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  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

 
OP  1/29/13 7:33:20 AM#161
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

There are borders inbetween, so yes. They do meet. And no, there is not a switch but a few thousand lines of programming that might have to be added and/or removed. Tamriel is a whole island continent, not twenty seperated islands.

  User Deleted
1/29/13 7:35:13 AM#162
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by ikarrian

I'd say: Come back here and complaint when you've acctaully played the game.

Ppl do love to make a Hen out of a feather.

If I order a Pizza and they put Anchivies onto it I would get angry if the store said "Wait till you get it and take a bite, you will love it".

This is the same thing, I know I don't like it so waiting till I play the game will not change that.

Thats what Betas are for. If you get in, you get a chanse to voice your oppinion.

Why dont you ask for a food-sample first then? Because i dont think he'll understand if you ask him to Beta test the pizza...

  Maelwydd

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Posts: 1133

1/29/13 7:37:09 AM#163
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

Not strictly true. Hammerfell and High rock both border Skyrim and there are bodies of water between others so not exacly an impassable object.

But agreed there is not switch unless the block is just a faction check in which case it might just be a few lines of code to make the check, block access and post the message. It is simply unknown the mechanic for blocking access.

  VassagoMael

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Posts: 502

1/29/13 7:38:02 AM#164
PFFT. You are about two years late for that.

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1133

1/29/13 7:39:02 AM#165
Originally posted by ikarrian

Thats what Betas are for. If you get in, you get a chanse to voice your oppinion.

Why dont you ask for a food-sample first then? Because i dont think he'll understand if you ask him to Beta test the pizza...

So I can only voice my opinion about the subject in the beta, not here, in a thread for people to voice their opinion......right.....

  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

 
OP  1/29/13 7:39:16 AM#166
Originally posted by ikarrian
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by ikarrian

I'd say: Come back here and complaint when you've acctaully played the game.

Ppl do love to make a Hen out of a feather.

If I order a Pizza and they put Anchivies onto it I would get angry if the store said "Wait till you get it and take a bite, you will love it".

This is the same thing, I know I don't like it so waiting till I play the game will not change that.

Thats what Betas are for. If you get in, you get a chanse to voice your oppinion.

Why dont you ask for a food-sample first then? Because i dont think he'll understand if you ask him to Beta test the pizza...

I don't think you understood the metaphor. If you already know you don't like anchovies on your pizza and there might be a possibility for change, why not tell them and let them know that before they've already placed the fish on the pizza?

And no, I'll stop you right there. We want an Elder Scrolls MMO, and we want it to be open, for all of us. No matter where our main character is located.

  asrlohz

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Joined: 7/29/11
Posts: 662

Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

 
OP  1/29/13 7:43:16 AM#167
Originally posted by VassagoMael
PFFT. You are about two years late for that.

Two years ago it wasn't even announced. There is still time for modifications. If you agree with the idea, please sign the petition. If not, just don't sign it. However your comment is appreciated. The more traffic we bring to this topic, the bigger is the chance of it making it to someone higher up.

For example, the admins for this site has more influence than we do, if they were to make a big deal out of it someone whom is connected to a lot of media, say Totalbiscuit, could bring it forth and since he has quite a big influence not only on youtube, but in the gaming world itself it would bring even further notice to the problem.

Hence, getting a lot of signatures will help us bring attention by the higherups. That's how petitions work, that's how media work.

  deakon

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Joined: 3/07/11
Posts: 588

1/29/13 7:45:14 AM#168
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by ikarrian

I'd say: Come back here and complaint when you've acctaully played the game.

Ppl do love to make a Hen out of a feather.

If I order a Pizza and they put Anchivies onto it I would get angry if the store said "Wait till you get it and take a bite, you will love it".

This is the same thing, I know I don't like it so waiting till I play the game will not change that.

No it isnt, its like you get offered an anchovy pizza (because thats all they have made) and then get angry, rather than just calmly refusing and walking away.

 

You havent paid for anything and if you do pay for it you will get what they have for sale, games arent made to order, they are what they are and you have the choice to either play them or not

  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1089

1/29/13 7:45:49 AM#169
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

Not strictly true. Hammerfell and High rock both border Skyrim and there are bodies of water between others so not exacly an impassable object.

But agreed there is not switch unless the block is just a faction check in which case it might just be a few lines of code to make the check, block access and post the message. It is simply unknown the mechanic for blocking access.

 Yes it is true, you can't explore all of Skyrim, Hammerfell or High Rock. Look at this map on this link. http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release Where do you see borders that touch? A little research goes a long way.

  User Deleted
1/29/13 7:47:46 AM#170

I'm too busy reading everything as i make lunch before i gotta run again. There is also a chanse that he could like that pizza, He dont know unless he tried it before and was sure he did not. But we havent seen the TESO system yet, So we dont know if we will like it or not, Do we?

This whole thread is based on assumptions and guessing about the system. So "i'll just stop you right there" as you said.

  Yamota

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Posts: 6506

"I fight so you don't have to."

1/29/13 7:49:52 AM#171

ESO should be a large seamless world where you should be able to go wherever you want and join whatever faction you want (but obviously with consquences). This locking you into a faction is just rubbish, a copout and goes against the spirit of Elder Scrolls games.

Will that happen? No, the game is a ThemePark and no ThemePark to date has had a large seamless world where you have the freedom to join whichever side you want (or not at all). ThemeParks are highly controlled game arenas where the developers tell you what you can and cannot do. Easy for them but rubbish as gameplay (imo).

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1133

1/29/13 7:51:33 AM#172
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

Not strictly true. Hammerfell and High rock both border Skyrim and there are bodies of water between others so not exacly an impassable object.

But agreed there is not switch unless the block is just a faction check in which case it might just be a few lines of code to make the check, block access and post the message. It is simply unknown the mechanic for blocking access.

 Yes it is true, you can't explore all of Skyrim, Hammerfell or High Rock. Look at this map on this link. http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release Where do you see borders that touch? A little research goes along way.

Confused....

The map clearly shows Skyrim borders hammerfell and High Rock. Seeing as Skyrim is 1 faction and High Rock/hammerfell is another, and their border touch...

What as I missing here as I still don't see what you are going on about.

  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1089

1/29/13 7:51:55 AM#173
Originally posted by Yamota

ESO should be a large seamless world where you should be able to go wherever you want and join whatever faction you want (but obviously with consquences). This locking you into a faction is just rubbish, a copout and goes against the spirit of Elder Scrolls games.

Will that happen? No, the game is a ThemePark and no ThemePark to date has had a large seamless world where you have the freedom to join whichever side you want (or not at all). ThemeParks are highly controlled game arenas where the developers tell you what you can and cannot do. Easy for them but rubbish as gameplay (imo).

 Look at the map http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6506

"I fight so you don't have to."

1/29/13 7:52:42 AM#174
Originally posted by ikarrian
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by ikarrian

I'd say: Come back here and complaint when you've acctaully played the game.

Ppl do love to make a Hen out of a feather.

If I order a Pizza and they put Anchivies onto it I would get angry if the store said "Wait till you get it and take a bite, you will love it".

This is the same thing, I know I don't like it so waiting till I play the game will not change that.

Thats what Betas are for. If you get in, you get a chanse to voice your oppinion.

Why dont you ask for a food-sample first then? Because i dont think he'll understand if you ask him to Beta test the pizza...

So let me get this straight, they (the devs/producers) are allowed to release data before release but you cannot comment on it unless you have actually played it?

Sorry but that is just nonsense. If they dont want people to comment on certain aspects of the game then they should not release any info pre-release or open beta.

  Fearum

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Posts: 1089

1/29/13 7:52:48 AM#175
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

Not strictly true. Hammerfell and High rock both border Skyrim and there are bodies of water between others so not exacly an impassable object.

But agreed there is not switch unless the block is just a faction check in which case it might just be a few lines of code to make the check, block access and post the message. It is simply unknown the mechanic for blocking access.

 Yes it is true, you can't explore all of Skyrim, Hammerfell or High Rock. Look at this map on this link. http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release Where do you see borders that touch? A little research goes along way.

Confused....

The map clearly shows Skyrim borders hammerfell and High Rock. Seeing as Skyrim is 1 faction and High Rock/hammerfell is another, and their border touch...

What as I missing here as I still don't see what you are going on about.

 Did you scroll down and look at the playable areas? Scroll down about half way down the page when he highlights each factions playable areas at realease.

  deakon

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1/29/13 7:53:49 AM#176
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by alakram
I want to explore the full map with one character, it can't be difficult to remove that boundaries, I signed it.

Aye, they can remove the boundries, no problem at all. However the major problem would be making the barriers seamless. Since the game world isn't intact. All the factions are instanced within themselves. Think of it as the different continents in WoW. But even so, I'd be fine with one loading screen between the maps if that is the only way to solve it, but seamless would be the ideal solution for the ultimate immersion.

 Have you even looked at the map? There is no point where the faction territory comes together. The only thing that they all touch is Cyrodiil, which you probably go through a portal or something to get too. Its funny you think there is a switch that they can just turn on to open the game up.

 

Not strictly true. Hammerfell and High rock both border Skyrim and there are bodies of water between others so not exacly an impassable object.

But agreed there is not switch unless the block is just a faction check in which case it might just be a few lines of code to make the check, block access and post the message. It is simply unknown the mechanic for blocking access.

 Yes it is true, you can't explore all of Skyrim, Hammerfell or High Rock. Look at this map on this link. http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release Where do you see borders that touch? A little research goes along way.

Confused....

The map clearly shows Skyrim borders hammerfell and High Rock. Seeing as Skyrim is 1 faction and High Rock/hammerfell is another, and their border touch...

What as I missing here as I still don't see what you are going on about.

Go to the bottom of that post, its shows the areas that wont be in the game at launch one of those areas is the side of skyrim that borders hammerfell/high rock

  Maelwydd

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1/29/13 7:55:09 AM#177
Originally posted by ikarrian

I'm too busy reading everything as i make lunch before i gotta run again. There is also a chanse that he could like that pizza, He dont know unless he tried it before and was sure he did not. But we havent seen the TESO system yet, So we dont know if we will like it or not, Do we?

This whole thread is based on assumptions and guessing about the system. So "i'll just stop you right there" as you said.

I have played games with invisible walls before. I have played faction locked game before...I don't play them now. There is a reason.

I don't have to wait a long time or beta test the game to tell me I don't like TESO having locked borders and race locked factions. I can't make it any clearer and seeing as my wonderful Anchovie story didn't sink in I will leave it there.

  sapphen

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1/29/13 7:56:07 AM#178
Originally posted by Maelwydd

If people are factionless at start then people can wander the entire world of Tamriel (you know, one of the major selling points of the game) without it being an issue.

If race wasn't locked into faction then people wouldn't see an Orc and automatically know which faction they belonged to and so would not assume they are in your lands for Evil reasons.

Up until the point where someone aligned themselves with one of the factions they would be free to be whatever they wanted, a trader, adventurer, blacksmith, potionmaker. Mages could go on pilgramages to the College at Winterhold, Bretons could visit the swamps of the far east or the cloudy morrowind.

Factions, or rather race locked factions assigned at character creation just destroys so much potential and freedom. I still am baffled that anyone can see an advantage to it. You can still have 3 faction PvP without locking it to race.....what benefit does locking it have? Really, I struggle to see any benefit.

I agree with you.  Try not to get tied up into the arguments here, they will only make you feel worse.  I want to start a support group for TES fans who feel this way.  A private forum so we can discuss how we feel without getting attacked by DAoC/ESO fanatics who rage at us.  They call us haters and trolls but we are only lovers. We love the Elder Scrolls series, the freedom and exploration but our passion is not important here nor to the developers who created ESO.

I don't care if you accept faction locks or not, it's a knee-jerk reaction to TES fans hearing what they are doing in ESO.  A sickening feeling that drops to the pit of your stomach... after ESO release there will be a lament heard all around the world from the silent majority.

  ice-vortex

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1/29/13 7:57:34 AM#179
Originally posted by ShakyMo
They'd be better dropping this megaserver nonsense and having alternative ruleset servers. Pretty much like daoc.

Pretty much my view. I want truly open world PVP.

 

Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by asrlohz
Originally posted by RefMinor
Too late, they won't be making any major changes now. Tweaks and bug fixes only from here on in.

Damn you and your realistic view points!

But I suppose you're right, however maybe they will consider it as a subject of change in the feature, aye?

that's quite "mission impossible" as well... once you've created an architecture of how the game works and how the server handles the game you can't just go and change the basic grounds on which the game is built on. It would require alot of work and I doubt they'll want to do it, sadly


Nothing stopping them from have different 'megaservers' with different rulesets such as PVP and PVE.

  Yamota

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1/29/13 7:58:50 AM#180
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Yamota

ESO should be a large seamless world where you should be able to go wherever you want and join whatever faction you want (but obviously with consquences). This locking you into a faction is just rubbish, a copout and goes against the spirit of Elder Scrolls games.

Will that happen? No, the game is a ThemePark and no ThemePark to date has had a large seamless world where you have the freedom to join whichever side you want (or not at all). ThemeParks are highly controlled game arenas where the developers tell you what you can and cannot do. Easy for them but rubbish as gameplay (imo).

 Look at the map http://www.tesof.com/topic-available-areas-on-teso-release

Not sure what your point is. Unless I missed something in that topic, all it is saying are these areas will be available when playing ESO and it says which faction has access to what. So for each faction only 1/3+Cyrodil will be available to you. The other 2/3 of the world will be off limits for you unless you create another faction character.

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