Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Biskop
The whole premise of the thread is wrong. Practically all current AAA games are PvE centric, with PvP tacked on as a side dish.

But I guess the op think having 95% of the market catering to his tastes isn't enough.. .

Yeah it does take the expression, "crying with a loaf a bread under each arm" to whole different level.

 

Indeed.

I'd have to say for myself I would probably be 80% PvE and 20% PvP. I agree with what seems to be most everyone else in that it really is annoying to hear or see in chat, "I pwned you! You suck...blah blah blah."

Just for that its one of the main reasons I don't PvP because I like to be immersed in the MMO game I am playing and that kind of talk takes me out of the immersion when I realize I'm playing against a 12 year old.

Also, my biggest complain with PvP is the notion of PvP "zones". If I really wanted to play capture the flag or team deathmatch I would play Halo or an MMOFPS. For an MMORPG PvP "zones" again take away from the immersion and is so "WoW-like" which I feel in this day and age is finally a BAD thing. Open World PvP is the wave of the future and I'm hoping ESO brings that to the table and the the devs listen to the petition going on now on being able to explore all of Tamriel regardless of faction or reputation.

Obviously they should lock out lower level zones so people are not ganked repeatedly when leveling, but once you are within 10 levels of the cap it should be completely free-for-all just like in the real world. If I'm going from point A to point B in a high level area why not have a possibility of getting ganked.

It adds so much to the immersion of the game in that the virtual world acts like the real world where anything can happen at any time.

You are probably wrong. WOW is still 10M ... and most WOW is about pve.

Personally i play STO for the story missions .. so pve again. Surely there are pvp MMO like PS2, but there are still a lot of players doing Pve.

I mostly just pve now.  That's why I play GW2, TSW, Tera, STO, etc on pve servers or avoid pvp zones.

I don't really like faction based pvp.  I hated it in Rift and EQ2 (that was horrid).  I didn't care for it much in wow either.  I don't mind WvW in GW2, but that's more like scrimmaging than pvp.

For pvp to work for me it needs to be part of the game, designed with that in mind.  Lineage was great pvp to me.  Everything else after that, not so much.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by sakinah

 

I love pvp in mmo or in any game in general but i really dont like this trend of  "I FKIN OWND YOU BITCH!I FKED YOUR MOM LAST NIGHT!YEAH!!!".

 

That sadly is one of the dangers of playing MMOs with your Dad.

 Haha

Originally posted by Isturi

It seems that todays gamers are just for pvp and ganking anymore. It seems that lore and pve has taken a back seat with MMO gaming anymore. Do gamers of today even care about lore or pve or do they perfer to just get the game role a class and go out and try to gank someone for a cheap thrill? I get the impresion that DEV are catering most MMO games now to the pvp crowd.

Am I wrong?

 

 Yes.  There has always been and likely always will be far far more people that regularly pve than people that regularly pvp.

Pvp will be popular but IMO the majority of people will only pvp occasionally and/or on their own tersm (consent, bg, instances, specific zones...).

Pve is by far the majority.

The PvP crowd generally is more vocal because balance and issues like bugs/exploits have a much more negative experience on PvP than they generally do in PvE.

Also, in perfectly balanced PvP you'd win only 50% of the time and lose 50% of the time.

So a lot of the time, the bitching and moaning is about their own comparitive lack of skill (which is almost always inflated by the person who assumes they are only losing due to balance issues.)

That's how I see it anyway - most of the games have PvP as a side item and are heavily PvE focused, but you hear about it a LOT more when there are "issues" even perceived ones on the PvP side of things.

Competition will always brew disent - because there is always a loser.

Originally posted by mmoDAD

WoW literally brought all the kids to the genre.

 

In the early days (UO, EQ, SWG, DAoC), most MMO gamers were "nerds" and adults. The overall attitude was mostly passive. There was still ganking etc, but it wasn't second nature to all.

WoW released. It was a much more dumbed down version of any MMO ever experienced. It wasn't bad or anything, but just simpler. It ended up spreading like wildfire within the middle school / high school community. It's just that the Newer Generation of kids are all prissy and sassy.

I literally cannot stand this generation of kids. When I see that damn Justin Beiber haircut, I just want to rage and bury my fist right in their face... over and over and over and over again.

 

Bro & Brah...     Idiot Language.

 Personally I think this is compeletey total and absolutely wrong.

The average gamer today is mid-30's.  People playing EQ were just as young, if not younger than today's average gamer.  There was less ganking in EQ because there were only 3-4 pvp servers and they were the least populated, yet on those servers there was a whole lot of ganking of lower levels going on. 

Bro and Brah is from 20 years ago language, was much more common back then.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Biskop
The whole premise of the thread is wrong. Practically all current AAA games are PvE centric, with PvP tacked on as a side dish.

But I guess the op think having 95% of the market catering to his tastes isn't enough.. .

This, and if the near future has some OWPvP games coming out, then it's the fault of the PvE players for getting bored of their PvE content and moving on to another game leading the developers to aim at a neglected sector of the market.

Agree with both of you. The whole thread is based on a false statement.

Hopefully, Trion will not westernize the crap out of ArcheAge and keep it as true to its designers' intentions as possible.

Originally posted by Avestria
I play MMO's only for PVE, I stray away from PVP and such as I dislike it. PVP brings out the worst in people xD.

O RLY?

http://youtu.be/5sVqyzHfe50

Pvp has more staying power than pve, I always completed all the pve and then got bored waiting for more until i eventually got bored of pvp also.

I doubt this will change though, pve is just waaay too easy these days to the point ive about given up on mmorpgs.

The irony that you thought PvE was dying out when it's pvp on the short end of the stick :-p

So pking someone is a cheap thrill but killing a boss in a raid is not a cheap thrill?

Am I getting this right?

Originally posted by Drolkin

So pking someone is a cheap thrill but killing a boss in a raid is not a cheap thrill?

 

Am I getting this right?

Pretty much. If you have to kill someone with 3 monsters on them at half health, well, don't be surprised when PvP in PvE MMO's finally bites the dust for good. Pretty soon they will be two different games.

Who says you have to kill someone fighting 3 monsters? 

PvE is a joke outside the circle of top progressors, everyone else just copies what they do to beat the encounters.

Originally posted by Drolkin

So pking someone is a cheap thrill but killing a boss in a raid is not a cheap thrill?

 

Am I getting this right?

 Uh yes.  I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but there is a significant difference between an npc running a script and a person playing a character.

Originally posted by Scottgun

Originally posted by Avestria
I play MMO's only for PVE, I stray away from PVP and such as I dislike it. PVP brings out the worst in people xD.

O RLY?

 

http://youtu.be/5sVqyzHfe50

Lol, PvE'ers, stay classy