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1/28/13 1:59:41 AM#41
D3 is not an MMO. It is an action RPG. The previous titles had the very nice option for you to play with your friends, if you wanted. The online co-op was a fun feature, but at it's core Diablo is a single player game. Not to mention how many times I could not play D3 because of connection problems was also an issue.
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Originally posted by Banquetto
I'm pretty sure that is the "real" answer. I don't buy the lame "because it's free" argument and I also don't buy the "so you can see other people in towns" argument.
It's clearly just a double standard that is used when judging a game from Blizzard against any other game.
I do think, however that if there wasn't an AH, then the on-line requirement wouldn't have been required by Blizzard. So, outside the hipsters, that is probably the reason why. It's an extra layer of complaint to pile on the AH hate. |
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1/28/13 9:05:29 PM#43
Originally posted by Psychow OK, then PoE should charge 60$ for the box and charge for DLC they develop later. Or are they suppose to give you the game for free, not require online, and just charge for Vanity/DLC? Why do I feel like I'm the only person around here still living in reality? |
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1/28/13 9:20:38 PM#44
Because I'm not paying $60 for PoE.
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1/28/13 9:25:01 PM#45
While I don't think that the ONLY reason is because the game is free that is definitely one logical and sensible reason. Let's look at it in another context. 1. Company A, who is known for making great burgers in the past, develops a new buger and hypes the heck out of it. People who enjoy bugers from Company A are excited because Company A hasn't delievered any new burgers for a while and if the trend from their previous burgers can be believed this might just be the best burger ever made! And at only $60 it's a steal! When the burger fails to live up to expectations the consumer is angry. They had expectations that they believed to be well founded on the history of Company A and then Company A delievers this TRIPE! GIMME... MY... MONEY... BACK!
2. Company B has no history. They're brand new. They've decided to make burgers. They give out their burgers for free. Their free burgers suck in all the same ways that Company A's new burger did. Consumer throws the burger away, shrugs, and thinks... well, you get what you pay for.
The hype, the cost, and the percieved value (for said cost) are factors that come into play in the consumer reaction. Free makes a HUGE difference in consumer reaction. Saying the price difference isn't relavent between games is like saying that the attractivness level isn't relavent when choosing a girl/boyfriend. Ugly is ugly, pricey is pricey. |
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1/28/13 9:27:41 PM#46
I haven't read all the replies so I don't know if anyone touched on what I'm about to say or not. It's simply because D3 was marketed as a Single Player or Multiplayer game and no one saw the point in having to login -- and deal with login issues -- to play Single Player. PoE on the other hand markets itself as a MMO -- though some would disagree due to all the instancing like Guild Wars -- and thus no one has an issue with logging in to play since that's typically what you do to play a MMO.
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1/28/13 9:28:03 PM#47
Originally posted by iamrta No....but PoE is a complete clone of D3...it just added more stuff D3 didn't put in the game. It's pretty sad the majority of PoE was cloned right down to the UI and looks in general. No originality whatsoever. Cheap..... |
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1/28/13 9:39:43 PM#48
I too dont buy the "its free" thing, my crap is free to so it must be better than yours right? Now back to topic I LOVE d2 and to me NOTHING will ever be better than D2 in its gameplay, EVER! There are NUMERUS things i do not like that PoE has to offer but i bite the bullet and play any ways. I for one would GLADLY pay 59.99 for it...actually i wish it was B2P. Would keep alot of the kiddies outta general chat. just cuz sumthign is free dosnt make it better. better than D2 you say? HA! Dont make me laugh...it may be on par with D2 but no way is it better than D2...players are already trying to get it turned into a WoW clone by suggesting WoWish gameplay tweaks to eh Devs in hopes they imply it. the biggest one is a AH wich the Devs aready stated they will not be inserting EVER thank god. PoE is a great game, probly the BEST game i played this year. I see alot of ppl saying its better than D3 and comparing to to D3 and such in chat. This game is what D3 shud have been in my opinion, but in therory the best D3 would have been a graphical update of D2 with a new story. D2 was perfect and goes to show it by its fanbase and still loyal playerbase today. If you were to tell me D3 had a worst launch than PoE i would lightly agree...lightly. During the first 3 days i coudnt even get on and play PoE and when i did i would play for 5 mins and get DCed then get stuck behind a 12000 player que, get back in game and server would go down and guess what your back in the 12000player que. Or you would be stuck in a zone and not be able to leave untill you get DCed or log....so PoE's launch is not as bad as D3 launch but still was bad. PoE compaired to D3 wise PoE takes the cake but compaired to D2 its on par but not better than....Vetran D2 player here been playing since D2 was launched and still am to this day...
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1/28/13 10:23:49 PM#49
Originally posted by Psychow Its very simple, you didnt pay $50 for a copy of the game, and it doesn't have a single player campaign.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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1/29/13 3:18:30 AM#50
As someone in this thread already mentioned, the company behind PoE is an indie developer which means that they have been sent by God to grace this Earth. They can't do anything wrong! Anyone who disagrees is disregarded as a heretic or even worse a WOW lover! People who cried about no offline mode really pissed me off! You know why? Because the majority of them are not affected by it at all as they have a internet connection all the time and they can play by themselves if they wanted. But they are crying just as a matter of principle. I really hate it when people QQ just for the sake of seeking some kind of "high moral ground" in a video game! |
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1/29/13 3:43:31 AM#51
Originally posted by Psychow Now i have no issue with D3 being online only myself its a shit game either way.. but POE was online only from the very start so everyone knew what it would be like. maybe thats why some people are less worried about iy.. |
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1/29/13 3:49:58 AM#52
Originally posted by Psychow
As already stated above, persistant areas full of players (very similiar to GW1).. It really is that simple. If it were like D3, things would be different. I bought D3 for the single-player experience. It irked me that I had to login and deal with latency + gold spam while playing my single-player game. PoE is a different beast.. Different design. As stated, it makes sense that we login for PoE. Now Playing: Rift, Defiance, And occasionally TSW, APB
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1/29/13 4:00:09 AM#53
Well for starters, it's free. And PoE actually has player hubs etc and the world is more interconnected, sort of like GW1. Think of it as MORPG. D3 was a fucking scam, whatever Blizztard might say about why it's online only etc there is only one reason, they want to combat piracy. Now you tell me who get's the short end of the stick because of that. They don't respect you, they never will to them you are a big fat cow waiting to get milked. |
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1/29/13 4:00:32 AM#54
Originally posted by Psychow D3 was a follow up to a successful single player game with optional co-op.The game was B2P and many people purchased a physical copy of it. PoE is providing you with a free game, more akin to Guild Wars 1 with hubs and instances, on the provision that you download it and play it online. Not really the same. It's about expectation. People who enjoyed the original D1 and D2 but played it offline, don't have an option to play D3 offline. Not that you would want to play it at all, boring shallow game that it is. |
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1/29/13 4:16:05 AM#55
Originally posted by Psychow
Wierd that you don't buy it, it's pretty straight-forward. It is exactly the reason it doesn't bother me, personally.
It's free, so I'm more forgiving. It's an F2P revenue model, so I understand that they need people online for that to work. There aren't many single-player F2P games, you know? How does that not make sense?
That the little towns have other players is secondary. I mean, they could have offered a SP mode for that, of course.. but on the other hand, they're trying to encourage PUGs, and maybe they even want to balance the game around grouping, so I can see why they wouldn't want most of their player base in their own SP versions. What I don't understand is why D3 didn't do the same thing - it would have given them more of an excuse, at least. Instead, Blizzard's excuse is the auction system, which makes an especially terrible excuse, considering it's also what ruins the game.
POE balances the negative with positives. D3 uses a negative to create a bigger negative. I guess for someone that enjoys D3 just fine and all that, these might seem like inconsequential nitpicks, but they're really not. Certainly, not for me. When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/29/13 4:24:44 AM#56
Originally posted by kadepsyson ^QFT
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1/29/13 4:36:06 AM#57
Originally posted by kadepsyson ^this  |
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1/29/13 4:44:02 AM#58
Originally posted by Psychow its free, sorry.... |
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1/30/13 11:15:44 PM#59
This is simple. PoE is a free to play game of which it's cash shop is solely based on cosmetics and stash tabs. Nobody would need any of this in single player since half the fun of cosmetics is showing off.
Diablo 3 cost $60 and didn't have near the same level of complexity. I don't even count D3 as being in the same class as D2, Torchlight 2, and PoE. |
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1/30/13 11:22:51 PM#60
Considering POE isn't a sequel to an offline(with option to play online)game they don't have to fit to a certain standard to players. Also because an indie developing company that can put out a higher quality product than a multi-million dollar company with a smaller budget maybe can get some slack? |
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