Originally posted by Razperil

Originally posted by Crunchy222

Originally posted by aleos

i dont see any double standard. i see a game filling a space that was left empty.

 

all anyone ever wanted was Diablo 2 in HD, at least thats all i wanted.. not a carebear overhaul to appease a greater audiance. So unlike this new diablo. Path of Exile actually allows me to allocate skill points. it doesnt do it for me. And the ability to use ANY power i flippin want by meeting basic requirements and an open slot on my weapons or armor that i can remove and replace at any time with no charge or hassel. sign me up.

have you even seen that skill tree? its glorious..

 

Did i mention its free.

More people play D3 than POE.

Some people care more about entertaining combat mechanics than graphical looks, in fact i would argue more do.

Your trading entertaining combat for graphics with POE...oh and its not blizzard, some people thats the largest factor in them enjoying a game apparently.

 

But yes, the game is kind of a D2 ripoff...however you really can make the argument that a 12 year old game has better combat.  Also itemization was far better in D2.  If D3 hadnt pissed off a minority of the D2 crowd POE wouldnt even be on the radar.  The fans are grossly inflating the games greatness.

Before long, more people will be playing Path of Exile. If you don't think so, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I would suggest that you stay in the water-down game that is D3. Afterall, you sound like another disgruntled Blizzard fan that can never stand it when any game does something better or has more merit than Blizzard games these days. (They did it to themselves with their greed. I don't feel sorry or bad for them. It will happen to any company that follows that same path).

Here's to the companies that are passionate about games and about those that play them. :) Let's hope that this is a new marker for how companies become. (possibly wishful thinking, it does not hurt nonetheless).

Thanks for the suggestion but im fine making my own choices, i still play both.  They are both games that need a hell of a lot of improvement.

D3 has action and combat thats far more fun, surprisngly more viable builds than POE with drastic gameplay variety. Also multiplayer is lightyears ahead of POE.

POE has more realistic graphics with nice lighting, a skill web thats very interesting your first play though, and a more hands on crafting system.

Im just being realistic here though...i know the POE fanclub is deeply invested in the game and quite defensive however.

Call me a disgruntled blizzard fan because i play both D3 and POE if that makes you feel better...however..with POE being free, and all of its issues front and center without the heavy handed diamond supporter forums mods deleting all negative threads, its only going to take a short amount of time to cut through the overhype in this one.

Granted i hope GGG comes through with combat support, a physics engine, fixes their launch related issues, and redoes their active skill system while making the passive tree more than boring stat boosts.... I also hope blizzard fixes the bland endgame they have adds more content, and adds more itemization depth.  Both will be fun.

I think POE has a lot further to go to be really solid, but then i dont play one game and support it because i hate another similair game...like so many of the POE fanclub...a community thats bitterly obsessed with D3 and cant stop talking about it.

Oh and they are going to have to start beefing up their cash shop further if they intend to take the game to the next level...they have far too many free players eating bandwith right now.

Originally posted by Crunchy222

More people play D3 than POE.

Some people care more about entertaining combat mechanics than graphical looks, in fact i would argue more do.

Your trading entertaining combat for graphics with POE...oh and its not blizzard, some people thats the largest factor in them enjoying a game apparently.

 

But yes, the game is kind of a D2 ripoff...however you really can make the argument that a 12 year old game has better combat.  Also itemization was far better in D2.  If D3 hadnt pissed off a minority of the D2 crowd POE wouldnt even be on the radar.  The fans are grossly inflating the games greatness.

Just wanted to point out that this isn't correct, unless it's being stated only as an opinion. 

As part of what most people are chiming in on is the gameplay in Path of Exile, not just it's graphics. Cherry picking the one post that mentions grahics in particular and then attacking that as if it's the only point is generally fallacious and does not benefit a conversation.

Especially given your last couple sentences are squarely pegging another kind of playerbase in a negative manner. It essentially just acumulates in meaning your post was flaming other users without merit.

Feel free to say you don't enjoy it's gameplay. Feel free to say you think the game might be getting overhyped. But don't bait with insults.

EDIT: For example the fact you say D3 has 'suprisingly more viable builds' which is a curious statement on it's own given how the active skills in PoE are divided from the class and open t use on all characters, where their passive tree lets them tailor their stats to eventually encompass any given play style.

Additionally on point is the simplifications you speak of in regards to PoE that don't mesh with reality. Like your remark that the passive tree is just stat boosts.

It would be considerably better of you to say what you actually mean and simply note you prefer Diablo 3's gameplay.

Technical accuracy is generally better than painting opinion as if they were facts.

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

clone or not

rip off or not all i know is that D3 compared to path of exile is a big POS

path of exile baby all the way

Originally posted by Deivos

Originally posted by Crunchy222

More people play D3 than POE.

Some people care more about entertaining combat mechanics than graphical looks, in fact i would argue more do.

Your trading entertaining combat for graphics with POE...oh and its not blizzard, some people thats the largest factor in them enjoying a game apparently.

 

But yes, the game is kind of a D2 ripoff...however you really can make the argument that a 12 year old game has better combat.  Also itemization was far better in D2.  If D3 hadnt pissed off a minority of the D2 crowd POE wouldnt even be on the radar.  The fans are grossly inflating the games greatness.

Just wanted to point out that this isn't correct, unless it's being stated only as an opinion. 

 

As part of what most people are chiming in on is the gameplay in Path of Exile, not just it's graphics. Cherry picking the one post that mentions grahics in particular and then attacking that as if it's the only point is generally fallacious and does not benefit a conversation.

 

Especially given your last couple sentences are squarely pegging another kind of playerbase in a negative manner. It essentially just acumulates in meaning your post was flaming other users without merit.

 

Feel free to say you don't enjoy it's gameplay. Feel free to say you think the game might be getting overhyped. But don't bait with insults.

Yeah forgive me, the POE community in game and on the official forums is wearing on me.  Its becomming harder and harder to want to support the game given what i see in game, and the fact i have to keep global chat shut down due to the community.

But my point is, a lot of people are overhyping the game while being 100% blind to the many aspects of POE that are below acceptable.  I mean combat mechanics, active skills, and desync are beyond major issues with an ARPG...yet any mention of that bring forth attacks on those who mention them.  Really the best part of POE is the look and the fact that it caters squarely to disgruntled D2 purests.

Im sorry if thats not what you want to hear, figured a 3rd party forum would be far better explaining this than the official forums with is heavy handed player mods and in game with the constant attacks.

I think GGG really needs to address these issues before they move forward with the game, however, i wouldnt be surprised if they were clueless to the issues given the communities tendancy to censor and attack suggestions.

So what if its a clone? Its an entertaining game.  Its also a worthy successor to D2, unlike D3.  If Blizzard hadn't managed to annoy a good part of their own playerbase, I doubt it would have attracted so much attention.

As for WoW, for all its faults (which are legion...) its still a good game up to level cap.  Blizzard would hardly have made *billions* from it, if many millions of people didn't think it worthy of their money for years and years.

I've played some of the WoW clones. Some I enjoyed quite abit. Others not so much.

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Originally posted by Crunchy222 Yeah forgive me, the POE community in game and on the official forums is wearing on me.  Its becomming harder and harder to want to support the game given what i see in game, and the fact i have to keep global chat shut down due to the community. But my point is, a lot of people are overhyping the game while being 100% blind to the many aspects of POE that are below acceptable.  I mean combat mechanics, active skills, and desync are beyond major issues with an ARPG...yet any mention of that bring forth attacks on those who mention them.  Really the best part of POE is the look and the fact that it caters squarely to disgruntled D2 purests. Im sorry if thats not what you want to hear, figured a 3rd party forum would be far better explaining this than the official forums with is heavy handed player mods and in game with the constant attacks. I think GGG really needs to address these issues before they move forward with the game, however, i wouldnt be surprised if they were clueless to the issues given the communities tendancy to censor and attack suggestions.  

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Frankly, I do not get it.

I mean ok, desync and DC are important issues they need to address asap. Thats out of questions.

But when you (or others) start talking about combat mechanics, graphic, skill gems, passive tree, etc. you are talking about your personal preferences. And what you see as faulty or boring others may find acceptable and interesting.

You say suggestions are attacked.
My bet is that in most cases they are not real suggestions but rather nonconstructive posts that some part of game A is different then in game B or in imagination of poster, and only for that reason it has to be changed.
Sorry, but thats not a suggestion - thats just whining, by someone who fails to understand that each game can have its own flavors. Making "suggestions" that are aimed to change the very core of what makes a game different is not what should be encouraged (in fact thats something that kills innovation in games making them clones of some major title).

As far as I see it, one does not have to like each game on the market.
Either you like something and then make a suggestion that build on and expand on that idea. Or if you do not like something, be a man and move over to other game.

theres nothing wrong with cloning a great game, especialy if you can do it well with fresh content for players to consume.  D2 was an amazing game and d3 is not a clone of d2 they tried to do there own new thing, d3 is a great game but its very shallow of content I still got tons of time out of it dont regret the cost of the game but I quit after about a month and a half of d3 because of content. 

D2 held me for years and I can understand why POE would want to be the new d2 but honestly POE is a cluncky, buggy, low budget version of d2 and I for 1 am not enjoying it.  For me combat and the smoothness of the engine are number 1 factors for enjoying a game and POE falls pretty flat in combat imo but I wish all you POE fans the best of luck...

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

Because WoW doesn't have the universal praise that the D1/D2LoD franchise does. The pre D3 Diablo franchise is universally associated with positive gaming experiences. D1/D2 are the holy grail of ARPGs. WoW, meanwhile, is an EQ clone and despite being mostly liked, does not carry the universal praise that is always heaped upon D1 & D2.

poe is great game better then d3

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Originally posted by davc123
poe is great game better then d3

 

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i never said it was a bad game, i am actually liking it so far.

"Diablo clone" is only a compliment to any ARPG. I mean Diablo2 ofc. Its an awesome standard which wont be passed any time soon or EVER.

I play Path of Exile myself and it indeed is good. Too bad it isnt a finished product but it truly is the Diablo 3 we really wanted.

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Originally posted by jpnole

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Originally posted by baphamet not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise? not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off. from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more) its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo. whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money? i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.    

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Because WoW doesn't have the universal praise that the D1/D2LoD franchise does. The pre D3 Diablo franchise is universally associated with positive gaming experiences. D1/D2 are the holy grail of ARPGs. WoW, meanwhile, is an EQ clone and despite being mostly liked, does not carry the universal praise that is always heaped upon D1 & D2.

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what about when teso gets called a GW2 clone? or when all sorts of games used to be called D2 clones like dungeon siege?

i realize all games are clones of another game with added original features unique to that game.

i also have no problem playing any "clone" as long as i am having fun and like the game.

i am just saying that its odd every other newer game gets hated on for being a clone except this one apparently (and all sandbox games of course).

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

Whatever you say or do , or how much you analyze , it all comes down to one thing . Is it fun to play ? PoE is fun , I like its depth and complexity , its atmosphere , its darkness , its inovation . They took some risks , took some new paths , and it payed off . Diablo started it all , yes , I do agree . But I also dont care . Because its fun :D

And wow is not original , its an EQ clone . Now thats odd , calling everything a wow clone , when wow is a clone :P My point is its a matter of success in the end . EQ and UO started it all , but only mmo oldtimers like meself know that , most people think of wow as the father . And it is as much talent and timing , as it is about standing on the shoulders of giants . Like EQ , or Diablo :D

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Originally posted by stefanakisgr

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Originally posted by baphamet not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise? not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off. from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more) its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo. whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money? i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.    

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Whatever you say or do , or how much you analyze , it all comes down to one thing . Is it fun to play ? PoE is fun , I like its depth and complexity , its atmosphere , its darkness , its inovation . They took some risks , took some new paths , and it payed off . Diablo started it all , yes , I do agree . But I also dont care . Because its fun :D

And wow is not original , its an EQ clone . Now thats odd , calling everything a wow clone , when wow is a clone :P My point is its a matter of success in the end . EQ and UO started it all , but only mmo oldtimers like meself know that , most people think of wow as the father . And it is as much talent and timing , as it is about standing on the shoulders of giants . Like EQ , or Diablo :D

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i actually played diablo, diablo 2, and EQ for many years :)

if you remember, wow got hated on for ripping off Daoc and EQ (and other games as well) when it first came out, were those bad games at the time?

games like dungeon siege were labeled diablo clones and frowned upon by many at the time as well.

i see people complain about companies being original and that's why they don't like wow like games.

yet with this game and other sandbox games they are never mentioned as clones or frowned upon for being a clone, even though they are all clones of something.

its a double standard.

that said, i can see why people like this game as i am one of them so far lol

then again, i am not one of those that refuses to play a game that is a clone of another.

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

the thing is "WoW clone" isn't a complaint because it's a ripoff. it's a complaint because a lot of people don't like WoW. diablo 1+2 are awesome though. therefore if someone rips it off and slaps on nicer graphics, it's a win.

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Shodanas
Can you please elaborate on how PoE "...blatantly ripped off dablo."? The UI? Because the health / mana orbs are located left and right? And sure, character selection and the inventory panel define wether a game is good or bad. Are you for real? Why don't you tell us about the things who actually matter like the skill sysytem. Or the excellent active / support gem system which provides ground for tons of experimentation. Or the innovative barter system in place of the old currency one.

 

Remove your fanboy glasses and then you'll see that the F2P PoE puts the 60 euro DIII to shame.

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the inventory pannel looks exactly the same, character selection looks exactly the same, the combat? so far its exactly the same.

fanboy glasses you say? umm i hate to break it you ya but i haven't played D3 in months and will not play it ever again until it has pvp and even then i may not.

its more likely that i will be playing this game actually lol

maybe you should take your "fanboy glasses" off and realize that this game is in fact a direct rip off from diablo.

like i said originally, i don't think its a bad game as i have not played it enough to make a judgment like that.

but just from playing it 10 minutes i can see that they haven't just made a game similar to diablo, they directly ripped it off.

which is not necessarily a bad thing but it damn sure isn't an indie game company being creative, which is why so many of you claim to like indie games.

it is indeed a double standard.

Lol, way to prove you havent played much of it, the first 2 are a given for any ARPG really.. why would you change something like that? The combat however... DRAMATICALLY more complex and different, Fail bro, fail.