Originally posted by delete5230

 

Again, you are controling this message board as you have been for the past few years, killing anything anyone would say that is negative about this game.

Anyway, WoW is the joke of the mmorpg.com community. Just bring up World of Warcraft and use it as an example in any other game board or in general fourms, then sit back and see what you get !.....Then go out in public and ask real life people what they think of World of Warcraft.  If they do know about it they would most likley say something to the effect like " I know that game, it kind of sucks anymore ".

Yet your pretending that everything is just great :)

 

 

I am surprised you even bothered to reply to this thread. But since you did,  how about the source of these millions you were talking about? a lot of people are curious about your claims. 

By the way he doesn't need to control these message boards. Things went out of control the moment you started pulling numbres out of thin air.

As far as stopping and asking random people in public what they think about WOW...hahaha..i mean that was really desperate and funny really. You love making up stuff don't you?  lol

Originally posted by delete5230

Again, you are controling this message board as you have been for the past few years, killing anything anyone would say that is negative about this game.

Anyway, WoW is the joke of the mmorpg.com community. Just bring up World of Warcraft and use it as an example in any other game board or in general fourms, then sit back and see what you get !.....Then go out in public and ask real life people what they think of World of Warcraft.  If they do know about it they would most likley say something to the effect like " I know that game, it kind of sucks anymore ".

Yet your pretending that everything is just great :)

 

 

Where the hell does that come from? When did i or do i 'control' this message board?

So what you are now saying is that the game as a whole is just a joke and no-one is allowed to have a pro-wow opinion as it is completely invalid because you say it is?

If you had bothered to actually read the majoroty of posts in this thread, which if you remember rightly was about whether a Vanilla server was a good idea as 'Millions' wanted it and not about the overall quality of the game, you will have found that there is a pretty anti-vanilla server lean on the whole. I as much as anyone loved the Vanilla days, i just don't think you can recapture that experience by just bringing in a Vanilla themed server.....another 'opnion' you would have picked up had you actually bothered to read the replies to your own thread.

If you just wanted to come on the boards and moan about wow, fine, job done. If you don't like other peoples opinions (especially players of the game itself) then don't post on the games forum. If it isn't the game you like anymore, fine, move on and leave it behind, that is the way life is i am afraid, things change, sometimes the way we like it, sometimes not, we just have to move on and find the next thing that fulfills that need and if you can't then you may need to talk to someone about that.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Vannor

Like all 'fond memories' of games, if you played it again.. now.. it would probably ruin your fond memories.

Vanilla WoW was good because, at the time, it was original and we'd never seen it before. It just wouldn't be the same after all we've been through.

It's like the D3 issue. Everyone wanted it to be like D2.. but why arn't they playing D2 then? Because they probably tried it again and it's just shockingly bad compared to todays games. Memories are relative to the time they took place.

What exactly was original about it?

Love it when people say WOW was original. WOW stole more s**t from older mmorpg's than anything. Everyone says WOW clone this or WOW clone that, but they got their ideas from founding mmorpgs. WOW is a clone lol.

It had a huge IP to start with, a good company, during that time 40% more internet users, and was fantasy. Because WOW almost failed with its rocky launch.

Everything happened at the right time for WOW, now everyone tries to mimic it :/

Everything is a clone of Pong by your logic. Well done. WoW did tons of stuff that was never done in MMOs before. Visual skill trees being one example, basing an MMO on a well known IP from another genre being another... there are many more examples. It also felt and flowed completely differently to other MMOs. Saying WoW did nothing original is very naive.

Ummm sorry but Ultimate Online was the first to do that...just sayin.

p.s. Oh! And Final Fantasy XI was second.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Vannor

Like all 'fond memories' of games, if you played it again.. now.. it would probably ruin your fond memories.

Vanilla WoW was good because, at the time, it was original and we'd never seen it before. It just wouldn't be the same after all we've been through.

It's like the D3 issue. Everyone wanted it to be like D2.. but why arn't they playing D2 then? Because they probably tried it again and it's just shockingly bad compared to todays games. Memories are relative to the time they took place.

What exactly was original about it?

Love it when people say WOW was original. WOW stole more s**t from older mmorpg's than anything. Everyone says WOW clone this or WOW clone that, but they got their ideas from founding mmorpgs. WOW is a clone lol.

It had a huge IP to start with, a good company, during that time 40% more internet users, and was fantasy. Because WOW almost failed with its rocky launch.

Everything happened at the right time for WOW, now everyone tries to mimic it :/

Everything is a clone of Pong by your logic. Well done. WoW did tons of stuff that was never done in MMOs before. Visual skill trees being one example, basing an MMO on a well known IP from another genre being another... there are many more examples. It also felt and flowed completely differently to other MMOs. Saying WoW did nothing original is very naive.

Ummm sorry but Ultimate Online was the first to do that...just sayin.

p.s. Oh! And Final Fantasy XI was second.

And there was also Star Wars Galaxies, that came out in 2003 (WoW was in 2004)

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Vannor

Like all 'fond memories' of games, if you played it again.. now.. it would probably ruin your fond memories.

Vanilla WoW was good because, at the time, it was original and we'd never seen it before. It just wouldn't be the same after all we've been through.

It's like the D3 issue. Everyone wanted it to be like D2.. but why arn't they playing D2 then? Because they probably tried it again and it's just shockingly bad compared to todays games. Memories are relative to the time they took place.

What exactly was original about it?

Love it when people say WOW was original. WOW stole more s**t from older mmorpg's than anything. Everyone says WOW clone this or WOW clone that, but they got their ideas from founding mmorpgs. WOW is a clone lol.

It had a huge IP to start with, a good company, during that time 40% more internet users, and was fantasy. Because WOW almost failed with its rocky launch.

Everything happened at the right time for WOW, now everyone tries to mimic it :/

Everything is a clone of Pong by your logic. Well done. WoW did tons of stuff that was never done in MMOs before. Visual skill trees being one example, basing an MMO on a well known IP from another genre being another... there are many more examples. It also felt and flowed completely differently to other MMOs. Saying WoW did nothing original is very naive.

Already done by previuos mmo's. Next? There isnt anything WOW has done another game of some type hasnt done. They may change the names, and concept but its all the same. Example:

First game to base their MMO on a well known IP................. and star wars isnt a well known IP? SWG is your answer.

And visual skill trees? WOW created this first? Are you sure? I would look that up if i were you. Its wrong.

Visual worlds date back 35-39 years being first created. D&D was actualy created in the same year (1974) and is what many mmorpgs are based from.. Persistant worlds date back to the mid 80's. Single player games were the first to introduce persistant worlds and many of the features you claim WOW and many other mmorpgs have today.

WoW developers even admitted to copying and changing things from the past long ago. I played WOW from release for awhile. Had nothing special and half the features that are "new" didnt come until much later.

Originally posted by tordurbar

Originally posted by ScaryMonk

Originally posted by tom_gore

Millions? Yeah I can also go and pull numbers out of my ass. You don't think Blizzard hasn't done any research about it? If they knew they would really get millions of players on vanilla servers AND keep them, they would open those in a heartbeat.

 

It would undermine their game in its current state.  It would almost be an admission that they have taken the game in the wrong direction or dumbed it down, or at least the press would treat it as such.  It would be a PR disaster.   

It would also risk losing revenue and activity from the those players who stick with it because it is wow, but never-the-less are underwhelmed by the direction it has taken.  An emptier world in their expansions is not good for business.  

 

 

This is the best explanation of why Blizzard would never do this that I have seen. Right on the money!

Exactly this.  

Originally posted by Nadia

 

EQ2 didnt have feathers until later

but the EQ2 quest NPCs did signal you by waving their arms or calling out to you verbally

- which I miss

Qeynos NPC: "Now where did I put that ledger?"

"Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?"

Me: "For the love of fuck, shut up."

Qeynos NPC: ...  "Hello there adventurer! I seem to have mislocated my bussiness ledger, please help me find it!" .... "Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?"

Me: "Here you stupid bitch, now shut up!"

Qeynos NPC: "Thank you kind traveller! Have 5 copper!" .......

"Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put that ledger?""Now where did I put ...

Me: "NYAARGHHGHGH  /suicide"

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That aside :p

I loved vanilla WoW, it was probably my best MMOG experience all around. But I'm not sure if I would play a vanilla only server again tbh.

The first time you do something it's fun and fresh, becauwe well... it's the first time. Every time after that, no matter how authentic the experience is reproduced, is repetition and therefore less exciting.

And talking repetition: vanilla had quite a lot of that as well. I definitely don't fancy doing something like the AQ reputation grind again, or the grind for resistance gear etc.

The things which would be most positive about a vanilla WoW would be the low numbers (mid 4 digit hitpoints), the talent trees, class quests and the old dungeons (e.g. black rock deeps, maraudon, uldaman, dire maul). I don't understand why Blizzard had to do such huge item resets with every add-on.

I often replay older single-player games. The issue with an MMO would be: Would there be enough players? The questing in MMOs is a boring chore. The small group content (5 or 10 man) was fun for me. Unfortunately you can't bring the old times back. But if you could bring back the same old groups of friends together that'd be fun.

I think good idea is to make special servers:

- one for vanilla people and just restore 1st WoW there and nothing else.
- one for hardcore elite, with very challenging dungeons and raids.

may be some more of these special servers, so all guys who cry about missing hardness, vanilla, could find their home.

I guess it good idea to make different lvl of challenging for WoW players as guys who stay in game for like 5 years need to something harder then newcomer.

Hope Blizzard will take consideration of this idea and get more happy customers.

Ok first of it is not like blizzard have a few floppy disks in a cabinet labeld WoW 1.0. So to make a  "true" classic server they would have to do a fair amount of reverse enginering. That cost money and developer time that could be spent on stuff like the next WoW expansion, Titan, the protoss expansion to SC2. Next chapter in the diablo saga... and so on and so forth.

Secondly there are as many opinions on what "vanilla" WoW is as there are people who want it. Who will get the right of way?

Third--- Here is blizzards reply

We are aware of the fact that some people prefer the old pre-expansion content over the newer content that has been added to the game with the last two expansions, but despite this we still have no plans for opening any classic realms at this point in time.

We also understand that some people would like to revel in nostalgia; however the developers are planning to keep the game moving forward as they want the game to continue to progress and evolve.

We regularly see requests for us to open classic pre-TBC realms, or vanilla realms if you prefer, and lately we have also seen requests for pre-WotLK realms and even pre-Cataclysm realms. We have answered requests like these before saying that we have no plans to open such realms, and this is very much still the case today.

We realize that some of you feel that World of Warcraft was more fun in the past than it is today, and we also know that some of you would like nothing more than to go back and play the game as it was back then. The developers however prefer to see the game continuously evolve and progress, and as such we have no plans to open classic realms or limited expansion content realms.