Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by TemperHoof

They wanted people who really wanted to support the announced changes that were in production. If you didn't want to support them when they needed you to support them, then you get no reward. That simple!

No, what they wanted was money.  Some people gave them more.  But really anyone who bought the box gave them more than anyone ever should have.

For starters, they are making these changes for anyone and everyone who bought the box. If you had a registered copy of FFXIV on your SE account, that means you bought the game. If you've been actually caring about the game AND following the game, you'd know that EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT THE GAME, REGISTERED THE GAME, AND APPLIED FOR ALPHA WAS INVITED INTO THE ALPHA TEST.

If you were in Alpha Test, you'd be right in line for Beta 2 and wouldn't have to sign up for beta.

So if you're "angry" that you get no reward for BUYING the game, you should only be angry at yourself for not reading those Final Fantasy XIV newletters, websites, or any related news about the game and its development. They announced numerous times of the coming changes and alpha tests. If you missed that boat then you only have yourself to blame.

Originally posted by korr
and one last note on the 90 days thing, some people enjoyed the game the way it was.  Just because a game isn't your style or what you wanted doesnt make it suck, just makes it some one elses game.

Uh... you think SE remade an entire game cause it was good? No, they made an entirely new game because the general consensus was that it SUCKED. Thanks for your one last note, it was very very informative.

I never said I was angry by the way, to everyone claiming I am. I said I think it is ridiculous, which it is. Beta invites should at least be prioritized to those who purchased the original failure they pushed out. Here's to hoping V2 will be a great game.

Originally posted by FelixMajor
I better get in first run considering I paid for the boxed copy back when the game was unplayable

Nice to see someone else realistic, be prepared to get torn a new one by the all the FF fanboys.

Originally posted by FelixMajor
I better get in first run considering I paid for the boxed copy back when the game was unplayable

I absolutely HATED Finaly Fantasy XIV 1.0. I could barely play the darn thing in Beta and I didn't even buy it on release.

But I bought a copy of it in 2011 for $20 and played it a little for free until December 2011.

In Janurary 2012 they announced Legacy, with special mounts, perks, and other rewards for players who wanted to help invest into A Realm Reborn. That was over a YEAR AGO now.

I played until about April of 2012 because I just wanted Legacy, but otherwise didn't really care much for the game at all. I couldn't even stand the game, even then. But I did want to support remaking the game as a whole.

In late 2012 they announced they were closing down 1.0 and Alpha Sign-Ups were available. I applied for Alpha.

In December 2012 I was able to enjoy Alpha, just like everyone else who bought the game and signed up.

If you wanted priority access to Beta 1 or Beta 2, you should have known this was going on. If you created a SE Account, bought the game, registered it, and played it even a little -- you would have been supplied with Newsletters and Letters from the Producer. 

If you didn't know any of this was happening, then frankly you don't deserve to get into Beta 1 or Beta 2, period. Regardless if you bought the game. You'll get in during Beta 3 or Beta 4 like everyone else.

Period. SE gave you TWO YEARS to give a darn about Final Fantasy XIV. So don't come complaining about it now if you aren't getting "what you deserve".

Originally posted by couponfork

Originally posted by FelixMajor
I better get in first run considering I paid for the boxed copy back when the game was unplayable

Nice to see someone else realistic, be prepared to get torn a new one by the all the FF fanboys.

Remaking a game costs money.  If not for the people who stayed and financially supported the game, 2.0 might not be a reality.  SE could have done what other companies do.. either close up shop or go F2P.

SE isn't saying "FU" to the people who left.  It's just saying "Thank you" to the people who stayed and had faith in SE.  I'm sorry, but you're not entitled to anything just because you bought a game that was not up to your standards.  And admittedely, it was not up to anyones standards.

BTW, do you ask to see another movie because the one YOU bought SUCKED?!  And does a movie theater accommodate your demand? I think not.

Also, because you bought the game, 2.0 (even though it's a NEW game) will be an update for you, and will not require a new purchase.  You will also get one month free play time to determine whether it's worth staying or leaving.  That seems to be very fair, considering what you think you're "entitled to."

Originally posted by couponfork

Originally posted by FelixMajor
I better get in first run considering I paid for the boxed copy back when the game was unplayable

Nice to see someone else realistic, be prepared to get torn a new one by the all the FF fanboys.

That's okay, we are used to kids today and the I want it now! MEMEMEMEME crowd. And if defending a company for being nice to it's loyal customer is fanboyism, yea I guess I'm a fanboy.

I'm giving out free hugs and counseling for everyone that is crying about not getting into beta..

I can't wait for beta to start!  I'm ready..

If you're butt hurt....

Remember a great quote from a very underrated movie (slightly modified)

"There's no CRYING in gaming!"

Originally posted by GwapoJosh

I'm giving out free hugs and counseling for everyone that is crying about not getting into beta..

 

I can't wait for beta to start!  I'm ready..

Hi,

I will need a lot of those. The deception known as GW2 has left me with nothing to play. The MMO world is filled with nonsensical cash grabs, with everyone being coaxed into buying rather than playing. The EA empire is gaining ground and buying out all the companies that make good games and corrupt them with the power of the profits. Although we have great ideas, the playerbase is being ignored and corruption of quick profits has taken over most developpers and quality keeps on dying more and more every day.

Please, if you get in the beta, relay this message to SQEX :

"Help us SQEX! You are our only hope"

Originally posted by orbitxo

Originally posted by couponfork
Kind of ridiculous that not only did we have to purchase a complete piece of shit for a game but we had to subscribe to the peice of shit for 90 days for legacy status. I think the money I wasted just buying it should be good enough.

agreed! x2!

Thank god you think like that and hopefully don't play at all. FFXI was one of the best communities ever let's keep it like that for ffxiv also. What you call pos was main mmorpg for 2 years for few thousand of people who enjoyed playing instead of vomiting poison in forums.

Originally posted by orbitxo

Originally posted by couponfork
Kind of ridiculous that not only did we have to purchase a complete piece of shit for a game but we had to subscribe to the peice of shit for 90 days for legacy status. I think the money I wasted just buying it should be good enough.

agreed! x2!

Ok so you bought the game and it was crap. You knew that they got a whole new production staff, have heard about all the things they are doing to change the game. Then they ask for $9.99 a month to help fund the remake since they lost a huge amount of money on the release and, gosh, they can't magically conjur up money out of thin air! You chose not to help out in their endeavor to change the game from a piece of crap to something awesome and you're still getting the game for free with a free month of play, and you're complaining about not getting legacy status?

Originally posted by drivendawn

Originally posted by orbitxo

Originally posted by couponfork
Kind of ridiculous that not only did we have to purchase a complete piece of shit for a game but we had to subscribe to the peice of shit for 90 days for legacy status. I think the money I wasted just buying it should be good enough.

agreed! x2!

Ok so you bought the game and it was crap. You knew that they got a whole new production staff, have heard about all the things they are doing to change the game. Then they ask for $9.99 a month to help fund the remake since they lost a huge amount of money on the release and, gosh, they can't magically conjur up money out of thin air! You chose not to help out in their endeavor to change the game from a piece of crap to something awesome and you're still getting the game for free with a free month of play, and you're complaining about not getting legacy status?

Deep down, he knows he's wrong given the forum response to his "WHAMMBULANCE."  But fear not, he will call us RAPID fanboys and sleep easy at night (or at least, try to).

Self-delusion is a helluva drug!

Originally posted by ZizouX

Self-delusion is a helluva drug!

I thought Cocain was a helluva drug?

Originally posted by drivendawn

Originally posted by orbitxo

Originally posted by couponfork
Kind of ridiculous that not only did we have to purchase a complete piece of shit for a game but we had to subscribe to the peice of shit for 90 days for legacy status. I think the money I wasted just buying it should be good enough.

agreed! x2!

Ok so you bought the game and it was crap. You knew that they got a whole new production staff, have heard about all the things they are doing to change the game. Then they ask for $9.99 a month to help fund the remake since they lost a huge amount of money on the release and, gosh, they can't magically conjur up money out of thin air! You chose not to help out in their endeavor to change the game from a piece of crap to something awesome and you're still getting the game for free with a free month of play, and you're complaining about not getting legacy status?

Oh wow, what a stooge.

Hey look, that multi-million (if not billion) dollar company put out a shit product so we should give them money, because, POOOORRRRR THEM, they need some to remake the game so ONLY THEM will profit from it. That logic makes has absolutely no business sense. If they want investors, they better be ready to pay up. Obviously, that is unless they can get stooges to give their oh so unfortunate selves money.

Originally posted by neobahamut20

Oh wow, what a stooge.

Hey look, that multi-million (if not billion) dollar company put out a shit product so we should give them money, because, POOOORRRRR THEM, they need some to remake the game so ONLY THEM will profit from it. That logic makes has absolutely no business sense. If they want investors, they better be ready to pay up. Obviously, that is unless they can get stooges to give their oh so unfortunate selves money.

No one is saying Square Enix is poor, you're probably the first person to say that. The key point is simple:

Supply & Demand

For starters, SE is a company. OF COURSE they are in it for profit! When have games been a charity which give YOU money for playing them?

Their Logic DOES make business sense though, and assuming it doesn't just proves YOU have no business sense.

They could have easily just rolled over and gone belly up on the whole MMORPG. Closed it down, ended shop, and went home humilitated for their failure.

Instead, SE didnt want such a horrible stain to tarnish their image. So they fired the original crew, hired a new dev crew and released a battle plan which would cover 2 years of production until now, which would make the 3rd year of production.

But pouring in more money on ANOTHER and ENTIRELY different MMO was an expensive risk, even for a large company like SE who has been producing pretty much nothing by flops and horrible titles for years and years now.

So they created a campaign for players to show they WANTED a new MMO by giving SE more money. Yes it's silly, but it's kinda like Kickstarter. The Legacy Players showed their support and it won over SE to continue production. Players showed there was demand, now SE is supplying to meet that demand. Also, the current number of Legacy Players is already enough to compete with other profitably MMOs like Eve Online or Final Fantasy XI.

That's why they did what they did. Makes perfect sense. SE isn't poor, but they are losing money and wanted to see support for the title before proceeding as far as they have.

Originally posted by TemperHoof

Originally posted by neobahamut20

Oh wow, what a stooge.

Hey look, that multi-million (if not billion) dollar company put out a shit product so we should give them money, because, POOOORRRRR THEM, they need some to remake the game so ONLY THEM will profit from it. That logic makes has absolutely no business sense. If they want investors, they better be ready to pay up. Obviously, that is unless they can get stooges to give their oh so unfortunate selves money.

No one is saying Square Enix is poor, you're probably the first person to say that. The key point is simple:

Supply & Demand

For starters, SE is a company. OF COURSE they are in it for profit! When have games been a charity which give YOU money for playing them?

Their Logic DOES make business sense though, and assuming it doesn't just proves YOU have no business sense.

They could have easily just rolled over and gone belly up on the whole MMORPG. Closed it down, ended shop, and went home humilitated for their failure.

Instead, SE didnt want such a horrible stain to tarnish their image. So they fired the original crew, hired a new dev crew and released a battle plan which would cover 2 years of production until now, which would make the 3rd year of production.

But pouring in more money on ANOTHER and ENTIRELY different MMO was an expensive risk, even for a large company like SE who has been producing pretty much nothing by flops and horrible titles for years and years now.

So they created a campaign for players to show they WANTED a new MMO by giving SE more money. Yes it's silly, but it's kinda like Kickstarter. The Legacy Players showed their support and it won over SE to continue production. Players showed there was demand, now SE is supplying to meet that demand. Also, the current number of Legacy Players is already enough to compete with other profitably MMOs like Eve Online or Final Fantasy XI.

That's why they did what they did. Makes perfect sense. SE isn't poor, but they are losing money and wanted to see support for the title before proceeding as far as they have.

Reading comprehension 101: I wasnt talking about SE's business sense, In fact, my last sentence praises their marketting. I was talking about the one of those who gave them money as an investment where they will get 0 ROI. Learn to read, then respond.

Supply and demand isn't tested by asking people to pay for a non-existent products. I would like to see condo builders ask for money so they can build a condo, then, they tell the investor they get 0$ off of the sale of the condos. Would love to see how well that goes.