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  Zarriya

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Joined: 9/03/10
Posts: 227

1/26/13 10:47:12 AM#21
I have been playing SOE games for over 5 years and have had nothing but positive things to say about their customer service.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 10:54:16 AM#22
Originally posted by Torgrim

Why SOE got so much flak was their SWG dumbing down patch called NGE, people won't forget that.

Personly I don't have any problem with SOE at all the real evil are EA The devour of game studios hurler of crap games and sinister money greeder..

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

  Bl4ck3nD

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Joined: 4/08/10
Posts: 115

1/26/13 11:00:04 AM#23

The last SoE game I ever played was Potbs it was an awesome game at the start, there were some bugs and a few balancing issues (though very minor in my opinion) it had an awesome economy and a tactical PvP battle system that was very deep.

It seemed like every patch they applied seemed to hinder the progress of the game and not really address the issues that were present in game from the start. Now I'm not sure whether it was SoE or Flying Lab that was in charge of the direction of the game at the time but every SoE game I've tried seems to go in a similar direction.

Either way I hold no hate against them just a caution towards the games they publish and the direction their games seem to go.

  Sandbox

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Joined: 8/23/06
Posts: 309

1/26/13 12:08:59 PM#24
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

NGE was SOEs baby, both SOE as company and developers have said so numerous times. You may even find posts about it here at MMORPG.  And you have never seen anything published by Lucas Arts contradicting this.

Trying to stop the NGE had nothing to do with Tiggs losing her job. She was as unaware of the NGE as any of the non-top management peoples. She stopped working for SOE some time after the release. It is assumed that she was tired of lying to the customers.

I don’t think SOE is evil, they were just acting very stupid and made some very bad decisions.

That said, they have the entire quilt for the NGE disaster. It’s SOE and the people that continued to support these kind of actions during the months after the NGE that are to blame. You know it and see what you got. Companies took the concept one step further and guess what we got? SWTOR, the game you talks bad about as soon you have a chance. That’s YOUR baby indirectly….

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 12:19:32 PM#25
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

  Latronus

Novice Member

Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 718

PC is not political correctness, it means Political Cowardice!

1/26/13 12:28:15 PM#26
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Well there's your problem.  You listened to Smedley!  He's just like a politician, when he rolls over at night and tells his significant other that he loves them, he's lying!  

  Sandbox

Novice Member

Joined: 8/23/06
Posts: 309

1/26/13 12:32:41 PM#27
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Torres was the Lucas Arts Producer, its custom that the producer presents updates to their games.

So, accordingly to YOU, Smedley said they only hosted the game? Who did the design and development then? Who did the internal secret game testing? It was all done by SOE and it’s very well described by the late SOE developer Jeff Freeman at this very site, search for posts by Dundee.

  cura

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/24/04
Posts: 860

1/26/13 12:34:42 PM#28
Yes it is. 
  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 12:37:24 PM#29
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Well there's your problem.  You listened to Smedley!  He's just like a politician, when he rolls over at night and tells his significant other that he loves them, he's lying!  

I didn't listen to Smedley, I thought that before he even said it. I just don't believe he has the stones to to make a major change to another companies IP. What LA says, SOE does

It is the same thing as what happened with the prosieben deal, higher ups were making EU players go to prosieben, and he did not have the stones to change their minds, although did eventually, or the higher ups saw that it was a mistake.

  superniceguy

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 12:41:45 PM#30
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Torres was the Lucas Arts Producer, its custom that the producer presents updates to their games.

So, accordingly to YOU, Smedley said they only hosted the game? Who did the design and development then? Who did the internal secret game testing? It was all done by SOE and it’s very well described by the late SOE developer Jeff Freeman at this very site, search for posts by Dundee.

After the NGE was done, and it was realsed a mistake, Julio Torres left and SOE took over. Producers of SWG after Julio Torres was SOE

SOE hosted the game, and also were the developers, but it was LA / Julio Torres that told them what to do.

  Latronus

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Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 718

PC is not political correctness, it means Political Cowardice!

1/26/13 12:42:40 PM#31
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Well there's your problem.  You listened to Smedley!  He's just like a politician, when he rolls over at night and tells his significant other that he loves them, he's lying!  

I didn't listen to Smedley, I thought that before he even said it. I just don't believe he has the stones to to make a major change to another companies IP. What LA says, SOE does

It is the same thing as what happened with the prosieben deal, higher ups were making EU players go to prosieben, and he did not have the stones to change their minds, although did eventually, or the higher ups saw that it was a mistake.

Super, lighten up a bit man, I was only half serious.  I don't trust Smed as far as I can throw a punch and hit him in the throat, but I was just trying to put a little humor in here to lighten the mood a bit.  I didn't play SWG so I have no idea who did what, but I don't trust SOE for other decisions they've made.

  Fangrim

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Joined: 1/07/12
Posts: 469

1/26/13 12:50:53 PM#32
SOE are the best gaming company out there,best MMORPG's and best customer service.Never had a problem at all and in VG I get a GM contacting me in game sometimes within 5 minutes of sending my ticket,quite simply the best I have ever experienced.Also I have my best MMO memories from playing EQ2 .
  Wighty

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Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 563

 
OP  1/26/13 12:51:29 PM#33

FKN DERAILED!

I didn't intend for this post to be another NGE discussion....

 

Let it go, she ain't coming back... I know she broke your heart... There's other fish in the sea...

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  superniceguy

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 12:53:50 PM#34
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Well there's your problem.  You listened to Smedley!  He's just like a politician, when he rolls over at night and tells his significant other that he loves them, he's lying!  

I didn't listen to Smedley, I thought that before he even said it. I just don't believe he has the stones to to make a major change to another companies IP. What LA says, SOE does

It is the same thing as what happened with the prosieben deal, higher ups were making EU players go to prosieben, and he did not have the stones to change their minds, although did eventually, or the higher ups saw that it was a mistake.

Super, lighten up a bit man, I was only half serious.  I don't trust Smed as far as I can throw a punch and hit him in the throat, but I was just trying to put a little humor in here to lighten the mood a bit.  I didn't play SWG so I have no idea who did what, but I don't trust SOE for other decisions they've made.

Lighten up? I was only explaining stuff!

No company can really be trusted but SOE have been the only company I have managed to get any positivity out of. All others is like banging your head against a brick wall. Maybe it is because I stuck with them for SWG the game, not for SOE themselves, and got to know the staff more. SOE has more of a clue to running a MMO than most other companies, and they evolve with the MMO market.

 

  Latronus

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PC is not political correctness, it means Political Cowardice!

1/26/13 12:55:13 PM#35
Originally posted by Fangrim
SOE are the best gaming company out there,best MMORPG's and best customer service.Never had a problem at all and in VG I get a GM contacting me in game sometimes within 5 minutes of sending my ticket,quite simply the best I have ever experienced.Also I have my best MMO memories from playing EQ2 .

When did you start playing VG?  I was there from closed beta until about 6-9 months after release.  SOE basically let it rot for a long time.  I will agree though that I haven't had issues with CS.

  Latronus

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1/26/13 12:57:05 PM#36
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Well there's your problem.  You listened to Smedley!  He's just like a politician, when he rolls over at night and tells his significant other that he loves them, he's lying!  

I didn't listen to Smedley, I thought that before he even said it. I just don't believe he has the stones to to make a major change to another companies IP. What LA says, SOE does

It is the same thing as what happened with the prosieben deal, higher ups were making EU players go to prosieben, and he did not have the stones to change their minds, although did eventually, or the higher ups saw that it was a mistake.

Super, lighten up a bit man, I was only half serious.  I don't trust Smed as far as I can throw a punch and hit him in the throat, but I was just trying to put a little humor in here to lighten the mood a bit.  I didn't play SWG so I have no idea who did what, but I don't trust SOE for other decisions they've made.

Lighten up? I was only explaining stuff!

No company can really be trusted but SOE have been the only company I have managed to get any positivity out of. All others is like banging your head against a brick wall. Maybe it is because I stuck with them for SWG the game, not for SOE themselves, and got to know the staff more. SOE has more of a clue to running a MMO than most other companies, and they evolve with the MMO market.

 

Just thought you may have misunderstood where I was going man, that's all.  

  Sandbox

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1/26/13 12:57:37 PM#37
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sandbox
Originally posted by superniceguy

The thing is though, The NGE was mainly LA, and it was LA reps (ie Julio Torres who was also responsble for KOTOR, Force Unleashed) selling the NGE when it emerged, and even some SOE staff (eg Tiggs) lost their jobs trying to stop the NGE from happening, but because SOE were the front focus they got slammed, and LA got away scot free, to screw evryone over agian with SWTOR

SOE is definately not evil.

I agree with EA being evil though!

Why are you continuing to spread this disinformation about the SOE and the NGE?

 

Because I simply do not believe anything else. Julio Torres is in that video, not Smedley or any one from SOE. Why would LA do that if the NGE was bad? They would not and let SOE do it if they were the ones responsible for the NGE

Here is the initial forum post of the NGE on SOE forums, again by Julio Torres/LA and not SOE.

Whoevers "baby" it was, would be the ones promoting it.

The only reason SOE had anything to do with it, was because they were the ones hosting it. LA called the shots, as stated by Smedley himself

Torres was the Lucas Arts Producer, its custom that the producer presents updates to their games.

So, accordingly to YOU, Smedley said they only hosted the game? Who did the design and development then? Who did the internal secret game testing? It was all done by SOE and it’s very well described by the late SOE developer Jeff Freeman at this very site, search for posts by Dundee.

After the NGE was done, and it was realsed a mistake, Julio Torres left and SOE took over. Producers of SWG after Julio Torres was SOE

SOE hosted the game, and also were the developers, but it was LA / Julio Torres that told them what to do.

The net is full of testimonies regarding who did what; you just have made up your mind to ignore the truth.
 

  Damon

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1/26/13 1:06:16 PM#38
I must admit, when I see SOE on a game title I lose interest immediately.  To me, SOE is where games go to die a slow agonizing death.  I do not recall any need to use their customer service in the past.  However, your post seems to indicate that SOE is good now, because you asked if they would take your money and they said yes.

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  turkishmafia

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1/26/13 1:08:32 PM#39

SWG, 'nuff said.

No matter how amazing  a game they release is, it's future is not guaranteed. Everything you work for may mean nothing overnight.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/26/13 1:12:31 PM#40
Originally posted by Wighty

FKN DERAILED!

I didn't intend for this post to be another NGE discussion....

 

Let it go, she ain't coming back... I know she broke your heart... There's other fish in the sea...

Sorry but I thought it was relevant, as the NGE seems to be the main reason why people still bash SOE.

If people can see that Julio Torres was behind the NGE, and was also responsible for KOTOR, which did great there, then people may see that people make mistakes from time to time, and people can fianlly lighten up on SOE.  The Force Unleashed 1 was not that bad either, it was pretty good. SOE certainly do not need to be bashed for the NGE still, when they were not in full control of it, and neither should LA really, although they no longer exist, and it is under Disney now.

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