Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by redcap036

A few questions; 

Q) what is the, " Moonstone Mask Tavern" about and why do I need VIP acess to it?

Q) Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta, why would I need this?

 it's only open beta, surly I would want Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Opening day, maybe it's a typo?

thanks for any answers.

1.  I'm gonna assume it works like the VIP area in SWTOR did.  Your account gets flagged and you get to go in there and socialize.  There may even be a special gera merchant that will allow VIPs to buy special skins, but that's just a guess.

2.  Not sure but you may be right.

You guys are confused  200$ pack give:

[quote]• Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta
• Beta Weekend Friend Invite code
• Exclusive access to ‘Menzoberranzan Renegade', a Drow playable race like the legendary ranger Drizzt Do'Urden, complete with unique racial abilities and tattoo
• Unique ‘Armored Spider' mount
• Unique ‘Panther Companion'
• In-game and forum ‘Founder' title
• VIP Game Access to skip-the-line and get priority log-in access[/quote]

Read carefully BY VIP they mean you skip to the head of the line on login if there a line up to get in game.

It states in the description that there is VIP to the tavern.  Go back and read the paragraph above the list.  I'd copy it but I'm on an iPad and copy/pasting gets touchy.  There is also early access to the foundry.

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin
Plopping $200 first thing tomorrow.  I have never purchased any sort of Founder box, Collector Edition or Lifetime subscription but I am so positive that NWO is going to be that game, I want to insure they know I support their business.  Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhh huh.... just like SWTOR, TSW, AoC, and evey game that offered a lifetime sub also thought that their game was THE game of the second coming?

Only the person who paid for the service can say it is or it isn't.  As someone who has followed the game since the begining and have watched every gameplay video from all the Cons and read all the interviews I am convinced this is "that" game for me and only "I" can say it is, not someone else.

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Way to expensive for founders packs... what is this new BS where companies make us pay to supposedly beta test?

You're really just paying for early access, guaranteed beta time, and a few perks.  If you can wait, might as well!  It'll be F2P after all.

I can understand a 60$ founder pack. It's kind of like buying a ps3 game or buying the client if you will but 200$ is just retarded

The $200 pack is obviously not meant for everyone, which is why there are three tiers to the program. I'm not sure why people react this way every time a new game announces a pack like this. Think back to any MMO you've ever played, didn't you know that 'one guy' who always played? Even when you took a break for six months and came back? He'd still be there happily playing like it was the first month of launch.

That's the player who will be interested in the top-tier pack. It's not like PWE (or any other game offering this sort of thing) is only offering a single high priced tier.  No one's forcing you to buy the thing. The fact of the matter is that game development costs real money and being able to guarantee some sort of upfront revenue is pretty attractive, especially when you're giving away the game for free. I think offering excited and dedicated fans some additional value in exchange for an upfront cost can be a real win-win for both parties involved when done well.

Have at it if you want to criticize the actual content:value ratio of this particular pack (or any other), but I think the kneejerk scoffing at the price of these high-tier packs and $150 Collector Editions is honestly a bit silly.

Exactly Bill.

 

As a fan of ALL things RA Salvatore, Drizzt, D&D, and Action Combat with Dungeon Delving (plus the Foundry)  I intend to show PWE & Cryptic my support with this pack.  I have disposable income so it's not that big of deal for me to spend money on things I like.  Glad PWE and Cryptic is offereing this for "us fans".

I'm Mike, FWIW. :P

 

Exactly Bill.

 

I'm Mike, FWIW. :P

lol yours and Bills initials are the same but in reverse maybe that did it =p.

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by redcap036

A few questions; 

Q) what is the, " Moonstone Mask Tavern" about and why do I need VIP acess to it?

Q) Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta, why would I need this?

 it's only open beta, surly I would want Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Opening day, maybe it's a typo?

thanks for any answers.

1.  I'm gonna assume it works like the VIP area in SWTOR did.  Your account gets flagged and you get to go in there and socialize.  There may even be a special gera merchant that will allow VIPs to buy special skins, but that's just a guess.

2.  Not sure but you may be right.

You guys are confused  200$ pack give:

[quote]• Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta
• Beta Weekend Friend Invite code
• Exclusive access to ‘Menzoberranzan Renegade', a Drow playable race like the legendary ranger Drizzt Do'Urden, complete with unique racial abilities and tattoo
• Unique ‘Armored Spider' mount
• Unique ‘Panther Companion'
• In-game and forum ‘Founder' title
• VIP Game Access to skip-the-line and get priority log-in access[/quote]

Read carefully BY VIP they mean you skip to the head of the line on login if there a line up to get in game.

It states in the description that there is VIP to the tavern.  Go back and read the paragraph above the list.  I'd copy it but I'm on an iPad and copy/pasting gets touchy.  There is also early access to the foundry.

I'm pretty active in the NW forum and it doesn't say that there, Cmpinpointerror an actual dev was busy updating info their for awhile.

Even here at kotaku they don't mention any VIP tavern, thinking maybe the info here at mmorpg is wrong.

Originally posted by Rogal_Urson

Ok. I am calling bullshit on the Hero of the North pack.  I want to see the actual accounting sheets with the amounts tabulated under GAAP to make my own determinations here.  I know business accounting, I also know sales and gaming.  I realyl don't see how anything in that pack is valued at over half a grand. 

Show me the accounting numbers so I can see the money!!!

Did you really just say "show me the money?"

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by redcap036

A few questions; 

Q) what is the, " Moonstone Mask Tavern" about and why do I need VIP acess to it?

Q) Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta, why would I need this?

 it's only open beta, surly I would want Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Opening day, maybe it's a typo?

thanks for any answers.

1.  I'm gonna assume it works like the VIP area in SWTOR did.  Your account gets flagged and you get to go in there and socialize.  There may even be a special gera merchant that will allow VIPs to buy special skins, but that's just a guess.

2.  Not sure but you may be right.

You guys are confused  200$ pack give:

[quote]• Five-day head start access to Neverwinter Open Beta
• Beta Weekend Friend Invite code
• Exclusive access to ‘Menzoberranzan Renegade', a Drow playable race like the legendary ranger Drizzt Do'Urden, complete with unique racial abilities and tattoo
• Unique ‘Armored Spider' mount
• Unique ‘Panther Companion'
• In-game and forum ‘Founder' title
• VIP Game Access to skip-the-line and get priority log-in access[/quote]

Read carefully BY VIP they mean you skip to the head of the line on login if there a line up to get in game.

It states in the description that there is VIP to the tavern.  Go back and read the paragraph above the list.  I'd copy it but I'm on an iPad and copy/pasting gets touchy.  There is also early access to the foundry.

I'm pretty active in the NW forum and it doesn't say that there and it doesn't say that on the forum, Cmpinpointerror an actual dev was busy updating info theior for awhile.

 

Even here at kotaku they don't mention any VIP tavern, thinking maybe the info here at mmorpg is wrong.

You may be right, not sure because I haven't been as active on the NW boards these past few weeks.  The info that redcap was asking about came right out of the initial post so anything is possible.  Either way, I don't have $200 bucks to put on this and if I did, my wife would string me up.  I will at least I've the game a go and see how it plays.  My friends and I loved plaing Forgotten Realms  back in the day so I hope this is done right.

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin
Plopping $200 first thing tomorrow.  I have never purchased any sort of Founder box, Collector Edition or Lifetime subscription but I am so positive that NWO is going to be that game, I want to insure they know I support their business.  Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhh huh.... just like SWTOR, TSW, AoC, and evey game that offered a lifetime sub also thought that their game was THE game of the second coming?

Only the person who paid for the service can say it is or it isn't.  As someone who has followed the game since the begining and have watched every gameplay video from all the Cons and read all the interviews I am convinced this is "that" game for me and only "I" can say it is, not someone else.

And apparently you missed my point completely.  Many, many, many, so so many times have people singed your exact tune and later sing a completely different tune.

And I too have watched all the videos, read the intervies, know all the pros and cons.  I've followed it since it was announced back when Atari was in the picture.  I will give you a run for your money with what you know with what I know.  And right now you nor anyone can really say what this game will be and cannot say if this game is really for you.   Your speaking in blind fanboism, sorry if that's offensive but you are not seeing the game for what it is.  You enthralled with the concepts and mechanics but what the game will be is still larely unknown.  For all we know they could completely butcher the game by making it a WoW clone game.  Take Demon Stone, has the classes, the influence but none would ever really call that a D&D game like Baulder's Gate or IWD or NWN.

What Cryptic should have done before this announcement was to release some real high quality demos, info, blogs, and vids.  Instead they are asking people to give them money on blind faith.

Originally posted by drkoracle

So we give you $200, basicly a year or more worth of sub fees to many other tested games and if the game sucks then.....

Not a chance in hell, let me test it first and for an extended amount of time, if it is a game I know i will love and play for years then sure, maybe.

How many other games have promised the world only to disapoint,  Age of Conan Collectors Edition - Regret, Diablo 3 Collectors Edition - MASSIVE REGRET. 

You want way more than any of them charged for a game I have only seen video clips of ?

No thanx :)

 

 

 

THIS! ^

Is this a copycat of Marvel Heroes or what ! Is this what games are coming to? Sucks

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by Asm0deus

Way to expensive for founders packs... what is this new BS where companies make us pay to supposedly beta test?

You're really just paying for early access, guaranteed beta time, and a few perks.  If you can wait, might as well!  It'll be F2P after all.

I can understand a 60$ founder pack. It's kind of like buying a ps3 game or buying the client if you will but 200$ is just retarded

The $200 pack is obviously not meant for everyone, which is why there are three tiers to the program. I'm not sure why people react this way every time a new game announces a pack like this. Think back to any MMO you've ever played, didn't you know that 'one guy' who always played? Even when you took a break for six months and came back? He'd still be there happily playing like it was the first month of launch.

That's the player who will be interested in the top-tier pack. It's not like PWE (or any other game offering this sort of thing) is only offering a single high priced tier.  No one's forcing you to buy the thing. The fact of the matter is that game development costs real money and being able to guarantee some sort of upfront revenue is pretty attractive, especially when you're giving away the game for free. I think offering excited and dedicated fans some additional value in exchange for an upfront cost can be a real win-win for both parties involved when done well.

Have at it if you want to criticize the actual content:value ratio of this particular pack (or any other), but I think the kneejerk scoffing at the price of these high-tier packs and $150 Collector Editions is honestly a bit silly.

Exactly Bill.

 

As a fan of ALL things RA Salvatore, Drizzt, D&D, and Action Combat with Dungeon Delving (plus the Foundry)  I intend to show PWE & Cryptic my support with this pack.  I have disposable income so it's not that big of deal for me to spend money on things I like.  Glad PWE and Cryptic is offereing this for "us fans".

I'm Mike, FWIW. :P

My bad. 

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin
Plopping $200 first thing tomorrow.  I have never purchased any sort of Founder box, Collector Edition or Lifetime subscription but I am so positive that NWO is going to be that game, I want to insure they know I support their business.  Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhh huh.... just like SWTOR, TSW, AoC, and evey game that offered a lifetime sub also thought that their game was THE game of the second coming?

Only the person who paid for the service can say it is or it isn't.  As someone who has followed the game since the begining and have watched every gameplay video from all the Cons and read all the interviews I am convinced this is "that" game for me and only "I" can say it is, not someone else.

 

Just out of curiosity, have you read the CO and STO forums? What level of expectation do you have from Cryptic in terms of commitment to NWN's development?

You sound a lot like me and many others before those games launched. Maybe I'm just being cynical but I've been disappointed by Cryptic so many times and it's not because they make bad games. Far from it. Their games are actually pretty decent. It's the mediocre commitment they give to their development post launch that's disheartening.

Both CO and STO could be great games, they each have fantastic elements that simply need to be polished and given some TLC. The problem is Cryptic is not in the business of making great games, they're in the business of making cheap games - and believe it or not, I'm paraphrasing Jack Emmert.

And if you don't believe me, I simply encourage you to read the CO and STO forums and ask the die hard fans questions about the state of their game and the commitment Cryptic has given them.

Originally posted by sylum69

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin
Plopping $200 first thing tomorrow.  I have never purchased any sort of Founder box, Collector Edition or Lifetime subscription but I am so positive that NWO is going to be that game, I want to insure they know I support their business.  Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhh huh.... just like SWTOR, TSW, AoC, and evey game that offered a lifetime sub also thought that their game was THE game of the second coming?

Only the person who paid for the service can say it is or it isn't.  As someone who has followed the game since the begining and have watched every gameplay video from all the Cons and read all the interviews I am convinced this is "that" game for me and only "I" can say it is, not someone else.

 

Just out of curiosity, have you read the CO and STO forums? What level of expection do you have from Cryptic in terms of commitment to NWN's development?

You sound a lot like me and many others before those games launched. Maybe I'm just being cynical but I've been disappointed by Cryptic so many times and it's not because they make bad games. Far from it. Their games are actually pretty decent. It's the mediocre commitment they give to their development post launch that's disheartening.

Both CO and STO could be great games, they each have fantastic elements that simply need to be polished and given some TLC. The problem is Cryptic is not in the business of making great games, they're in the business of making cheap games - and believe it or not, I'm paraphrasing Jack Emmert.

And if you don't believe me, I simply encourage you to read the CO and STO forums and ask the die hard fans questions about the state of their game and the commitment Cryptic has given them.

 

I agree with you about CO and STO. I do put some faith in Perfect World though. They have a good track record, and if they were willing to publish it based off what they saw, then I am willing to risk it. They obviously see something in the game and think they can make money on it.

I've been following this game closely for a while and have a good feeling about it. I don't know about spending $200, but $60 doesn't sound too bad.

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by azzamasin
Plopping $200 first thing tomorrow.  I have never purchased any sort of Founder box, Collector Edition or Lifetime subscription but I am so positive that NWO is going to be that game, I want to insure they know I support their business.  Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhh huh.... just like SWTOR, TSW, AoC, and evey game that offered a lifetime sub also thought that their game was THE game of the second coming?

Only the person who paid for the service can say it is or it isn't.  As someone who has followed the game since the begining and have watched every gameplay video from all the Cons and read all the interviews I am convinced this is "that" game for me and only "I" can say it is, not someone else.

And apparently you missed my point completely.  Many, many, many, so so many times have people singed your exact tune and later sing a completely different tune.

And I too have watched all the videos, read the intervies, know all the pros and cons.  I've followed it since it was announced back when Atari was in the picture.  I will give you a run for your money with what you know with what I know.  And right now you nor anyone can really say what this game will be and cannot say if this game is really for you.   Your speaking in blind fanboism, sorry if that's offensive but you are not seeing the game for what it is.  You enthralled with the concepts and mechanics but what the game will be is still larely unknown.  For all we know they could completely butcher the game by making it a WoW clone game.  Take Demon Stone, has the classes, the influence but none would ever really call that a D&D game like Baulder's Gate or IWD or NWN.

What Cryptic should have done before this announcement was to release some real high quality demos, info, blogs, and vids.  Instead they are asking people to give them money on blind faith.

And yet no one is required to spend any money to play the game.  You can wait for the game to release, buy a Jan issue of PCGamer, prepurchased TL2/Raiderz or get lucky.  Hell you could even be nice to me and I will give you my spare key.  I'm not ashamed to admit I am a fanboy, if the game ends up tanking then I'll be upset but its not the end of the world.  However I am willing to give the company my $$$ to playtest early and get some goodies I consider good investment.  Only I can say these things and I am willing to partake in this marketing plan because I think its right for me.

If I can actually play the game totally for free, I would consider buying a $40-$60 pack AFTER I play for a while and decide I like it and want to keep playing.

I will never give any money to any game company until I see the finished product, read the reviews, and decide to try it for myself.