Originally posted by jpnz

Overreacting implies I am upset at this which if you look at my post isn't.

Is it negative? Sure! Cause a company didn't deliver what they said.

However, that doesn't mean I don't see the logic if people do.

Seriously not understanding why I'm getting shouted at for a negative post. A company didn't do what they said they would do.

Why is anyone having trouble understanding that most reasonable people will not be super-happy about it?

Is it really rocket science? o_O

 

Sorry, but I don't work for GW2 PR; which probably have their hands anyway ever since an ANet dev used the F word on twitter to GW2 players. And then refused to back down. /facepalm

Your consideration for other people is commendable.

Most reasonable people are also logical people that you claim wont be upset (as you arent) and will understand that small delay is nothing to get upset about.

Noone is actually happy with any delay, but in no way most people get overly upset about it so your worries are welcome but unnecessary.

Originally posted by mikahr

 

Your consideration for other people is commendable.

Most reasonable people are also logical people that you claim wont be upset (as you arent) and will understand that small delay is nothing to get upset about.

Noone is actually happy with any delay, but in no way most people get overly upset about it so your worries are welcome but unnecessary.

All my posts were explaining why my OP was negative and why fanboys shouting at people who were upset by this shouldn't shout at them; just look at this thread.

You should keep on speaking for other people by the way. I hear that really convinces people and doesn't come through as arrogant at all. ROFL.

Originally posted by jpnz

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Upcoming-WvW-Updates/first#post1385839

ANet will miss the scheduled WvW update for this month and is now targetting 'March'.

Knowing ANet's schedules and how they managed to keep them (not a whole lot so far), I wouldn't put it pass them to miss the March release as well. Or put it in the game at a broken / buggy state and try to patch it later; 'Culling' comes to mind.

Not sure why ANet consistantly bungles the 'WvW' area so much.

 

Feb is going to be a pretty barren month in terms of new content for GW2 players. Not something I (as a GW2 player) want to hear as I always want to hear 'here's more content / skins / STUFF tomorrow!'

They've been good about meeting their monthly deadlines, actually, so I don't know where that is coming from. The game at release and it's monthly patches have had very few bugs and usually any serious bugs are fixed with in a couple days, if not hours. "Culling. Well, yeah, there are WvW issues with culling, which is one thing they are working on fixing. You lose points for throwing in the the latest watch word for anti-GW2 talking points. Nice heads up for astute readers though.

WvW has not been bungled. A good many people still enjoy it immensly and have been enjoying it since launch. Fixes for the culling issues and new reward structures should give it a large boost of added longevity and play incentive.

February is not going to be a barren month. The living story is supposed to start to get into full swing for February, which is all free content. They may also add to the Laurel vendors. I'm not sure on the timeline for ala carte dailies and Laurels for Achievment Points, but it's possible we might see those in February as well.

I'd much rather have them take the time needed to get the WvW changes working really well than have things rushed.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the post launch development on this MMO is about the best in quality and quantity via free monthly updates out of any AAA MMO ever. Anyone who would complain about what they've been able to accomplish with this game hasn't played many MMOs, or has another agenda.

I doubt seriously we'll see any new metas either which is the biggest thing they advertised in this game it was all about DE metas throughout the prelaunch interviews.

They'll prolly have more fixes for dungeons again. sigh. Definitely NOT the best ever I agree, they could have kept their word about what they'd planned on doing post launch instead of skipping around, focusing on things they said this game would never be, and trying to play catchup eternally by mismanaging their resources.

Originally posted by fiontar

 

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the post launch development on this MMO is about the best in quality and quantity via free monthly updates out of any AAA MMO ever. Anyone who would complain about what they've been able to accomplish with this game hasn't played many MMOs, or has another agenda.

This is a quality post so lets break it down shall we.

'Good at meeting their monthly deadlines'. - How's that "FOV" coming along btw? How's that 'more Ascended gear distribution methods' coming along?

'it's monthly patches have had very few bugs' - You mean like the 'The Lost Shores' event?

'WvW has not been bungled.' - LOLWUT? WvW has been given some god-awful support compared to other areas. When you give advantages to players with 'eye-infinity' with 3 monitors, something's up. When people went and fought the Halloween boss just to fix their FOV before going into WvW so they aren't at a dis-advantaged, something might be up. Just saying. I actually had another player say that seeing more than your opponent is not an advantage which is just 'facepalm' material.

Other than the 'breakout' event, what have they changed? Oh the only other thing they added was 'culling' which is so great. I mean.. yeah.

Only content for Feb that might be possible is the Flame and Frost and even then, ANet hasn't said it'll swing into gear this month.

They added a bunch of daily's; I'll give you that. They added a bunch of dailys.

Originally posted by jpnz

This is a quality post so lets break it down shall we.

'Good at meeting their monthly deadlines'. - How's that "FOV" coming along btw? How's that 'more Ascended gear distribution methods' coming along?

'it's monthly patches have had very few bugs' - You mean like the 'The Lost Shores' event?

'WvW has not been bungled.' - LOLWUT? WvW has been given some god-awful support compared to other areas. When you give advantages to players with 'eye-infinity' with 3 monitors, something's up. When people went and fought the Halloween boss just to fix their FOV before going into WvW so they aren't at a dis-advantaged, something might be up. Just saying. I actually had another player say that seeing more than your opponent is not an advantage which is just 'facepalm' material.

Other than the 'breakout' event, what have they changed? Oh the only other thing they added was 'culling' which is so great. I mean.. yeah.

Only content for Feb that might be possible is the Flame and Frost and even then, ANet hasn't said it'll swing into gear this month.

They added a bunch of daily's; I'll give you that. They added a bunch of dailys.

If you are not satisfied with FREE monthly content updates in B2P game you can always move to sub based 6 months cycle updates game.

Originally posted by xArsonistx

God, I never played a game in which enemys and mobs disappear or don't even render right in front of you. I really just can't wrap my head around this game even making it out of beta just fuckin mind boggling. I have so much hate torwards this game because of culling. Wish I could get my money back. Guess I should look into selling my account.

I never played war or swtor so I didnt know what culling was. Now I know tho and I will never play a game with such a trash feature ever again.

i had similar problems w WOW during its first year of release - due to server lag

being attacked by mobs i couldnt see or mobs corpses not rendering so i couldnt loot them

Hmmm dunno, might be wrong, but this stinks of troll thread miles away ...

childish whine?check ..

"delusional fanbois" offense?check...

pontless hysteria? check

yeah it's a troll all right

I haven't logged in since November, which is a shame because I do like the game.

Anet however, seem to be going the same direction as Trion did with Rift - focussing too much on PvE and not catering enough to the PvP players.

For a lot of people, that may be fine. Myself, I find zero fun in PvE, spent all my time in WvW and just couldn't progress my character any further without being forced to PvE.

So they want to polish the WvW updates... maybe they should have put more resources into it rather than continue to widen the gap between PvP players and PvE.

Originally posted by jacklo

I haven't logged in since November, which is a shame because I do like the game.

Anet however, seem to be going the same direction as Trion did with Rift - focussing too much on PvE and not catering enough to the PvP players.

For a lot of people, that may be fine. Myself, I find zero fun in PvE, spent all my time in WvW and just couldn't progress my character any further without being forced to PvE.

So they want to polish the WvW updates... maybe they should have put more resources into it rather than continue to widen the gap between PvP players and PvE.

Just wait till those are in if you absolutely need those to play it. Noone says you have to play it every day, or even month.

Originally posted by jpnz

Feb is going to be a pretty barren month in terms of new content for GW2 players. Not something I (as a GW2 player) want to hear as I always want to hear 'here's more content / skins / STUFF tomorrow!'

 https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/the-game/releases/february-2013/

Doesn't look very barren to me.....

New sPvP map, more story content, guild missions, 2 team rated pvp and an update to achievements. Yes, so very barren.

GW2 has had more content in its monthly updates than most MMOs manage in 3 months.

They need more time to make sure that the WvW changes are good, get over it.

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by jacklo

I haven't logged in since November, which is a shame because I do like the game.

Anet however, seem to be going the same direction as Trion did with Rift - focussing too much on PvE and not catering enough to the PvP players.

For a lot of people, that may be fine. Myself, I find zero fun in PvE, spent all my time in WvW and just couldn't progress my character any further without being forced to PvE.

So they want to polish the WvW updates... maybe they should have put more resources into it rather than continue to widen the gap between PvP players and PvE.

Just wait till those are in if you absolutely need those to play it. Noone says you have to play it every day, or even month.

Well that's fine, at least I'm not paying while I'm not playing.

Sad though that something that was marketed as a PvP orientated game, just isn't.

Originally posted by NC-John
I don't see any point to this thread. ANet Pretty busy and it seems like they have been listening to their community. I really could see complaints being deserved, but since this is a B2P it's not like you can't take a break on those 80's then show up when they patch it. Plus they have an expansion they have been working hard on, so more good stuff for the fans.

Would that be a PvE expansion?

Go figure.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Volkon

 

I would think the degree of upset a resonable customer might have would be based with the explanation, though, wouldn't you? If they simply said it wouldn't be ready or were going to leave out things promised that would be one thing. However Colin gives a reasonable and detailed explanation of what's going on. I give credit where I see it due, and if it takes a few more weeks for the polish and shine phase to produce a bug-free release I'm willing to give it those few more weeks. Besides, it's hardly worth wasting the emotion over this... it's a release date for a little more content in a game being pushed out by a few weeks. Those kinds of things hardly draw more than a raised eyebrow... certainly not a notable emotional response. Sandy Brook - emotional response. 9/11 - emotional response. GW2 delays WvW update a few weeks... ok, I'll wait.

Telling the customer 'you shouldn't be upset' in this case is probably not going to be accepted by most people.

If a company doesn't meet a deadline that they themselves set, a 'reasonable person' can accept that a customer might be upset.

That doesn't mean one is upset personally but one can understand those that do. Remind me why anyone should be critical of a negatively slanted post? Sorry, but I am not GW2 PR.

 

And did you just compare GW2 to 9/11? What...the... ??? /facepalm

 

It was, admittedly, an extreme example but meant to be an example of things worthy of spending stress and emotion over. Anet saying they're going to take a few more weeks to make sure everything is polished... oh, by the way, Guild Missions!,... isn't one of those things worth freaking out over. 

Originally posted by jacklo

Well that's fine, at least I'm not paying while I'm not playing.

Sad though that something that was marketed as a PvP orientated game, just isn't.

I almost exclusively play PvP and WvWVW at that. So....ehm....yeah.

Originally posted by jacklo

Would that be a PvE expansion?

Go figure.

No, it would be PvP expansion. But its not totally unhealthy to be negative, it can turn out in bigger positive ;P

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by jpnz

Feb is going to be a pretty barren month in terms of new content for GW2 players. Not something I (as a GW2 player) want to hear as I always want to hear 'here's more content / skins / STUFF tomorrow!'

 https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/the-game/releases/february-2013/

Doesn't look very barren to me.....

New sPvP map, more story content, guild missions, 2 team rated pvp and an update to achievements. Yes, so very barren.

GW2 has had more content in its monthly updates than most MMOs manage in 3 months.

They need more time to make sure that the WvW changes are good, get over it.

That's really not true at all. GW2's only proper content patch since launch was the Karka one, everything else was a limited time event that will be recycled every year... Even then the Lost Shores were an empty zone with no real purpose.

I'd suggest you take a look at Rift if you want to see a game that does it well. GW2 is actually shockingly barren in terms of content updates.

This is exactly why people who hate/dislike games or just flat out hardheaded(who love spinning shit negatively) get a bad rep on the interwebz.

Choose your picking and don't bullshit.

Oh oh oh and don't give me that "Well fans are just as worse." bullshit I know that already, the fuck in me to give for that was already given in another thread.

I needed an example of those that hate/dislike or are just hardheaded, it this thread takes that spot.

By the way if I am not correct so help me God, I'll live on the moon, it's normal for patches to be delayed, I mean shit may not be normal but I sure wasn't born yesterday.

Peace and enjoy life fellas.

Originally posted by xArsonistx

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by xArsonistx

Originally posted by Roxtarr

Originally posted by xArsonistx

such a trash game....

- Continual work to re-build the way our game loads models and compresses data, to allow for more visible characters/names in WvW in the long run as we build towards removing as much culling as possible from the game.

God, I never played a game in which enemys and mobs disappear or don't even render right in front of you. I really just can't wrap my head around this game even making it out of beta just fuckin mind boggling. I have so much hate torwards this game because of culling. Wish I could get my money back. Guess I should look into selling my account.

First: This supposed "game-breaking" culling isn't stopping players from playing.  I spent about six hours doing WvW just yesterday.  It's not as bad as some people attempt to paint it.  The disinformation campaign against GW2 is hilarious.

Second: You've already predictied that culling would take "years" to fix.  If GW2 isn't the game for you, that's fine but mud-slinging isn't really necessary.  

I Actually perdict culling will never be fixed not years...thanks tho.

Mud slinging? no Fact slinging? yes. You really think they will ever fix culling? wow bro wow just wow lol. Its a feature its apart of the game the game would explode without culling.

People who believe this crap perpetuate shit. You allow companys to get away with murder and continual churn out poo to gobble up.

As far as keeping my mouth shut I feel obligated to get the word out and warn anyone away from buying this game. Or else I would just be perpetuating poo just like you. If i can stop one person from buying this game then 10x post are worth it.

Gw2 only servers one purpose right now and thats to show TESO and Camelot unchained how not to abysmally fuck up RvRvR

 Do these people even play the game or do they just latch onto the one thing that GW2 fails at?

I rarely see culling in WvW, it wouldnt even be something that happens often enough for me to complain about. I know it exists and they are working on fixing it, but these trolls make it sound like WvW is unplayable.

It is not.

WvW constantly has queues every single night. It is one of the most popular parts of GW2, interest isnt deminishing. It took me 1-3 hours to queue when the game launched, and it still takes me 1-3 hours to queue now.

If culling was such a massive issue, you wouldnt see those numbers. People would just stop playing.

Can't wait til they fix culling so the trolls can go die in a corner somewhere. Although I'm sure they will just switch their focus to ascended items.

Yes I have 40k wvw kills I've been on nearly every #1 server since launch. I think my guilds record in WvW before I quit the game was 60-1? lol. Guess what guild I was in. anywho. You tell me who has more experience with wvw's lulz.

Lets debunk some things here WvW has ques on maybe 3-4 servers in all of NA and thats only during the primetime and maybe the top 3 servers hold ques all week once again only during primetime. Anet recently lowered the map caps to what 50-70 players on the BL's Maybe 100 on EB?  Where are all these players you speak of? Lets do some real fun math

being nice lets say 6 servers take wvw seriously which its prolly only 3 but hey im being nice. lets say 500 people per server for alls bls and EB?? being nice again. thats only 3k players doing wvw every night buddie in all of NA.

If i were to ask you tho 100k people are wvwing....lol.

I guess we prolly have a bit of a different definition when it comes to what is considered successful.

Also culling will never be fixed period never happening plz stop they have even admitted to as much themselves...I wish I could find the quote but it was awhile ago.

 Yes, lets debunk some myths. I play on Sea of Sorrows, in Australian timezones, which most certainly is not US prime time, and always have queues.

I have seen culling probably less than 10 times, and all those times would have made zero difference to the outcome of the fight because it was a huge zerg steamrolling over some small groups.

You later go on to say that you stood in a zerg spamming as an Ele with wind staff AE. Yes you know how to be super successful! Been on every server number 1? Oh you need to server hop to be successful! Tell us more of your amazing success secrets!

The bottom line is that GW2 handles large scale PvP better than any game in recent history. All you have to do is look at games like Age of Conan and Star Wars to see what happens with large scale PvP without culling. Unplayable.

They will fix the culling by adding low res models as placeholders, it will take a while, but culling is a pretty rare occurance and hardly worth losing sleep over until they fix it.

Originally posted by Alberel

That's really not true at all. GW2's only proper content patch since launch was the Karka one, everything else was a limited time event that will be recycled every year... Even then the Lost Shores were an empty zone with no real purpose.

I'd suggest you take a look at Rift if you want to see a game that does it well. GW2 is actually shockingly barren in terms of content updates.

Events ARE content. Then Fractals, Lost Shores, prelude Living Story...

But yah, lets ignore it rofl