Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by DarkVergil

This game is FAR from a sandbox. Just another korean grindfest.

 

You want a true sandbox wait for tirion's Archeage.

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People are saying AOW is pay to win, though i looked in the cash shop and dont see anything usable for pvp.

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Do you know you can use real life money to buy gold, then convert it into silver?

In AOW, silver is the only currency that can be used in trading between players, and it can help you cultivate your skills, buy better gears, medicines, skill books, hell, you can even buy people's life with silver (bounties).

Originally posted by Rinna

It doesn't have in depth crafting either.  From first look, it seemed like it was in depth crafting but the system feels incomplete.  I played for about 3 weeks with hopes that this game would scratch the crafting itch I've carried around since pre CU SWG and it falls very, very short.

The beginning items that you can craft in any of the professions are not really items that anyone needs.  Other than bags, boxes and bread... everything that lower crafters can create are items that are easily found in the game and nobody needs a crafter to make them.  Once you get better at your chosen craft, new recipes (are very limited) can only be obtained through drops in instances... which require a group.  i can't just craft.  Why can't I just CRAFT damnit.

Well since weapons, poisons, pills, handles, life skill scripts and hundreds of other things don't drop anywhere low level crafters can do pretty damn good, by making components and farming.

right now I'm looking at 25 pages of low level recipes. 7 items per page 90% about 5 to 15 silver. You do not in any way shape or form have to do an instance to get something. Why not pay the 10 silver instaed of doing an instance and hoping on a drop and a roll?

Why can't you just craft?

Harvestables... Farming:  you can farm about 30 different items, 7 of which are actually items that other players want or need.  Fishing, same thing... fish scales sell, fish bones, bladders, meat, tails, eyes do not sell.  Hunting, of a huge diverse list of about 150 items you can skin and loot from animals in the world, players use and will buy about 6.  Mining - Ore seems to sell relatively well, thanks to the open world pvp, guild and school battles... everyone wants better weapons and the way to obtain those is from Weaponsmiths.  Herbalists can sell one flower and one herb out of a ton that are pickable... Poison makers can sell one flower as far as I could tell.

I don't farm, but I made poisons. Remeber we are only playing about 33% of the game. There are materials we can get, but no recipe to make them yet.

The hottest commodity in game seems to be the skill books which can be looted.  You can learn other schools books to a certain level and all the 'flying' books sell really well.  Books are not craftable, painters and scholars can help you combine pages into readable books.

yep

The game has depth because everything is ... deeper than a normal themepark game where a monkey can run around from ! to !.  It also has a bit of a language barrier to entry where most of the frames in game were made for chinese lettering and English just runs right off the page.  Trying to figure out what the hell is going on is half the battle throughout pretty much every system in the game.  There is more to it than your average North American MMO though, that is for sure.

fair enough lol

My favorite parts were jumping and flying around and learning the harvesting/crafting system.  Also, protecting my schools scrolls from other players was fun.  I really WISH the crafting/harvesting/open market system was as robust and awesome as it looks first glance.  Age of "Wishu had a good crafting game".

Wait till they put the other 66% of the game in ;)

Nice post, I feel like arguing... that's all

If that's true about only 33% of the game being 'in' then I might eventually be back 'in'... but if it's been out for 2+ years in China, what is preventing the whole game from being here now?  

Oh, and I did buy the 3 tailoring recipes that I found on player stores, but I never found any additional recipes.  I'm fine with buying them from people that run instances and loot them.  I just never found any past those 3.

OP, perhaps you should play more than the tutorial before making these claims?

Your post comes off as very uninformed, and reminds me of someone who's played 3 hours of EVE and complain that there's nothing to do.

LOL played whole day doing only quests :D:D good job man

start farming mini instances, each drop like 10 recipes maybe more, some are very important in future, in chinese server some of them were selling for 100L as a lot people needed them for quests for 3rd internal

I think its like 18% of what chinese version have and its still rising, NA version have more than You see, but they blocking it atm

What makes this game a sandbox, someone care to explain?

Originally posted by Rinna

If that's true about only 33% of the game being 'in' then I might eventually be back 'in'... but if it's been out for 2+ years in China, what is preventing the whole game from being here now?  

Oh, and I did buy the 3 tailoring recipes that I found on player stores, but I never found any additional recipes.  I'm fine with buying them from people that run instances and loot them.  I just never found any past those 3.

I'm not sure about the exact percent, but so far we can only craft up to silver quality. There is still gold and jade after that.  Zones, skill sets, the battle ground system, recipies, etc..

The personal stall system is forieng to most of us western gamers. Yes, you can walk up and go stall just like a market, OOOOR you can hit the little scales on the bottom right, from anywhere in the scene, and get a list of all stalls, or have item listed by type, like ore, weapons, pills ect..

Originally posted by FromHell

What makes this game a sandbox, someone care to explain?

 

What makes it a themepark is the question.... The only thing I can come up with is that there are quest, and dungeons... What makes EVE a sandbox? 

This game does NOT look sandbox too me either.

People will still call it a sandbox tho.

I've seen people call GW2 and similar games a sandbox. Please.

So I generaly understand some are confused and want AoW to be one as well.

But to be fair and reconcile, I'd call it a hybrid.

Originally posted by Onomas

You dont have to do quests lol. Nor do you even have to kill anything to level up in this game.

And who says quests arent in sandbox games? Every sandbox i have played from my first to this has had quests, story, and more. THink people are working too hard to try to claim it as a themepark like they are doing with Archeage.

People need to go read up on sandboxes and then understand anything themepark can easily be in a sandbox, and doesnt make it a hybrid or a themepark. Since a sandbox does everything a themepark does and then some.

 

There is no clear cut way a sandbox has to be, long as there is freedom, choice, and openess. Which AOW has.

I completely agree with this........apparently there is no real definition of a sandbox, and most people just create their own definition of what it means to them. I'm not fond of Age of Wushu at all, but then again I don't have the time to invest in something like that game.

I care I was lied that AoW was sandbox but in reality is the worst scam ever.

Things that make this game sandbox according to fanboys: No restrictions - Say what??? I had a quest to go to the guild NPC and he gave me a quest to make my own guild or join a guild but I couldn't cause I was restricted by my "growth" ops another thing that came to mind this game has no levels??? really??? I can't join a guild cause I'm too weak yet??? isn't that what leveling is??? so pretty much you gain different titles that characterise your levels for example: mind and body are weak or something stupid like that.

Some here said you don't have to touch quests at all...really??? I did only quests and thats how I got sword style and like 20 skills if I didn't I would never had those skills.

To the guy who says cash shop is not a problem,I deleted this game and can't get screenshots of everytime I was asked to go topoff real money to my account it was so often its not even funny. I played total of 3 hours was asked about 30+ times to go add money everytime I pressed to add a skill or something and at the end to open my shop or gain offline skills that's the biggest unfainess I ever seen in these scam games.

Originally posted by StarI

This game does NOT look sandbox too me either.

People will still call it a sandbox tho.

I've seen people call GW2 and similar games a sandbox. Please.

So I generaly understand some are confused and want AoW to be one as well.

But to be fair and reconcile, I'd call it a hybrid.

AoW and GW2 in the same sentence is like saying WoW and SWG in the same. 

Yes, for your first couple hours of the tutorial AoW is a linear, hand holding themepark. 

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura

Originally posted by Divona

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura

I keep seeing people calling this game a sandbox game and after playing all day today I saw that this game has nothing to do with sandbox.

From the start till the end(all day) all I saw was daisy chained quests and they were so stupid you don't have to read or figure out anything you simply click on NPC name or place where you have to go for the quest then just go to a bathroom break or smoke cause your character will go there autorunning.

Looks like a fun solo/single player game cause if you want to PvP at all you have to pay more then you make by working in real life.

Sound like EVE Online. Pick up mission from NPC, click autopilot, bathroom break or smoke.

Never played Eve, all I play are fantasy MMORPG the rest not interested.

don't worry, he did neither :)

and if, he was only in low lvl pve.

I agree.

It's not sandbox, but it has sandbox elements.

But who cares about the definition.. It's fun :)

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by StarI

This game does NOT look sandbox too me either.

People will still call it a sandbox tho.

I've seen people call GW2 and similar games a sandbox. Please.

So I generaly understand some are confused and want AoW to be one as well.

But to be fair and reconcile, I'd call it a hybrid.

AoW and GW2 in the same sentence is like saying WoW and SWG in the same. 

 

Yes, for your first couple hours of the tutorial AoW is a linear, hand holding themepark. 

Good, as I can't see where I mentioned both in the same sentence. And neither have I compared those two. I however compared the mentality behind people calling games sandbox even tho the said games are not sandbox - pointing out that some would probably call even WoW a sandbox, and that under this light it's rather easy to understand AoW has been and will be called out as a sandbox by some players.

I think those fan goggles you wear are getting thicker. ;-)

I agree it is not a sandbox. I would classify it as a sandpark. There are little "sandboxs" that give you a little bit of a sandbox feel, but they are not all interconnected. There is a support structure of a themepark which hold your hand and takes you over to each sandbox so you can build a castle or whatever, then it takes your hand and guides you over to another one. That is my look on it.

Not a bad game, but not a sandbox. This is a sandpark in my opinion.

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura

I care I was lied that AoW was sandbox but in reality is the worst scam ever.

Things that make this game sandbox according to fanboys: No restrictions - Say what??? I had a quest to go to the guild NPC and he gave me a quest to make my own guild or join a guild but I couldn't cause I was restricted by my "growth" ops another thing that came to mind this game has no levels??? really??? I can't join a guild cause I'm too weak yet??? isn't that what leveling is??? so pretty much you gain different titles that characterise your levels for example: mind and body are weak or something stupid like that.

Some here said you don't have to touch quests at all...really??? I did only quests and thats how I got sword style and like 20 skills if I didn't I would never had those skills.

To the guy who says cash shop is not a problem,I deleted this game and can't get screenshots of everytime I was asked to go topoff real money to my account it was so often its not even funny. I played total of 3 hours was asked about 30+ times to go add money everytime I pressed to add a skill or something and at the end to open my shop or gain offline skills that's the biggest unfainess I ever seen in these scam games.

There is more than combat alone.Strange as it may seem, some people like crafting and farming mats.If AoW is the best place for these kind of people?  IMHO no, there isnt much depht: almost zero progression in farming(buy it, plant it. or just click on the shiny rock)

Originally posted by legendsolo

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura

I care I was lied that AoW was sandbox but in reality is the worst scam ever.

Things that make this game sandbox according to fanboys: No restrictions - Say what??? I had a quest to go to the guild NPC and he gave me a quest to make my own guild or join a guild but I couldn't cause I was restricted by my "growth" ops another thing that came to mind this game has no levels??? really??? I can't join a guild cause I'm too weak yet??? isn't that what leveling is??? so pretty much you gain different titles that characterise your levels for example: mind and body are weak or something stupid like that.

Some here said you don't have to touch quests at all...really??? I did only quests and thats how I got sword style and like 20 skills if I didn't I would never had those skills.

To the guy who says cash shop is not a problem,I deleted this game and can't get screenshots of everytime I was asked to go topoff real money to my account it was so often its not even funny. I played total of 3 hours was asked about 30+ times to go add money everytime I pressed to add a skill or something and at the end to open my shop or gain offline skills that's the biggest unfainess I ever seen in these scam games.

There is more than combat alone.Strange as it may seem, some people like crafting and farming mats.If AoW is the best place for these kind of people?  IMHO no, there isnt much depht: almost zero progression in farming(buy it, plant it. or just click on the shiny rock)

well i didnt play it, but from what i read - isnt mats farming w/o combat impossible? i mean, it has open world pvp after i think 5. or 10. level in ANY (including crafting) school is reached, and therefore you have to train combat to be able to defend yourself, dont you?

before we start we need to agree on something , blue = blue , white = white ??

so whiner who alway want a sandbox game in my themepark game alway cry and when someone releases a real sandbox game they dont even know that a sandbox game and still whine .

you realy think sandbox = player housing ?? then maybe rift a sandbox for you ??

that just like one of my friend who downloaded eve and played one day for tell me ''where the sandbox element , look just like a boring shooter in space''

if you dont get it : yes often in this type of game you need to play more that one day and you need to get something in your brain , most mmorpg player today will just log in , think that boring f2p asian , some will not even understand the battle system , some will get lost at the start for go attack the high level npc ( who will kill them one shot LOL ) some will understand nothing , and leave .

im realy enjoying both type of game usualy but age of wushu realy classify as a sandbox game