2P MMO's vs functioning shutters. i.e P2P or B2P MMO's nicely done.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

 

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

 

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

 

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

Originally posted by Cod_Eye

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Cod_Eye

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.

Only the strong survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Cod_Eye

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.

Only the stron survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

What does f2p have anything to do with games shuting down.  If sub based game can shutdown, why not f2p?

Unless you mean f2p games are doing so much better than p2p that it is impossible for them to fail, and that don't makes sense too.