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General Discussion  » GW2 Dynamic Events ARE revolutionary, I can't wait till they are evolutionary!

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  Gaia_Hunter

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1/24/13 6:30:18 AM#61
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

But now you are choosing to ignore the definition of dynamic because it doesn't suit your argument.  

 

Am I?

Does a quest sets the world in motion?

No, that would be New Order.  And yes you are. 

An event creates new creatures, new structures in the world. Or destroy them.

An  event can change the landscape.

The world is in a state of flow, motion.

What does a traditional quest  does to the world?

 

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  Aerowyn

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1/24/13 6:31:31 AM#62
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Caldrin

@ OP GW2 events are anything buy dynamic..

They happen at the same points over and over and over.. how on earth is that Dynamic?

You don't know what dynamic means.

Dynamic just means something in a state of flow.

It doesn't mean random, it doesn't mean unique.

Both are wrong really, maybe Cyclical or Recurrent Events.  

There is a thing in physics called "Dynamics of Circular motion".

The words aren't guilty people don't know their meaning.

 

There is also a 'Modified Newtonian Dynamics' as well as many other theories and phrases containing the word 'dynamic'; and these are also entirely irrelevent.  

And all characterize things with movement and that are the opposite of static.

Which can be applied to any quest in any game making the word redundant. 

No.

A quest has 2 states, not completed and completed.

A dynamic event can have several states that move, some in a linear fashion other forking.

But now you are choosing to ignore the definition of dynamic because it doesn't suit your argument.  

 

Am I?

Does a quest sets the world in motion?

No, that would be New Order.  And yes you are. 

try this...play a zone in wow 5 times.. each time will be the same with quest givers in exact same spot you complete the quest in the same way start to end... in gw2 you could play a zone several times and not get the same experience at all.. call them dynamic call them quests call them bunnies to me it makes the whole feel of the game evolutionary compared to past themeparks

 

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  ScaryMonk

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1/24/13 6:32:10 AM#63
Originally posted by Xepo
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by ScaryMonk
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Caldrin

@ OP GW2 events are anything buy dynamic..

They happen at the same points over and over and over.. how on earth is that Dynamic?

You don't know what dynamic means.

Dynamic just means something in a state of flow.

It doesn't mean random, it doesn't mean unique.

Both are wrong really, maybe Cyclical or Recurrent Events.  

There is a thing in physics called "Dynamics of Circular motion".

The words aren't guilty people don't know their meaning.

 

There is also a 'Modified Newtonian Dynamics' as well as many other theories and phrases containing the word 'dynamic'; and these are also entirely irrelevent.  

And all characterize things with movement and that are the opposite of static.

If it has movement it isn't static and hence it is Dynamic.

It isn't the word fault people find some of the movement less appealing than others.

And that is why people try to use words like circular, scripted, recurring to describe DEs instead of Dynamic, because people associate Dynamic with something it isn't.

Definition of Dynamic:

dy·nam·ic  (d-nmk)

adj. also dy·nam·i·cal (--kl)

1.
a. Of or relating to energy or to objects in motion.

 

b. Of or relating to the study of dynamics.

2. Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress: a dynamic market.

3. Marked by intensity and vigor; forceful. See Synonyms at active.

4. Of or relating to variation of intensity, as in musical sound.

n.

1. An interactive system or process, especially one involving competing or conflicting forces: "the story of a malign dynamic between white prejudice and black autonomy" (Edmund S. Morgan).

 

2. A force, especially political, social, or psychological: the main dynamic behind the revolution.

 
End of debate. The choice for GW2, Rift, or Warhammer to choose to call their events dynamic is within the meaning of the word. As most people should know from even High School teaching is a word's meaning varies and has more than one set definition.

Please read and comprehend the argument before declaring it over with a cut paste.  

  DSWBeef

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1/24/13 6:42:00 AM#64

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

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  hikaru77

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1/24/13 6:52:35 AM#65
Originally posted by eyelolled

I keep hearing people talking about Dynamic Events and how they are just like Rift's rifts, or Warhammer's PQ's, but I don't see the similarity at all.   The DE's in GW2 are extremely revolutionary.   Rifts just seem to be random occurances of mobs all over the map, and that doesn't sound revolutionary at all, nothing like GW2 Dynamic Events.

 

Now I know that there are all sorts of people going to tell me how wrong I am. I've seen how people react to words, and especially words that might show GW2 in a positive light.  And I'm sure that none of them actually care if  nobody says anything, but they sure care if someone says that they like the game. It's just a negative world for many people, and they  feel compelled to "keep the optimism in check"

 

 The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

That is why I say that GW2 Dynamic Events are revolutionary, but what I'm really looking forward to is when they become evolutionary. When an event chain matures to not always come back to the exact same point. Maybe it will still have the potential to return to it's original point, but I would like to see multiple return points to start off from, as well as multiple outcomes. 

 

I can't wait to see where the genre moves to next.

 

I dont know if you are being sarcastic.

1)DE are not dynamic at all, is more like static event, did you remember Warhammer PQs, is exactly like that.

2) Is not revolutionary, That was Rift. 

3) Dont know why people keep talking about GW2 like something revolutionary, is not. Well maybe talking about the low player retention rate, 3 mill of copies sold and less than 500k active players a few months after launch. 

  Aerowyn

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1/24/13 6:53:50 AM#66
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

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  Pivotelite

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1/24/13 7:00:17 AM#67
Originally posted by Quesa
Originally posted by Scalpless
It's not about who did them first. It's about who did the right first.

So....nobody yet then?

+1

 

Gw2 didn't do them right either, currently many are ignored due to lack of people in low level zones, they still aren't dynamic, because well... I think I can see the same ones spawn all day everyday and when the hard ones are actually completed they are usually just a skillless zerg fest.

 

Look at Orr running, they trivialized that whole zone, you can level 68-80 in like 2 hours just running a DE zerg, of repeated, set timed, "dynamic" events.

 

That's why they respawn the same amount of time everytime right? Because they are dynamic?

  Scorchien

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1/24/13 7:06:54 AM#68
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

  Aerowyn

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1/24/13 7:10:03 AM#69
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

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  Betaguy

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1/24/13 7:10:52 AM#70
Originally posted by eyelolled

I keep hearing people talking about Dynamic Events and how they are just like Rift's rifts, or Warhammer's PQ's, but I don't see the similarity at all.   The DE's in GW2 are extremely revolutionary.   Rifts just seem to be random occurances of mobs all over the map, and that doesn't sound revolutionary at all, nothing like GW2 Dynamic Events.

 

Now I know that there are all sorts of people going to tell me how wrong I am. I've seen how people react to words, and especially words that might show GW2 in a positive light.  And I'm sure that none of them actually care if  nobody says anything, but they sure care if someone says that they like the game. It's just a negative world for many people, and they  feel compelled to "keep the optimism in check"

 

 The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

That is why I say that GW2 Dynamic Events are revolutionary, but what I'm really looking forward to is when they become evolutionary. When an event chain matures to not always come back to the exact same point. Maybe it will still have the potential to return to it's original point, but I would like to see multiple return points to start off from, as well as multiple outcomes. 

 

I can't wait to see where the genre moves to next.

 

 They are not dynamic events... I couldn't take this post serious.

  Rusque

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1/24/13 7:13:58 AM#71

What they need to do is incorporate DE's with Phasing and let people go between levels of phasing. It might fracture the world for players a bit, but it will make a much more interesting game experience (maybe even if only a few zones have it)

For example:

DE begins, centaurs are attacking a town > you fight them back successfully and are phased into the next level which leads an assault on their encampment the earlier DE will not spawn for you in this phase > You destroy their camp and your allies build a new base there and you're move on to the next phase where that base is a semi-permanent structure in the world.

I say semi-permanent because you should be able to go backwards between phases if no one does anything in a given area over a set period of time.  Let's say it's permanent for a week and then a centaur army shows up to take back the settlement > if you happen to be there and succeed you keep yourself in that phase for another week > if not you are phased back down to where the centaurs have a base and they begin their attacks on your allied town again.

So you're "real" map and permanence change over time based on where you play and how you play. You won't always be able to be everywhere, but having semi-permanent changes to your game world would be awesome, and because various players will be in that same phase you'll still see other players. Then all the devs need to do is place important vendors/crafting mats in those locations and it will make people want to fight to keep them available. Or make the area incredibly hostile for farming.

I think the big fear is that the game world will be empty, but if you look around, most game worlds end up empty as people progress to the more advanced zones. So you're not really losing anything by trying something like this.

  Scorchien

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1/24/13 7:15:57 AM#72
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

  Aerowyn

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1/24/13 7:19:18 AM#73
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

i'm basing this off when i played at launch till 9 months in.. I'm sure things may have changed a bit since then and im sure the expansion did add some nice stuff.. but most people here seem to be basing their GW2 experience off a single beta weekend or just a weeks play at launch..

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  Pivotelite

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1/24/13 7:20:37 AM#74
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by eyelolled

*stuff*

 They are not dynamic events... I couldn't take this post serious.

 Sadly he's serious though, it's odd he actually thinks they are dynamic or fun.

 

It's like he's never killed the dragons or been to Orr before even though hes played the game so long, they are all on timers, respawn same time after they are completed and everyone zergs them. It's not challenging, it's not fun, it's repetitive and it isn't dynamic.

  botrytis

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1/24/13 7:23:44 AM#75
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

Played Rift for over 1 year. The Rifts and zone invasions are timed by population and time of day. You can set your clock by them. Some of them made no sense in the lore of Rift and Rift's lore is very spotty, if you tink GW2's lore is bad, rift's is worse. It is a good game and I liked it, don't get me wrong, but the events in Rift are not chained like GW2's and that is a big difference. In GW2, if you win one DE, then it leads to another where it branches again. So it really all depends.

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  Scorchien

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1/24/13 7:25:45 AM#76
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

i'm basing this off when i played at launch till 9 months in.. I'm sure things may have changed a bit since then and im sure the expansion did add some nice stuff.. but most people here seem to be basing their GW2 experience off a single beta weekend or just a weeks play at launch..

   Im not i have an 80 Engi in Gw2.. and several alts from the 30-60 range .. So what you are basing your information off of is a limited play experience that , that is misinformed and bias

  Scorchien

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1/24/13 7:29:17 AM#77
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

Played Rift for over 1 year. The Rifts and zone invasions are timed by population and time of day. You can set your clock by them. Some of them made no sense in the lore of Rift and Rift's lore is very spotty, if you tink GW2's lore is bad, rift's is worse. It is a good game and I liked it, don't get me wrong, but the events in Rift are not chained like GW2's and that is a big difference. In GW2, if you win one DE, then it leads to another where it branches again. So it really all depends.

   The events are chained , especially the World Events and particularly in both expansions ..   so do some research .. Have you done any of the World Events in the New Lands from either expansion .. im gussing No ..

  Aerowyn

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1/24/13 7:29:57 AM#78
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Scorchien
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DSWBeef

The thing is there not really Dynamic. They are static. They dont "evolve". Take the egg one for example, when you complete stage one a script kicks in to start stage 2. Theres nothing dynamic about that. Just like rifts they happen multiple times NEVER chaning stages and happen in the same spot. 

If they were "dynamic" then how come I could farm the Giant fish DE in the Fields of Ruin? If they were Dynamic it would happen ONCE then evolve. The centaur attacks would change, their strategys would chnage but they dont. There just prettier versions of Rifts and PQs.

but they are not static when they are active and that's the point.. yes they repeat and don't have as "lasting" consequences as I and many would like but the whole point is they are continuouslly in a state of change going from not even there to in motion to complete state to fail state. Rifts concept was fine but they are all the same no story no nothing so it gets stale after a couple zones.. sure many feel the same for GW2 but overall at least each DE has a story tied to it in some form and the majority do have multiple states dependent on whether they fail or not.. again i think so many played just during launch and just saw the oversaturation of the DEs and never saw the fail states on any of them but most have them and it generally leads to a differn't event

  HAve you played Rift at all, Some of there events span across entire zones .. That encompass the entire zone from complete state to fail state and are in contiunuos change .. Go watch a dragon attack encampments across an entire zone while wave after wave of its minions swarm into camp and if you lose camp is gone until folks come and fight and defend to reclaim it..(which isnt event realted .. but if you want that camp you recaptire it.. outside of the events progress..Rift did DE first and better imo than GW2 ..

i played Rift for 9 months and enjoyed it very much.. but again every Rift is the same there is  no story it spawns and thats it.. zone invasions same thing.. yes they can take over whole zones but it still is the exact same every single time a bunch of enemies spawn and do sweeps of the zone.. no story nothing.. guess it's just what you feel is important in quests.. i like the stories

  There are stoires behind them and activley dialouged during the vent .. you douldnt of gotten very far or done any events from the first expansion ...  or any Raid Rifts ..... you may want to read up or do a lil more research on Rifts events to date

i'm basing this off when i played at launch till 9 months in.. I'm sure things may have changed a bit since then and im sure the expansion did add some nice stuff.. but most people here seem to be basing their GW2 experience off a single beta weekend or just a weeks play at launch..

   Im not i have an 80 Engi in Gw2.. and several alts from the 30-60 range .. So what you are basing your information off of is a limited play experience that , that is misinformed and bias

how is 9 months limited play? also i said nothing about the new zones or expansions my experience is every zone from the original game.. jeez some people and there agendas.. lol take care people off to work

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1/24/13 7:33:58 AM#79

I could certainly see how a simple-minded individual who plays through GW2's PvE / leveling content one time, could feel like it was "dynamic" to some extent.

However, you really don't have to pull the curtain back too far to see that it's just a bunch of gimmicks with definitive triggers and timers.

I rolled a few alts in GW2 and found absolutely no variation in content during the leveling process.   Each event had the same objective and outcome each time I came across them. 

I'll definitely agree that ANet has taken quest design to the next level but you simply cannot continue to try to sell it as "dynamic" content.

 

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1/24/13 7:35:01 AM#80
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by Phry
They may have more detail than Rifts dynamic events, but that doesnt really alter the fact that Rift created the concept. Maybe Arenanet took that idea and ran with it, but ultimately, it was Trion that brought about that revolution, if you can call it that. Whether it will catch on and evolve into something more in other games remains to be seen, i kind of hope it does.

ANet already were talking about their DEs way before Rift was released... so no, Rift did not creat DEs.  Which aren't really dynamic to begin with, just pathing mobs was all it was until you shut down the rift.  And if we really wanna go there I'm sure we can find DEs long before Rift was even in the beginning development stage.

As far as GW2.  DEs are certainly refreshing and a change of pace.  It's great how there are differnt events (not 100% but a definate different experience in the same zeon) when you lvl a diff toon.  However they are just another form of quests which one repeats over and over and a lot.  There are great immersion in a zone but too much is it on a repeat cycle.  My biggest beef was how these "dynamic events" turned to a zerg fest after so many join the fray.  Didn't really see this till Orr where I couldn't even see the mob because it was such a cluster fuck of toons.  Certainly a great break from the dreadful quest log approach to things.

Revolutionary?  Hardly, just simpely the next step in MMO development or evolution.

Tis true. Arenanet was talking about it long before Rift came along. Rift did the static events system with the ability of the mobs to run amuck and fill the surrounding zone (patrols) however, neither one of those games Rift or War made it so that the happenings in one event would lead to another in a chain. They had conditionals yes but nothing like the DE's in GW2. 

I'm still not logging into the game until they fix the loot problems and completely change the FotM fiasco but I am not above telling the truth. Like the game or hate it you can't say honestly that it's just like the other two games without trying to oversimplify the system they have in place now even without meaningful fixed outcomes it's loads better.

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