Originally posted by Lokberg

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by Madimorga

Yes there is a grind.  Yes it is for gear that does matter.  Yes this is what they promised us would not happen.  Yes, they lied.

 

For any WvW player who dislikes dungeons there are two options:  Grind them anyway or be at a stat disadvantage to those who do.

 

Oh wait, there is a third option.  Quit the game. 

 

Which is the option I hope most WvW fans eventually will go with, to teach Arenanet and other devs not to do this to us ever again!

 

WvW gives karma. You can buy a full exotic set with karma by visiting Orr. Fail troll is fail.

That would be true if Exotic were still best in slot.  It isn't.

 

it is best in slot for most items the rest you can get by doing the dailys/monthlys while WvWing now so whats the problem again?

It takes much longer to get them that way than it does by running the dungeons and I don't run dungeons is my problem.  It's a grind.  

They should have equalized gear in WvW like they did in their tournament pvp, then I wouldn't have a bad thing to say about this.  But they failed to do so.  They in fact have failed to meet my expectations.  They have also failed to keep their promises.

IMHO, is there a grind?.. .yep, there are lots of it.... Does it require a grind?... I'd say no, it doesn't.

Getting legendary weapons or that cool looking armor set you might have set your eyes on will indeed require a huge grind... but a completely optional one.

Compared to the game everyone loves to hate, WoW, for example, since I didn't play GW1 long enough to get to the grindy parts, if you wanted to progress, you had to grind, no way around it. I'll be using TBC as an example, since that's where I did some raiding. If I wanted to go to karazhan (easiest raid), then I had to grind heroic dungeons, because there was no way I'd survive there without heroic epic level gear, then if I wanted to do gruul's or magtheridon, I had to grind karazhan because to beat them everyone would need to have karazhan level gear and so on and so forth. If I didn't grinded (ground?) on one level of progression until I got enough stuff from there, I just couldn't go to the next level.

I compare it with GW2. When I first got to level 80 I had enough money to buy myself a full rare set (the vigil one, which IMHO is also a very good looking one too) with the money I got by leveling regularly, slowly working towards exotics gear, but the benefits of an exotic gear isn't that much, and there's really no content in the game I couldn't do with rare gear (or maybe even lower) anyway. The main exception is ascended gear because you need it for higher level fractals, but chances are once you get to that point you've done enough fractals that you will have at least one ascended piece of gear.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

How is it not true?  If I do my daily every day I get one piece of gear a month.  Did they change it to something reasonable?  If so I apologize, I didn't realize.

Also, as far as money goes, I would have bought more character slots and expansions.  

who says grinding is a bad thing? why does everyone want to rush to max level in every new game?  then quit a week later due to lack of content. 

and what is the difference between not wanting to take your time, see the game, explore, and pacing yourself to avoid the big bad "grind" only to hiy end game and be forcer to grind tokens, pvp gear, etc... you are still grinding...........

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

How is it not true?  If I do my daily every day I get one piece of gear a month.  Did they change it to something reasonable?  If so I apologize, I didn't realize.

 

Also, as far as money goes, I would have bought more character slots and expansions.  

you have a monthy as well.. but overall the point is you no longer have to sit and just to fractals to get the gear just need more time.. but you are still stuck in the you need BiS to be very effective in WvW and that is just BS...

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

How is it not true?  If I do my daily every day I get one piece of gear a month.  Did they change it to something reasonable?  If so I apologize, I didn't realize.

 

Also, as far as money goes, I would have bought more character slots and expansions.  

you have a monthy as well.. but overall the point is you no longer have to sit and just to fractals to get the gear just need more time.. but you are still stuck in the you need BiS to be very effective in WvW and that is just BS...

The monthly generally has fractals as I recall.  I rarely do dungeons and never when I feel forced to.  You are welcome to your opinion on BiS.  I will continue to strive for the most level playing field possible in my PvP.  I also don't like fighting undergeared and underleveled players by the way.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Lol next it will be a demand for dmg meters and the ability to buy legendaries with tokens. I call bs, there's no way someone who plays wvw cares about gear beyond exotic.

Oh really?  That's why as soon as fractals released major WvW guilds were offering to run their players through them for that gear?

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

How is it not true?  If I do my daily every day I get one piece of gear a month.  Did they change it to something reasonable?  If so I apologize, I didn't realize.

 

Also, as far as money goes, I would have bought more character slots and expansions.  

you have a monthy as well.. but overall the point is you no longer have to sit and just to fractals to get the gear just need more time.. but you are still stuck in the you need BiS to be very effective in WvW and that is just BS...

 

The monthly generally has fractals as I recall.  I rarely do dungeons and never when I feel forced to.  You are welcome to your opinion on BiS.  I will continue to strive for the most level playing field possible in my PvP.  I also don't like fighting undergeared and underleveled players by the way.

well considering now most people in WvW have exotic gear you are on the MOST even playing field with a full set of exotic

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Mar you can allways click the button on the top of the screen and buy your gear, takes abou 30 secs, obviously that's not 'bis' as you put it but as players can't put agony on you then you are good to go. You problem is that you think that gear beyond exotic matters , everyone who plays wvw knows this..

Stay focused people, I'm all about the best in slot.  

 

BiS is what I want to be available without a deadly boring grind or months on end of playing catchup through dailies.

 

I do not care about nor believe the statements by other players that it doesn't matter because in WvW I assure you there are situations every day where it does.  So either they need to equalize the gear for WvW and then let people do whatever for their PVE gear or they need to make this gear obtainable through WvW and other means at the same rate as it is available to fractal grinders/mat buyers/people who use their wallets to buy mats.

 

That is my opinion.  Yours may differ.  But you can't argue me out of it because the simple fact is, BiS gear isn't available without that dungeon grind unless you're willing to remain half a year or so behind the dungeon grinders.  Maybe that means nothing to you, but for me it's a deal breaker.  No more money of mine for Anet.

 

 

this is no longer true as of the last patch.. so its no longer a fact at all.. also why would you need to give them any more money to begin with?

How is it not true?  If I do my daily every day I get one piece of gear a month.  Did they change it to something reasonable?  If so I apologize, I didn't realize.

 

Also, as far as money goes, I would have bought more character slots and expansions.  

you have a monthy as well.. but overall the point is you no longer have to sit and just to fractals to get the gear just need more time.. but you are still stuck in the you need BiS to be very effective in WvW and that is just BS...

 

The monthly generally has fractals as I recall.  I rarely do dungeons and never when I feel forced to.  You are welcome to your opinion on BiS.  I will continue to strive for the most level playing field possible in my PvP.  I also don't like fighting undergeared and underleveled players by the way.

well considering now most people in WvW have exotic gear you are on the MOST even playing field with a full set of exotic

I'll have to take your word for it, I quit when Ascended gear hit.  I don't like game devs that don't keep their promises.  I thought maybe this new Laurel system would correct that, but no.

Originally posted by Madimorga

 

I'll have to take your word for it, I quit when Ascended gear hit.  I don't like game devs that don't keep their promises.  I thought maybe this new Laurel system would correct that, but no.

so you didn't even stick around to see it really has little effect on the game as a whole? and WvW as a whole either? seems odd to me must not of liked the game much to begin with which is fine.. hope you find something but i wouldn't get your hopes up of finding any large scale seige warfare like this with such a small gear disparity...

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

 

I'll have to take your word for it, I quit when Ascended gear hit.  I don't like game devs that don't keep their promises.  I thought maybe this new Laurel system would correct that, but no.

so you didn't even stick around to see it really has little effect on the game as a whole? and WvW as a whole either? seems odd to me must not of liked the game much to begin with which is fine.. hope you find something but i wouldn't get your hopes up of finding any large scale seige warfare like this with such a small gear disparity...

People did the gear math.  The stat difference added up to far more than anyone is admitting to in this thread.  That was enough for me.

Thank you for a civil discussion, however.  I don't have much in the way of hopes either, sadly.  Pretty much given up on MMOs. Glad for you if you still enjoy GW2!

Originally posted by Madimorga

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Madimorga

 

I'll have to take your word for it, I quit when Ascended gear hit.  I don't like game devs that don't keep their promises.  I thought maybe this new Laurel system would correct that, but no.

so you didn't even stick around to see it really has little effect on the game as a whole? and WvW as a whole either? seems odd to me must not of liked the game much to begin with which is fine.. hope you find something but i wouldn't get your hopes up of finding any large scale seige warfare like this with such a small gear disparity...

People did the gear math.  The stat difference added up to far more than anyone is admitting to in this thread.  That was enough for me.

 

Thank you for a civil discussion, however.  I don't have much in the way of hopes either, sadly.  Pretty much given up on MMOs. Glad for you if you still enjoy GW2!

 

 

stat calculations don't work in a game with active dodging and LoS as they would in a game like WoW.. it really doesn't work like that in a game like this.. if you can show me in game people dominating because they have ascended gear then sure.. i have yet to see it. To me it just feels people making a witch hunt over something that isn't an issue in real world(game world) situations.. if you seen the movie moneyball think that shows a good point especially the near the  very end when it comes to just statistics...