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  Murugan

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2/07/13 2:43:43 PM#41
Originally posted by Daxamar
Originally posted by Murugan

I found FFXIV (after Yoshida took over) to have great developer contact with the English speaking community.  But unlike many Korean games the FF online games are not seperate versions of the game for the Japanese and the world communities.

 

I can understand the art complaints if you don't like an art style like I don't particularly like the art style of guild wars, world of warcraft, aion, or Lord of the Rings Online it is hard to get over that.

 

But the complaints of grinding, lack of content, etc. as being a norm in asian developed MMO's I think is taking liberties with stereotyping.  How anyone can look at a game like FFXI and say it lacks content just has no credibility in speaking on the subject of MMO's.

Arent the FF games made in Japan?

Yeah I mean I pointed out that I thought.  Japan is in Asia though, are people only having problems with Chinese and Korean made MMO's?

 

Originally posted by Burntvet
Many people in Asia like to eat/have steamed buns and rice gruel for breakfast. In the West, people like pancakes, eggs and toast. I don't care how "good" the rice gruel is, I don't like rice gruel. Even "good" rice gruel is bad to me for breakfast. I don't care how many people like rice gruel or tell me to like rice gruel. I don't like rice gruel. In the same way, tastes differ for MMOs. I don't care how flashy a new Korean/Chinese MMO is, because by and large, they are very similar in gameplay, mechanics, and grind to the ones that came before. And seeing the 100th version of basically the same Asian MMO is not going to change that. (I just tried Age of Wushu for a couple weeks, and it had most of the same failings of other games of the same ilk.)

What is the implication here that "Asians" just have different tastes than people in the West?

 

Have you ever had Grits?  They are disgusting, should we not enjoy any form of entertainment that derives from Grit eating lands?  Your whole post just reaks of racism, and maybe that wasn't your intention but the implication is just that.  Korean people and Chinese people, and Japanese people all have varying tastes in video games etc.  Any gamer older than 15-16 years old should have fond memories of playing Nintendo/Sega/Sony classics which were developed in Asian countries so your whole "Asians just have incompatable palletes for all things when compared to Western audiences" is more than ridiculous, it is taking stereotyping based on a few free to play MMO's you played (a genre of MMO of which there is plenty of trash in the West too) and applying it to all people in Asia.

 

It just boggles my mind, and if you aren't racist I can't fathom why you lump billions of people together and write them off in such a way especially with such a demeaning comparison using rice gruel as your example of how Asian people are "just different".

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  DamonVile

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2/07/13 2:50:51 PM#42
Originally posted by Kazuhiro

This is why I hate them. You know, you'd think with asian's being so far ahead of everyone in math and physics that they would be a "little" more down to earth in the understanding of gravity/weight/mass etc.


 

Yeah next time you're standing in front of a 50 foot tall demon blocking his hits with your " correctly sized and weighted " sword let me know what you think of how great western games are on math and physics.

 

  Lovely_Laly

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2/07/13 4:32:33 PM#43

according to OP logic, the worst example of Asian bad game is European, now NA, runescape.

full of bugs, cheat users and just not banned bots, it has worst ever support (if we can call it as such) and very poor account security (or I don't know why this game has so many hacks).

plus it also has non realistic graphic (I don't mind btw as it Java based game) and unseen grindfest.

BUT

this game has years of success and still have lot of subs.


May be we should stop being racist and generalize all. May be we should just admit, are good games and bad games, independently where they were made.

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  aRtFuLThinG

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2/07/13 4:37:17 PM#44

The problem with Asian MMOs in the West is, the ones that they try to the West are not the same ones that Asian themselves play a lot of times.

 

For example there is no western version of the historical ones like Three Kingdoms and Nobanaga's Ambition because I think they assumed that you guys a) would not understand or have knowledge in the settings, b) would not be interested in the settings and c) it is not going to sell well in the west and you ain't gonna spend money on something you don't understand/can't relate to. Thus they don't bother with translating it and releasing it in the West.

 

So in a way that makes some of the Asian MMOs that are exclusively for Asian markets a lot better made than the ones that they have plans to release to the West.

 

In a way it is a similar situation to how Japanese keeps all the good electronics and best spec cars sells in the country and only sell to the west the lower model, because they can't envision you guys spending 100k on a Honda.

 

I think if the West is looking for good mmos from the East, Russia and Eastern Europe will be the place to look for, instead of Asia - because there is a lot more similiarities to the Western cultures compare to Asia and also Russia and Eastern Europe has a lot weaker domestic markets than Asia and do not hesitate to sell to the west.

 

PS: Asian here and have worked many years in Asia before so I know the mentality.

  Burntvet

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Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2775

2/07/13 10:39:53 PM#45
Originally posted by Murugan
Originally posted by Daxamar
Originally posted by Murugan

I found FFXIV (after Yoshida took over) to have great developer contact with the English speaking community.  But unlike many Korean games the FF online games are not seperate versions of the game for the Japanese and the world communities.

 

I can understand the art complaints if you don't like an art style like I don't particularly like the art style of guild wars, world of warcraft, aion, or Lord of the Rings Online it is hard to get over that.

 

But the complaints of grinding, lack of content, etc. as being a norm in asian developed MMO's I think is taking liberties with stereotyping.  How anyone can look at a game like FFXI and say it lacks content just has no credibility in speaking on the subject of MMO's.

Arent the FF games made in Japan?

Yeah I mean I pointed out that I thought.  Japan is in Asia though, are people only having problems with Chinese and Korean made MMO's?

 

Originally posted by Burntvet
Many people in Asia like to eat/have steamed buns and rice gruel for breakfast. In the West, people like pancakes, eggs and toast. I don't care how "good" the rice gruel is, I don't like rice gruel. Even "good" rice gruel is bad to me for breakfast. I don't care how many people like rice gruel or tell me to like rice gruel. I don't like rice gruel. In the same way, tastes differ for MMOs. I don't care how flashy a new Korean/Chinese MMO is, because by and large, they are very similar in gameplay, mechanics, and grind to the ones that came before. And seeing the 100th version of basically the same Asian MMO is not going to change that. (I just tried Age of Wushu for a couple weeks, and it had most of the same failings of other games of the same ilk.)

What is the implication here that "Asians" just have different tastes than people in the West?

 

Have you ever had Grits?  They are disgusting, should we not enjoy any form of entertainment that derives from Grit eating lands?  Your whole post just reaks of racism, and maybe that wasn't your intention but the implication is just that.  Korean people and Chinese people, and Japanese people all have varying tastes in video games etc.  Any gamer older than 15-16 years old should have fond memories of playing Nintendo/Sega/Sony classics which were developed in Asian countries so your whole "Asians just have incompatable palletes for all things when compared to Western audiences" is more than ridiculous, it is taking stereotyping based on a few free to play MMO's you played (a genre of MMO of which there is plenty of trash in the West too) and applying it to all people in Asia.

 

It just boggles my mind, and if you aren't racist I can't fathom why you lump billions of people together and write them off in such a way especially with such a demeaning comparison using rice gruel as your example of how Asian people are "just different".

Whatever man, I lived in Asia for several years and speak a couple of the languages and know the people, and YES, tastes are different there as compared to the West. That is especially true in S.Korea and Taiwan as applied to gaming... they LIKE very grindy MMOs there (and Starcraft). Mostly because kids hang out in PC bangs a lot more than kids do in the West. (And as to rice gruel or porridge, it is a common breakfast dish in Skorea, Thailand, China, and Japan, as I have seen it in all of those places. So the comparison is not out of bounds. It is not "racist", whatever that means, it is an actual fact.)

 

  Torvaldr

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2/07/13 11:00:28 PM#46

I find it odd to generalize an entire continent like that.

My first game was Lineage and I loved it.  I like Aion, but didn't really want to pvp anymore.  Enter Tera, which I think is awesome, and I have the combat I love without having to pvp if I don't want to.  I love grinding mobs, farming drops, and item crafting/enchanting.

I'm also a jrpg style game fan (whether they're true Japanese rpgs or made in that style from other countries).  I like anime too.

Each to their own though.  As long as I can play the game I'm happy.  You don't have to like it.

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  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1310

2/07/13 11:14:41 PM#47

some of you yelling about the OP here being racist or generalizing are missing his point i think . Hes trying to be politically correct with it. I know i do not tend to care one bit for asian mmorpgs either but thats because every week there is some garbage POS mmo coming out of some asian country that is basically just made to make money and nothing more. There is some solid asian games out there to , Tera and Aion being great examples but lets be real both of them are now free to play and never held a huge western audience. The artstyle while beautiful in both of those games its still an aquired taste. L2 did do very well over here though and is worth mentioning. But I think if a terrible cash grab mmo didnt come out of asia every week people would have a better opinion of asian mmorpgs.

Hell to be honest I played two different korean grinders that both literally stole the sound sets from world of warcraft and I actually reported them to blizzard sending them the files so they could see for themselves. You cannot tell me that isnt a cash grab and thieft. If less shady sleezy asian companies would stop sending so much garbage and publishers like Aeria and Gpotato stopped picking them up trying to make a buck than a lot of people including myself would praise the great ones that do come out of asia.

  Kazuhiro

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2/08/13 9:30:49 AM#48
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Kazuhiro

This is why I hate them. You know, you'd think with asian's being so far ahead of everyone in math and physics that they would be a "little" more down to earth in the understanding of gravity/weight/mass etc.


Maybe that's one of the reasons they don't do too well here - we've got one view of How Things Should Be in an MMO and anything that violates that is summarily rejected.

Likely true. My issue isn't with game mechanics, just the art style and such really. If that was say a massive person wielding that sword, I'd have no issue with it, or say if she was wearing a exoskeletal frame, I guess I just want "SOME" form of grounding in the basic principles of reality. Otherwise I can't connect to it, and it ruins ALL sense of immersion in the game world. It's one thing to have the character be some sort of higher being posessing godlike strength, it's another completely when the person wielding such objects is portrayed as just an average joe.

PS: I did look for a even more profound picture I saw a year ago of a frail 5 year old girl weilding a semi-truck sized axe. It made me want to punch an artist.

Originally posted by DamonVile

Yeah next time you're standing in front of a 50 foot tall demon blocking his hits with your " correctly sized and weighted " sword let me know what you think of how great western games are on math and physics.

Oh you'll get no argument here, they piss me off as well. The difference is in the ammount that occurs in each type of game. In western games, thats FAR more rare than in asian games, where it is basically the norm. (Seeing normal sized weapons in an asian game, take a momment and try to recall seeing some... it's ok, no rush... Done? Yeah thats my point.)

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  Dexter2010

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2/08/13 1:02:01 PM#49
I find them far too grindy and that chat channels/mail boxes get so full of gold selling spam that you have no room for anything else. Support wouldn't help, and the ignore feature was useless since new gold selling toons were made daily. At level cap, there's nothing to do except pvp.
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