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  Ides385

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OP  1/23/13 2:55:20 PM#1

I made this account because I was tired of all the generic negativity surrounding a game we know little about.

As a background I've played several MMOs. Ultima Online being my favorite past time, and Darkfall being my favorite vision thereafter. Played Guild Wars2, was slightly original and nice for a while but got old. Tried several others but they couldn't keep my attention. Originallity is key for me.

To these generic comments, "It's not a sanbox game", "It's a WoW clone", "It's just a theme park". Seriously people what are you talking about? What are you basing this on?

What is a sandbox game? Would that be something where you can go out and create your own adventures? Like going to collect material and wondering across a monster you must protect your self from, coming across a shaddy charater and deciding whether or not to help them, diving into a cave to see what treasures it hides. What is you definition of sandbox exactly?? There isn't a story path you must follow like fable, this is an open world. This isn't a theme park, you aren't forced down paths. You could be a cave diver your entire stay and be rewarded for it.

It's a WoW clone? Really? The stupid game where you click on something and hit buttons, waiting for timers. For one thing that is a recipe that WoW definetly did not create. So quit calling games WoW clones in the first place. This game seems it will require you to aim and jump and move. If anything call it a Darkfall clone, which I would be happy to do. For now don't call it anything because we don't know enough.

None of the detail are known enough, so perhaps it rediculous for me to make these counter arguments. But I just don't know where all these labels are coming from unless you just want to be a hater.

I might end up hating this game, but I'm not going to bash it when its obviously something that is somewhat oiginal if you've read or watched anything about it. Its certainly not a target something and press buttons MMO where you must stay in line to play the game. I see it just as free and challenging as TES games have been, why think differently.

 

PS. Please have player housing (fingers crossed).

  Yaevindusk

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1/23/13 3:00:11 PM#2

 

Don't hate the playa, hate the game!

...Wait.

In any case, people will be people.  Most don't know what they like, and when they get what they thought they wanted, it's all up and arms again.  The MMO genre has very much been "bastardized" in a matter of speaking; those who started in the 90s or early 00's typically loved MMOs for what they were.   Nowadays if it isn't as good as "x" or have this feature or that it's a blight on humanity that should go the way of ET's console game to most.

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  User Deleted
1/23/13 3:04:59 PM#3
The haters have an unlimited development budget. The actual developers of MMOs do not. It's not a fair fight. So don't try to fight it. You can't win.
  Istavaan

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1/23/13 3:10:38 PM#4
The hate train has well and truly moved from gw2 to TESO, you guys are getting way too predictable. Some people like being miserable, i hope the mods crack down on it because it's making this place a depressing place to visit.
  Yamota

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1/23/13 3:15:21 PM#5

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

  zSurrender

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1/23/13 3:19:20 PM#6

I support this. I personally think I'll love this game, I don't know what people are crying about these days anyways. The problem isn't the game, it's the GAMERS. In fact, i've seen a lot of it on this website, I don't post here much, but I frequently view the website because I'm a fan of MMORPGs. I've played a lot of them in past years, and still present.

When I hear TESO had beta signup I was pysched, it just got me more excited for this game. Why the problem with the gamers? Because the expectations of today's gamers are WAY too fucking high. Like ridiculously high. And it's sad seeing this because the game isn't even OUT yet and it's being bashed by dumb trolls that will probably end up playing the game. No body gives a shit that you don't like it, I can't tell you what to like and what not to like, however you become a nuisance when you constantly cry and bitch about a VIDEO GAME on a forum. I personally think the problem lies within the gaming community, i've seen TOO many games being bashed due to high expectations from "gamers".

End rant.

TESO will rock, if you don't like it, well.. then I feel sorry for you.

  Istavaan

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1/23/13 3:20:54 PM#7
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

  User Deleted
1/23/13 3:21:08 PM#8
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

 

Warcraft was a RTS game. World of Warcraft seemed to do pretty well, even tho it changed the gameplay. I see nothing wrong with taking the setting, lore and atmostphere and placing it in different game styles.

 

Edit: Whoa...almost identical posts...lol

 

  Istavaan

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1/23/13 3:22:57 PM#9
Path of Exile is getting huge amounts of love and it's not even an mmorpg yet every mmo on here gets massive amounts of hate, that pretty much sums up the attitude of the negative ones..they don't like mmorpg's and they will keep on telling us all about it.
  Aerowyn

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1/23/13 3:24:28 PM#10
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

very much agreed.. the blind hatred over themeparks on these forums is just sad... from all i have read sounds like they have some solid ideas so hopefully it will pan out

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  aRtFuLThinG

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1/23/13 3:25:07 PM#11
Originally posted by Ides385

Hating the Haters

 Why so much hate? :(

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  Karteli

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1/23/13 3:26:37 PM#12

TESO is segregating factions in order to avoid conflicts, so if anything it's closer to a SWTOR clone than a WoW clone. Less the stories that is.

 

Or maybe a GW2 clone too since they are copying the lack of trinity.

 

All the reviews also indicate that TESO will be fully themepark, which to me means, great for a month or 2 before buyers remorse sets in ..

 

But welcome to the MMORPG community!  You've taken your first step..

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  Yamota

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1/23/13 3:27:01 PM#13
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

No because that are two different type of games, just reusing the setting. Elder Scrolls games are RPGs and Elder Scrolls Online is simply a Massively Multiplayer RPGs so it would come natural to create the MMORPG in the same way the RPGs were done unless you want to completely ignore your existing fanbase.

As for having and idea about it. Isn't that one of the reasons you visit MMORPG news site such as this, to get an idea? And the info I have received from articles both on this site and other news sites is that the game will definetely be a ThemePark with three hardcoded factions, meaning you can never switch. And all the info released so far indicates a linear leveling path with separate zones for PvP. Again, two hallmarks of a ThemePark MMO.

  Istavaan

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1/23/13 3:30:26 PM#14
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

No because that are two different type of games, just reusing the setting. Elder Scrolls games are RPGs and Elder Scrolls Online is simply a Massively Multiplayer RPGs so it would come natural to create the MMORPG in the same way the RPGs were done unless you want to completely ignore your existing fanbase.

As for having and idea about it. Isn't that one of the reasons you visit MMORPG news site such as this, to get an idea? And the info I have received from articles both on this site and other news sites is that the game will definetely be a ThemePark with three hardcoded factions, meaning you can never switch. And all the info released so far indicates a linear leveling path with separate zones for PvP. Again, two hallmarks of a ThemePark MMO.

"All the info" that for all you know could have changed along the way. Wait and see what the game is like before you throw your toys out of the pram.

  Yamota

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1/23/13 3:30:49 PM#15
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

very much agreed.. the blind hatred over themeparks on these forums is just sad... from all i have read sounds like they have some solid ideas so hopefully it will pan out

It is not blind. Most of us labeled ThemePark haters have played the original sandbox MMOs and all the generic ThemePark MMOs and found the latter to be lacking.

I have personally played WoW, AoC, WAR, Aion, TERA and GW 2 and all of them have had the same type of flaws. Linear, simplistic and lack of living, breathing virtual world and instead artifical level bracketted zones which you follow in linear fashion from lvl 1 to cap.

So the hate is not blind, it is based on extensive experience.

  MMOExposed

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1/23/13 3:32:08 PM#16
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

 

there was never anything sandbox in a MMO kind of way about elder scrolls games. Sandbox for single player games are define by their open world design. Look it up. Nothing to do with player made content. All MMO have open worlds. Adding multiplayer to skyrim or oblivion and you get the same gameplay found in any themepark mmo. There is nothing unique about the elder scrolls gameplay thatsnot found in a themepark

  Istavaan

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1/23/13 3:33:22 PM#17
Originally posted by Karteli

TESO is segregating factions in order to avoid conflicts, so if anything it's closer to a SWTOR clone than a WoW clone.

 

All the reviews also indicate that TESO will be fully themepark, which to me means, great for a month or 2 before buyers remorse sets in ..

 

But welcome to the MMORPG community!  You've taken your first step..

Reviews? they played one zone and one dungeon you can't really pass judgement on such a small part of the game. The reviews were positive aswell but i guess you only like to see the negativity.

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1/23/13 3:34:52 PM#18
Originally posted by Ides385

I made this account because I was tired of all the generic negativity surrounding a game we know little about.

 

Isn't this the way it always works?  I remember when EverQuest was a few months from being launched.  I was really looking forward to it, but there were so many gamers hanging out at alt.games.ultimaonline and alt.games.everquest predicting the "pvp switch" would never work and that "nobody" would want to play a game without free-for-all UO-style pvp.

Well, all those people were wrong, and we knew a helluva lot more about Everquest at that time than we do about ESO right now.

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1/23/13 3:35:09 PM#19
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

just like how warcraft was an rts and they made it a mmorpg, is that not pissing on your fanbase? You've no idea what this game will be like yet you are hating it already, see it for yourself before you start throwing tantrums.

very much agreed.. the blind hatred over themeparks on these forums is just sad... from all i have read sounds like they have some solid ideas so hopefully it will pan out

It is not blind. Most of us labeled ThemePark haters have played the original sandbox MMOs and all the generic ThemePark MMOs and found them lacking.

I have personally played WoW, AoC, WAR, Aion, TERA and GW 2 and all of them have had the same flaws. Linear, simplistic and lack of living, breathing virtual world and instead artifical level bracketted zones which you follow in linear fashion from lvl 1 to cap.

So the hate is not blind, it is based on extensive experience.

you have not played ESO, we still don't know a lot about what the final product will actually be and you say to hate it because it's a themepark.. yea id' call that blind hatred towards themeparks... just because you haven't found one fun for you doesn't mean it won't happen.. you never know. I'd rather keep an open mind than just hate for the sake of hating on something...

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1/23/13 3:38:56 PM#20
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Yamota

I think even one of the mmorpg staff, who had test-played the game, said it was a ThemePark so I think it is pretty much a sure thing that it is. And an Elder Scrolls game, which are traditionally open ended sandboxy RPGs, contrary to linear story based one's like Dragon Age, being created as a ThemePark deserves to be hated.

It is like taking a piss on your fanbase and creating something completely else.

 

there was never anything sandbox in a MMO kind of way about elder scrolls games. Sandbox for single player games are define by their open world design. Look it up. Nothing to do with player made content. All MMO have open worlds. Adding multiplayer to skyrim or oblivion and you get the same gameplay found in any themepark mmo. There is nothing unique about the elder scrolls gameplay thatsnot found in a themepark

Nonsense. Themepark MMOs do not have open world design, they are clearly designed to funnel you from quest hub to quest hub, level bracketted zone to level bracketted zone and your character is carefully designed to be able to fight the content for that particular level bracket.

Skyrim was not designed like that. There was a story line that you could follow but you could also go out completely on your own and enjoy the game because the world was designed so that you could do that and still enjoy the game. ThemePark games, altough you could do it that way, are not designed as such.

And sandbox MMOs are also not defined by player made content but rather by open world design. However since they are MMOs, player made content is one of the elements typically associated with sandbox MMOs. However a ThemePark could also have it, just look at the STO foundry system, so it is not direcly related to sandbox MMOs.

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