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  Crazyhorsek

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1/30/13 9:46:14 AM#81

Like I said on another thread that was closed:

 

"This is one of the best news I've heard about TES Online!!!!

Omg it IS DAOC 2 AFTER ALL!!!! Thanks Zenimax!!!! Really.

Thats how DAoC worked and that was the perfect formula. Why? Because in games like WoW 2 things happen - one you go by your enemy and nothing happens - I'm mining he's fighting mobs - which makes no sense - or high levels come and kill all lowbies which just ruins the fun and creates a bad feeling in people, specially kids, that think "When I'm high level I'll just come here and kill everyone also".

Now with this kind of lock in place, if you want to pve you're in your homeland... its fine. And if you want to pvp you have level bracket persistant battlegrounds like DAoC and you go there for that purpose. Or you can PvE there but you know the risks. You could pve in battlegrounds and frontiers of DAoC but... well there were consequences if the enemy faction showed up.

Plus be assured that, in this "locked model" if you cross anyone from the opposing factions its NOT to collect herbs or mine a node near you its just to kill you - no friendly "oh hes mining let him be" mode... advice if you're playing TES and if you see anyone that isnt from your faction, kill them - strike first.

The motto of DAoC is back - RED IS DEAD."

 

Plus imagine you live in Britain and you're at war with denmark, norway, germany and france... even if you wanted to see the alps or the black forest, would you risk it and go there? Would you even get near the alps or close to the black forest? No... Would you, as a brit cross path with a german that was going to "check out London and move up to stonehenge"? No...

This is why faction lock is awesome.

If you want to explore the other faction's cities or lands... reroll... its still a game. You couldnt reroll in RL to see Berlin...

In DAoC I loved the feeling when the first time you saw a different faction race was actually a moment of tension, because we both knew we werent looking at someone who is just "going by"... nop, sometimes you took your time to look at eachother true, because you've never seen a living kobold or a firbolg before... then well you'd just kill them (or the other way around).

"Red is dead" is back and I love zenimax for it!

  Agent_Joseph

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1/30/13 10:00:48 AM#82
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Don't give a fuck.

Gameplay elements are far more important in MMORPG than some stupid RACE/GENDER/FACTION locks.

 

 

sory,  are you mean on MMO-SHOOTER-G ,not mmorpg   ?

 

It is why are not playing it as TES online game,just I ll be focused on PvP only

 

I am sure for most rpg players TES is sinonim for absoluty freedom

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Sovrath

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1/30/13 10:04:11 AM#83
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

The motto of DAoC is back - RED IS DEAD."

 

Yeah, but I think the real issue isn't that the former (and even current?) DaoC players are going to have a successor to the game they love but that Elder Scrolls players aren't necessarily getting the online game they thought they would be getting.

As in another thread, the OP posted that players are complaining because they never tasted the "awesomness" of DAoC yet never once does he mention anything elder scrolls.

 

  Aeonblades

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1/30/13 10:06:11 AM#84
No, If anything it will be good for the game. We have enough games where your choices don't matter, let's have one where it does.

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  Nitth

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1/30/13 10:11:35 AM#85


Originally posted by Grunch
No because back in its early days DAoC was better. For an online environment end game ORvR will keep the people excited far longer then boring sleep inducing dull boring pve. 3 Faction PvP and ORvR is where was at bro.
Fixed that for you "bro".


Also you will probably only be locked to a faction on that specific server. I'm sure you will be able to log into another server and role a toon on another faction so BOOM there you go faction unlocked son.

1 Server Confirmed.

Probably only comes with 1 character slot too... (Cash shop expandable maybe?)


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  FromHell

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1/30/13 10:15:08 AM#86

I hate needing an ALT to see everything. I want ONE character, and I want to go EVERYWHERE.

´nuff said

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  deakon

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1/30/13 10:20:32 AM#87
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Grunch
No because back in its early days DAoC was better. For an online environment end game ORvR will keep the people excited far longer then boring sleep inducing dull boring pve. 3 Faction PvP and ORvR is where was at bro.

Fixed that for you "bro".

 

 


Also you will probably only be locked to a faction on that specific server. I'm sure you will be able to log into another server and role a toon on another faction so BOOM there you go faction unlocked son.

1 Server Confirmed.

 

Probably only comes with 1 character slot too... (Cash shop expandable maybe?)

Now we are just making stuff up to bash the game?

  rojoArcueid

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1/30/13 10:20:55 AM#88

i think they should keep the pvp in cyrodil, but let everyone wander around the whole map as friendly. Its not going to affect the lore. You dont see elves attacking you on sight in any TES game jsut because you are a norn.

 

let everyone explore all maps without conflict. You want pvp, go to cyrodil, but dont lock maps to factions.

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  Aeonblades

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1/30/13 10:22:52 AM#89
Originally posted by rojo6934

i think they should keep the pvp in cyrodil, but let everyone wander around the whole map as friendly. Its not going to affect the lore. You dont see elves attacking you on sight in any TES game jsut because you are a norn.

 

let everyone explore all maps without conflict. You want pvp, go to cyrodil, but dont lock maps to factions.

This is a pretty good idea. Worth looking into for them.

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  Sovrath

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1/30/13 10:23:11 AM#90
Originally posted by FromHell

I hate needing an ALT to see everything. I want ONE character, and I want to go EVERYWHERE.

´nuff said

I would have to say I agree with you.

  sea.shell

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1/30/13 10:23:59 AM#91

If i and my friends get faction seperated because we have different appearance favors for certain gear or skin color, we don't bother with the game.

Since i haven't seen the FULL Character Editor and played around with it myself. I can't say yet.

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  Jojin

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1/30/13 10:27:26 AM#92

While I do think me and my friends may have different preferences in what race we might like to play, it is normally a fleeting issue and we settle on group.

In the larger scope, I think it is a good choice to segment the factions with things which make them unique past fluff or a name.  Racial differences and conflict fit well into any world design.  It's an aspect of someone which cannot be changed and thus is a base part of forging bonds based on something in common.

So many games attempt to appeal to everyone so much so the game itself is watered down; everyone is like everyone else.  So it is nice developers may be swinging back to designing games with the game in mind and not appeasing everyone's whims.

  Crazyhorsek

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1/30/13 10:27:48 AM#93
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

The motto of DAoC is back - RED IS DEAD."

 

Yeah, but I think the real issue isn't that the former (and even current?) DaoC players are going to have a successor to the game they love but that Elder Scrolls players aren't necessarily getting the online game they thought they would be getting.

As in another thread, the OP posted that players are complaining because they never tasted the "awesomness" of DAoC yet never once does he mention anything elder scrolls.

 

Ok, fair enough BUT...

If they never tried DAoC and The Elder Scrolls was never an mmorpg, what kind of game were "TES players" thinking they would be getting and what grounds did they even have to think anything about a TES mmo?

The grounds are "current mmos" mixed with "TES lore"... like WoW meets TES. Which would be a disaster and a good way to ruin the TES series.

When it comes to this issue, I was a daoc player since beta and Im a tes player since TES2 daggerfall and I cant come up with a better game that fits the TES series as an mmorpg than DAoC.

People only know the "new mmos"... which to be honest, they're all kinda bad... apart from The Secret World that is in a class of its own - but the rest is rather quite the same thing with different art. And if most people are only exposed to the latest crap fest that have been mmos since 2004, then they have no idea how this new mmo concept would hurt The Elder Scrolls... but they might have an idea if they take a look at WAR or SWTOR...

  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 10:32:40 AM#94
But you wouldn't do that one one character anyway.

If they made the game pve anywhere to start with they would make less pve full stop, because they wouldn't need it.

If they magically flipped a switch now, you Still wouldn't play all the content, because you would end up out leveling it.

Stop thinking in terms of a typical themepark mmo, where they give each faction a starter area, but most of the world is shared. Then think they just split that in 3. Daoc was its own beast really, you could loosely call it a themepark but it worked very differently, you had in effect 3 pve worlds. TESO will be like if you took vanilla rifts world, then made another 2 worlds entirely new and gave them to each faction.
  meddyck

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1/30/13 10:37:27 AM#95
This is where not having played the RPGs comes in handy because faction lock doesn't matter to me at all. Or maybe it actually increases my interest since that's how DAOC handled having 3 sided RvR.

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  koboldfodder

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1/30/13 10:38:16 AM#96

The majority of people who play video games do not play computer games.

The majority of people who play computer games do not play MMOs

The majority of people who play MMOs want nothing to do with PVP

The majority of people who play PVP MMOs want open world PVP.

The majority of people who play open world PVP want nothing to do with a WOW clone.

 

If you read the forums, the majority of people who critisize TESO do so because it reminds them of WOW.  The same themepark MMO they have been tryin got shove down our throats for the past seven years.  This game manages to insult just about every fanbase at one.  There has been so much negativity about this game from the second it was announced, there is no way it can overcome the anti-hype.

 

Why model this game around DAOC....a game that at the very best you can only call a mediocre success for two years.  Why not model it around the actual game it is supposed to represent, The Elder Scrolls.  Because the developers are too lazy to try to figure out new ideas.

 

 

 

  rygard49

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1/30/13 10:41:45 AM#97

I'm okay with faction lock. It worked well in DAoC to keep a grief free leveling zone for all three factions. Restrictions like that are akin to the disallowance of crossfaction chat, it lowers the amount of griefing one would be subjected to otherwise.

Personally I'm fine if I get ganked during PvP, and I can enjoy a bit of back and forth chat with an enemy, but for many that would be a dealbreaker. I'd prefer to have many people to enjoy the game and play with than to drive off a fanbase because of excessive griefing. Remember it's all one big server, so there's no PvP or PvE server you can choose from.

  deakon

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1/30/13 10:45:36 AM#98
Originally posted by koboldfodder

The majority of people who play video games do not play computer games.

The majority of people who play computer games do not play MMOs

The majority of people who play MMOs want nothing to do with PVP

The majority of people who play PVP MMOs want open world PVP.

The majority of people who play open world PVP want nothing to do with a WOW clone.

 

If you read the forums, the majority of people who critisize TESO do so because it reminds them of WOW.  The same themepark MMO they have been tryin got shove down our throats for the past seven years.  This game manages to insult just about every fanbase at one.  There has been so much negativity about this game from the second it was announced, there is no way it can overcome the anti-hype.

 

Why model this game around DAOC....a game that at the very best you can only call a mediocre success for two years.  Why not model it around the actual game it is supposed to represent, The Elder Scrolls.  Because the developers are too lazy to try to figure out new ideas.

 

 

 

It has more in common with tes than daoc.

It's using faction lock and rvr from doac, but the combat system, stat system, itemization, sneaking, lore, even the progression system is closer to tes than daoc, it's taking the gameplay of tes games and adding the PvP from daoc, not just slapping a tes skin on daoc

  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 10:48:32 AM#99
Crazy

There seems to be two setups the "true tes fans" want

GROUP A seem to want a fantasy eve (which I personally would enjoy actually)

GROUP B seem to want a heavy pve game where they can team up with everybody simmilar to EQ I guess. And they might concede some magical flip switch pvp servers in the vein of wow/swtor/rift.

Neither of those are compatible. If they made a game for group A, group B would hate it (getting ganked, full loot etc). If they made a game for group B, group A would hate it (no pvp or crappy wow style ctf minigames etc..)

What zenimax are trying to do is make a happy medium that looks after pve as much as pvp, and looks after themepark as much as sandbox.

Pretty much like what daoc did.
  Sovrath

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1/30/13 10:51:04 AM#100
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

The motto of DAoC is back - RED IS DEAD."

 

Yeah, but I think the real issue isn't that the former (and even current?) DaoC players are going to have a successor to the game they love but that Elder Scrolls players aren't necessarily getting the online game they thought they would be getting.

As in another thread, the OP posted that players are complaining because they never tasted the "awesomness" of DAoC yet never once does he mention anything elder scrolls.

 

Ok, fair enough BUT...

If they never tried DAoC and The Elder Scrolls was never an mmorpg, what kind of game were "TES players" thinking they would be getting and what grounds did they even have to think anything about a TES mmo?

The grounds are "current mmos" mixed with "TES lore"... like WoW meets TES. Which would be a disaster and a good way to ruin the TES series.

When it comes to this issue, I was a daoc player since beta and Im a tes player since TES2 daggerfall and I cant come up with a better game that fits the TES series as an mmorpg than DAoC.

People only know the "new mmos"... which to be honest, they're all kinda bad... apart from The Secret World that is in a class of its own - but the rest is rather quite the same thing with different art. And if most people are only exposed to the latest crap fest that have been mmos since 2004, then they have no idea how this new mmo concept would hurt The Elder Scrolls... but they might have an idea if they take a look at WAR or SWTOR...

They are probalby thinking that they will get something akin to morrowind or skyrim online. Or essentially an elder scrolls game but "online". This whole DAoC thing is just about the pvp. It has absolutely nothing to do with any Elder Scrolls game.

The grounds are probably based in the idea that these games are huge open worlds where all one has to do is allow more players and they will be complete. They are probably thinking that there is no reason to submerge it in modern mmo conventions because modern mmo conventions don't necessarily embody what elder scrolls games have been about.

Though I will say that an Elder Scrolls Online game might have been better served with a Guild Wars 1 design in keeping it closer to an Elder Scrolls game.

 

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