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OP  1/24/13 4:03:48 AM#1

A lot of "sandbox" supporters call out the "themepark" guys for rationalizing the "failures" of their MMOs.

 

Well, there are more sandboxy MMOs coming up, and there is hype going around...

 

But what kind of rationalizations would the "sandbox" people make if their game turns out to be as much of a "failure"/not as good as they claimed it would be?

 

/sits back and awaits responses.

  maplestone

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1/24/13 4:14:47 AM#2
  VengeSunsoar

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1/24/13 4:53:50 AM#3

They will be the exact same as the themepark ones but they'll have the word sandbox in them.

"Sandbox have been crap for years but devs keep doing the same thing"

"Game came out way too early"

"Crap pvp"

"Crafting is a joke"

 

Exactly the same reasons.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  dave6660

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1/24/13 9:41:20 AM#4
Almost sounds like you're hoping for a few of them to fail.  There's already a thread for that.

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  Istavaan

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1/24/13 9:44:18 AM#5
The only sandbox that has been a success is eve, all the others have either failed or been blatant scams. It seems scams and sandbox mmorpgs go hand in hand.
  NaughtyP

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1/24/13 11:15:41 AM#6

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 11:18:56 AM#7
Originally posted by Istavaan
The only sandbox that has been a success is eve, all the others have either failed or been blatant scams. It seems scams and sandbox mmorpgs go hand in hand.

If staying about water with a small player base is a success .. then there are many very successful MMOs.

  Loktofeit

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1/24/13 11:26:43 AM#8
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

That it's built entirely upon generalizations and baseless assumptions is the icing on the cake.

 

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1/24/13 12:16:56 PM#9
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

That it's built entirely upon generalizations and baseless assumptions is the icing on the cake.

But it's a sure fire way to 100+ responses :)

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  jtcgs

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1/24/13 12:23:09 PM#10
Originally posted by Yakkin

A lot of "sandbox" supporters call out the "themepark" guys for rationalizing the "failures" of their MMOs.

Snip 

/sits back and awaits responses.

 I would like to take this time to point out something that not many people actually know. Rationalizing does not require being Rational.

To rationalize; to ascribe to causes that superficially seem reasonable and valid but that actually are UNRELATED TO THE TRUE CAUSE.

and anyone that thinks believing something that is not true, is reasonable...is not being rational at all.

Rational; agreeable to reason, sensible.

And there is your answer, they are rationalizing and not being rational.

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  dave6660

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1/24/13 1:47:58 PM#11
Originally posted by Yakkin
Originally posted by dave6660
Almost sounds like you're hoping for a few of them to fail.  There's already a thread for that.

[mod edit]

You made this thread so in some way you do care.

At least you're honest about wanting a little revenge.  Give yourself to the dark side :)

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  Blasphim

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1/24/13 1:55:17 PM#12

 


Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Yakkin

Originally posted by dave6660 Almost sounds like you're hoping for a few of them to fail.  There's already a thread for that.
[mod edit]

You made this thread so in some way you do care.

 

At least you're honest about wanting a little revenge.  Give yourself to the dark side :)


 

Do you have cake? How bout pie? Cookies will do I suppose.

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 2:04:23 PM#13
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

That it's built entirely upon generalizations and baseless assumptions is the icing on the cake.

But it's a sure fire way to 100+ responses :)

There are easier ways  .. like put "perma death" or "FFA pvp" in the title.

  Greyface

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1/24/13 4:25:04 PM#14

I think the reason the Sandbox-partisans are so bitter is because they feel ignored.  Every AAA MMO released in the last 10 years (!) has been some variation on the Themepark.  If you're a Sandbox gamer and you don't like EVE, you're pretty much S.O.L.  Personally, I'm encouraged by all the new Sandbox games that are in the pipe.  Sturgeon's Lay, as always, applies: ninety percent of everything is crap.  My fingers are crossed that we'll get one or maybe two winners, but I don't expect more than that. 

I'm a little discouraged by the schadenfreude expressed by the OP.  The Sandbox v. Themepark thing has gotten way out of hand.  There's no reason to rejoice in the problems of a game you never intended to play in the first place.  It's not a competition.  It's like rooting for the apple crop to fail just because you prefer to eat organges. 

 

  

 

 

 

 

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 4:30:15 PM#15
Originally posted by Greyface

I think the reason the Sandbox-partisans are so bitter is because they feel ignored.  Every AAA MMO released in the last 10 years (!) has been some variation on the Themepark.  If you're a Sandbox gamer and you don't like EVE, you're pretty much S.O.L.  Personally, I'm encouraged by all the new Sandbox games that are in the pipe.  Sturgeon's Lay, as always, applies: ninety percent of everything is crap.  My fingers are crossed that we'll get one or maybe two winners, but I don't expect more than that. 

I'm a little discouraged by the schadenfreude expressed by the OP.  The Sandbox v. Themepark thing has gotten way out of hand.  There's no reason to rejoice in the problems of a game you never intended to play in the first place.  It's not a competition.  It's like rooting for the apple crop to fail just because you prefer to eat organges. 

 

  

 

 

 

 

Actually it is worse than that. All the success online games, even those that have some MMO elements, are no longer virtual world sandbox oriented (LOL, WOT, D3 ....). Some are not even MMOs.

The only one is minecraft, but that is a builder game, not an adventure combat type sandbox.

 

  Greyface

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1/24/13 4:52:13 PM#16
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Actually it is worse than that. All the success online games, even those that have some MMO elements, are no longer virtual world sandbox oriented (LOL, WOT, D3 ....). Some are not even MMOs.

I would leave out the word "success."  No one is even trying, much less succeeding.

 

The only one is minecraft, but that is a builder game, not an adventure combat type sandbox.

Minecraft is a great example though.  A major studio would never have put out a game like Minecraft.  It took everyone by surprise precisely because the big publishers have been so focused on iterating on the last success.  I would never suggest that everyone should play one type of game over another, but there's a large group of customers out there who aren't being served by the present offerings.

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1/24/13 4:57:30 PM#17

Not Sandbox enough

 

 

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 5:05:28 PM#18
Originally posted by Greyface
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Actually it is worse than that. All the success online games, even those that have some MMO elements, are no longer virtual world sandbox oriented (LOL, WOT, D3 ....). Some are not even MMOs.

I would leave out the word "success."  No one is even trying, much less succeeding.

 

The only one is minecraft, but that is a builder game, not an adventure combat type sandbox.

Minecraft is a great example though.  A major studio would never have put out a game like Minecraft.  It took everyone by surprise precisely because the big publishers have been so focused on iterating on the last success.  I would never suggest that everyone should play one type of game over another, but there's a large group of customers out there who aren't being served by the present offerings.

How do you define "succes"? A game that you like?

LOL has more active players than WOW, and have good reviews. D3 sold 10M boxes.

So it would be accurate to say that these games achieve financial success and are well reviews. You are not the sole-judge of whether somethign is successful or not.

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1/24/13 5:12:56 PM#19
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

Indeed. Let me rescue this thread with a gratuitous picture of a slutty wood fairy:

 

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

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1/24/13 5:14:24 PM#20
Originally posted by Scottgun
Originally posted by NaughtyP

Only on MMORPG.com will you find hypothetical failure threads about unnamed unreleased games.

Indeed. Let me rescue this thread with a gratuitous picture of a slutty wood fairy:

 

 

Not slutty enough...

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