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  Varthander

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2/01/13 2:47:54 PM#41
i would love to test it, but it seems that there are no traces any european countries in the sign up, i guess we will have to wait for it.

  VanadromArda

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2/01/13 2:56:48 PM#42
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

  TwoThreeFour

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2/01/13 3:05:09 PM#43
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by couponfork
Kind of ridiculous that not only did we have to purchase a complete piece of shit for a game but we had to subscribe to the peice of shit for 90 days for legacy status. I think the money I wasted just buying it should be good enough.

That's a backwards way of looking at it.

It's not there for people to pony up 90 days of sub money. It's for people who stuck with the game for 90+ days.

Your purchasing a "piece of shit for a game" is on you for not waiting around for reviews, opinions, etc. It's sad that it wasn't great but that's what happens when people jump in.

for those who did stick with the game they get a "thank you".

Exactly.

It's more of an admission that they screwed up big time than you will probably ever see SE give. They don't like to admit they were wrong. This is a way of saying "Oh my god we are so sorry please come back we fixed it promise!."

WTF are you smoking? SquareEnix has numerous times apologized and admitted they were wrong with FFXIV. You seem to be dellusional. They apologized more than we can expect any significant Western game company to do. You seem to be mixing up EA Bioware with SquareEnix. 

  Ryvella

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2/01/13 3:17:02 PM#44
Originally posted by Varthander
i would love to test it, but it seems that there are no traces any european countries in the sign up, i guess we will have to wait for it.

http://entry.ffxiv.com/beta/eu 

Sign up link for Europe. 

  neobahamut20

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Joined: 4/03/12
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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/01/13 3:17:58 PM#45
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

However, the essense of the site remains that it is in no way a test of the offer and demand for a product. Sure, 0$ in donations speaks for itself, however, in most cases, the demand is there already and in reality people prepurchase the product. Doing otherwise is ridiculous.

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make for enough of an investment.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  TwoThreeFour

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2/01/13 3:23:48 PM#46
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

However, the essense of the site remains that it is in no way a test of the offer and demand for a product. Sure, 0$ in donations speaks for itself, however, in most cases, the demand is there already and in reality people prepurchase the product. Doing otherwise is ridiculous.

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make enough of an investment.

 

Do you know how much of the extra costs for remaking FFXIV were paid by SquareEnix themselves and not though the fans?

  VanadromArda

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2/01/13 3:30:18 PM#47
Originally posted by neobahamut20

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make enough of an investment.

 

SquareEnix released, what they felt, was a ready and finished product on September 2010. It sold several copies simply because of its namesake alone.

Not long after, reviews showed that the game was horrible. The public outcry was heard and SquareEnix refunded money to those who asked for it and made the game Free to Play for over a year.

In order to save-face, they decided to hire a brand new team of developers during the Free to Play term. Then after a FULL YEAR OF FREE TO PLAY they asked for people who STILL PLAYED the game to invest in the upcoming title. They rewarded the fans of the franchise with Legacy Status.

They did not force them to pay, no. The players who wanted to see a better Final Fantasy XIV gladly paid what they felt they owed. SquareEnix DID NOT HAVE TO GO FREE TO PLAY FOR ONE YEAR, no. They did anyway, as an apology. They did it so them asking for people to subscribe for just a few months wouldn't be pathetic at al.

I already played A Realm Reborn. My stance on this is not out of uninformed assumption. The new game is actually really good and shows just how much work the new team has put in.

Nothing SquareEnix has done to make up for Final Fantas XIV 1.0 sucking hasn't once been pathetic. They could have done far worse things. Like taken everyone's money who bought a box, ran the game for two months, then closed down and kept the money without offering refunds.

You can say it's pathetic, but it's not. All  isee is someone just trying to make an argument from something that isn't there.

  Slukjan

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Joined: 3/10/11
Posts: 238

2/01/13 3:39:06 PM#48
how do i know if i made legacy status?
  VanadromArda

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2/01/13 3:40:39 PM#49
Follow the link in the main post to your SE Account Manager. Check your Services and for Final Fantasy XIV and look for the Legacy icon.
  TwoThreeFour

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 2148

2/01/13 3:45:28 PM#50
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

However, the essense of the site remains that it is in no way a test of the offer and demand for a product. Sure, 0$ in donations speaks for itself, however, in most cases, the demand is there already and in reality people prepurchase the product. Doing otherwise is ridiculous.

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make enough of an investment.

 

Do you know how much of the extra costs for remaking FFXIV were paid by SquareEnix themselves and not though the fans?

[mod edit]

 

It is a relevant point, it is far worse if they paid nothing themselves and demanded all the money to be caught up by the fans.

  Slukjan

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Joined: 3/10/11
Posts: 238

2/01/13 3:46:18 PM#51
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Follow the link in the main post to your SE Account Manager. Check your Services and for Final Fantasy XIV and look for the Legacy icon.

 thanks for the info.  i don't see any kind of icon so i am guessing i didn't play it for 90 days....bummer. i know it was close.

  VanadromArda

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Posts: 442

2/01/13 3:48:13 PM#52
Originally posted by neobahamut20

[mod edit]

*LAUGHS*

Get outta here. So far you're just hangin' round given me reason to warm up my fingers before  I do some serious writing on my articles. There are plenty of facts about the game here on MMORPG.com in columns and on the FFXIV forums. Check the Twitter page, the facebook page, the loadstone, check um all. Do some homework.

I PLAYED the NEW game. I KNOW it's a good game and I enjoyed it a good deal and look forward to Beta. You are welcome to play it upon release, until then everything you say, write, and do will be forgotten as my colleagues I enjoy the game we helped support.

I wouldn't even be here if the game wasn't good. I don't support games I THINK will be fun to play.

  neobahamut20

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 351

We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/01/13 3:51:14 PM#53
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

However, the essense of the site remains that it is in no way a test of the offer and demand for a product. Sure, 0$ in donations speaks for itself, however, in most cases, the demand is there already and in reality people prepurchase the product. Doing otherwise is ridiculous.

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make enough of an investment.

 

Do you know how much of the extra costs for remaking FFXIV were paid by SquareEnix themselves and not though the fans?

[mod edit]

 

It is a relevant point, it is far worse if they paid nothing themselves and demanded all the money to be caught up by the fans.

You wrongly assume that they were in a position to make demands, which renders it irrelevant. They were not. They did not beg either, they simply adapted. However you cant just go in a hypothetical worst case scenario and say "oh look, it could have been worse". It doesnt work that way.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  TwoThreeFour

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 2148

2/01/13 3:54:09 PM#54
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by TemperHoof
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products.


Check out: Kickstarter.

However, the essense of the site remains that it is in no way a test of the offer and demand for a product. Sure, 0$ in donations speaks for itself, however, in most cases, the demand is there already and in reality people prepurchase the product. Doing otherwise is ridiculous.

FFXIV had people buy their product, then they asked for more money so they could create a new product to replace the one their fans originally bought which was way below promises and expectations. That is beyond pathetic, however, I did not originally purchase so I am awaiting ARR which seems to be more like the kind of game I'd be interested to play. The box sale alone should make enough of an investment.

 

Do you know how much of the extra costs for remaking FFXIV were paid by SquareEnix themselves and not though the fans?

[mod edit]

 

It is a relevant point, it is far worse if they paid nothing themselves and demanded all the money to be caught up by the fans.

You wrongly assume that they were in a position to make demands, which renders it irrelevant. They were not. They did not beg either, they simply adapted. However you cant just go in a hypothetical worst case scenario and say "oh look, it could have been worse". It doesnt work that way.

So, how would you have handled the FFXIV debacle? Refund everyone who bought it, shut down the company, commit  Seppuku? 

When we judge a company, we have to take consideration to how other relevant companies act in similar situations, any other standpoint would be ridiculous. 

  VooDoo_Papa

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Joined: 3/21/10
Posts: 842

2/01/13 4:02:35 PM#55

dont get so bent out of shape about getting in. almost everyone who frequents this site will just crap on the beta anyway once they get in. especially those of you who called it a piece of shit the first go. 

in fact, i hope you dont get in. its not your type of game.

  KeithDragoon

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Joined: 8/02/10
Posts: 21

2/01/13 4:04:37 PM#56
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by couponfork
Originally posted by FelixMajor
I better get in first run considering I paid for the boxed copy back when the game was unplayable

Nice to see someone else realistic, be prepared to get torn a new one by the all the FF fanboys.

 

Remaking a game costs money.  If not for the people who stayed and financially supported the game, 2.0 might not be a reality.  SE could have done what other companies do.. either close up shop or go F2P.

 

SE isn't saying "FU" to the people who left.  It's just saying "Thank you" to the people who stayed and had faith in SE.  I'm sorry, but you're not entitled to anything just because you bought a game that was not up to your standards.  And admittedely, it was not up to anyones standards.

 

BTW, do you ask to see another movie because the one YOU bought SUCKED?!  And does a movie theater accommodate your demand? I think not.

 

Also, because you bought the game, 2.0 (even though it's a NEW game) will be an update for you, and will not require a new purchase.  You will also get one month free play time to determine whether it's worth staying or leaving.  That seems to be very fair, considering what you think you're "entitled to."

This is not entirely true, 2.0 was gonna happen regardless if we subscribed or not. Yoshi-P stated this in an earlyletter that the subscription was to maintaint the game service while they remade it and that if nobody wanted to subscribe they would've just brought down the 1.0 servers and remade the game anyway.

All(most) of us Legacy players merely payed for part of the server's running fees and were rewarded with a pretty good storyline leading up to the coming of 2.0, nothing more.

  VanadromArda

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2/01/13 4:10:18 PM#57
Originally posted by neobahamut20

[mod edit]

SquareEnix has had an extremely bad track record since they merged together. SquareSoft and Enix used to be two very different companies. A lot of people feel their last good Final Fantasy was Final Fantasy X -- others would argue Final Fantasy XI.

But the fact of the matter is that Final Fantasy is a flagship title. That is a franchise name with a massive amount of weight. Seeing it fail was not an option for SquareEnix. The creators of the game did in fact know that when the game was done, it wasn't ready and it was crappy. No one is apologizing for them.

The only thing that SquareEnix has done with this whole Final Fantasy XIV mess was do something no one else had done before -- they admitted their mistake, gave people the game for free, then remade the game entirely from the ground up. This has never happened to any other MMO before, most MMOs just get trashed and thrown away. Go play Tabula Rasa, yeah that's right -- IT'S GONE now, so you can't.

SquareEnix made huge mistakes. They have earned some bonus points for admitting they made mistakes and have worked very hard to fix those mistakes.They will win over their fans and win back likely most of the people who bought their title in the first place. They ARE honoring all titles, hell they are even honoring promises they made back in 2009 to make the key inside Final Fantasy 13 work for the Realm Reborn PS3 Beta. Did they have to do that? NO.

Are they doing it? YES. That reason alone is why. It just hasn't been done before.

  Smoey

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2/01/13 4:11:46 PM#58

Bring on beta! <3 Legacy!

 

Edit: To the people that purchased the game that do not have Legacy... you still have the game they're not making you purchase it again. They're just not giving you early access to beta or in game items because you bailed out. Therefore they do not owe you anything as the beta and items are simply a 'Thank You' to the people that kept playing 1.0.

(\ /) ?
( . .)
c('')('')

  TwoThreeFour

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2/01/13 4:30:26 PM#59
Originally posted by TemperHoof
(...)
 A lot of people feel their last good Final Fantasy was Final Fantasy X -- others would argue Final Fantasy XI.

(...)

Those who feel that way usually started with FF VII as their first FF, I have rarely seen anyone who started with the first Final Fantasy to feel that way. If anything they felt FF IX was the last good one. Reason being that FF has changed a lot throughout the years and if you didn't experience the massive change from FF III-> FFIV, FFV->FFVI, FFVI->FFVII, FFVIII->FFIX, FFIX->FFX, I would assume you have a harder time appriciating the massive change from FFX -> FFXII and FFXII->FFXIII.

  VanadromArda

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2/01/13 4:34:58 PM#60
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Those who feel that way usually started with FF VII as their first FF, I have rarely seen anyone who started with the first Final Fantasy to feel that way. If anything they felt FF IX was the last good one. Reason being that FF has changed a lot from title and if you didn't experience the massive change from FF III-> FFIV, FFV->FFVI, FFVI->FFVII, FFVIII->FFIX, FFIX->FFX, I would assume you have a harder time appriciating the massive change from FFX -> FFXII

There was no untruth in my statement. ^^ For me personally the last best Final Fantasy ws Final Fantasy 6.

Did you know that Final Fantasy 6 was the only FF game with Magitek Armor? Well not anymore, it's now in Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn.

... and guess what we go to use.

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