Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by boxsnd
Not so fast GW2 fan! If in the near future we see other MMOs adopting things like no trinity, the downed mechanic in PvE and PvP, hearts and dynamic events, overflow servers etc then we might say it's influential. Until then, patience.

I can't see any other game, from last year, that other companies will be influenced by. I am happy that there is no trinity as I am bored to death with that simplified game mechanic. It was used a crutch for too long.

Isn't the homogonization of classes into builds that can complete every task necessary in groups just as boring?

I'd say yes, but apparently, 'no trinty', as a given is a good thing, to some people....

If any companies are going to be influnced by ANET and GW2 I'd say there most outstanding contribution to the genre is marketing on a budget.  Actually is a laughable simple strategy:

Step One: Search forums were jaded MMO players spend time and see what words they use most to describe why they hate most offerings in the market now, fully aware that if certain people complain constantly they really just want to love again.

Step Two: Make a video, not stating specifics, but saying your game is going to be the opposite of those things everyone hates and will be superduper awesome, while at the same time trying to pretend that your just like those poor jaded players but in reality have better teeth and don't live with your parents.

Step Three: Jaded people will watch and fall in love, then you can sit back and let them convert everyone else to your game. KAching!!! 3miliion sales later!

Step Four(Optional): Ban anyone who exploits and never admit a mistake. Game is great right? Why would we make a mistake?!?!

The rest of the games, 'features', are actually adaptions of other elements of other games, (Dynamic Events=PQs WAR Rift, Races/starting areas=Azeroth, Instanced PVP=WoW, Crafting=WoW/EQ2, etc,etc).  The only things I would say are unique is the skill/weapon system, (although I think I did play a Korean MMO that had different wepaon skills on equip, not sure though) and the downed state and neither of them are the games finest hour.  If you can do everything then that doesn't make many classes unique long term.  You know somethings wrong with this when every Warrior, Guardian, Hunter, Thief, Necro whatever is running around with all signet skills, because that makes it, 'best', to level. 

To be fair I don't mind GW2, but it's wafer thin to me and only has a few tricks in it's repertoire and once you've seen them your unlikely to want to see them again. Okay game, just nowhere near the ANET lovers hype.

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by boxsnd
Not so fast GW2 fan! If in the near future we see other MMOs adopting things like no trinity, the downed mechanic in PvE and PvP, hearts and dynamic events, overflow servers etc then we might say it's influential. Until then, patience.

I can't see any other game, from last year, that other companies will be influenced by. I am happy that there is no trinity as I am bored to death with that simplified game mechanic. It was used a crutch for too long.

Isn't the homogonization of classes into builds that can complete every task necessary in groups just as boring?

I'd say yes, but apparently, 'no trinty', as a given is a good thing, to some people....

If any companies are going to be influnced by ANET and GW2 I'd say there most outstanding contribution to the genre is marketing on a budget.  Actually is a laughable simple strategy:

Step One: Search forums were jaded MMO players spend time and see what words they use most to describe why they hate most offerings in the market now, fully aware that if certain people complain constantly they really just want to love again.

Step Two: Make a video, not stating specifics, but saying your game is going to be the opposite of those things everyone hates and will be superduper awesome, while at the same time trying to pretend that your just like those poor jaded players but in reality have better teeth and don't live with your parents.

Step Three: Jaded people will watch and fall in love, then you can sit back and let them convert everyone else to your game. KAching!!! 3miliion sales later!

Step Four(Optional): Ban anyone who exploits and never admit a mistake. Game is great right? Why would we make a mistake?!?!

 

The rest of the games, 'features', are actually adaptions of other elements of other games, (Dynamic Events=PQs WAR Rift, Races/starting areas=Azeroth, Instanced PVP=WoW, Crafting=WoW/EQ2, etc,etc).  The only things I would say are unique is the skill/weapon system, (although I think I did play a Korean MMO that had different wepaon skills on equip, not sure though) and the downed state and neither of them are the games finest hour.  If you can do everything then that doesn't make many classes unique long term.  You know somethings wrong with this when every Warrior, Guardian, Hunter, Thief, Necro whatever is running around with all signet skills, because that makes it, 'best', to level. 

To be fair I don't mind GW2, but it's wafer thin to me and only has a few tricks in it's repertoire and once you've seen them your unlikely to want to see them again. Okay game, just nowhere near the ANET lovers hype.

Don't forget to say, IMO - because in people who like GW2 - they think the opposite. And my opinion is the only one that matters to me!!

As far as exploiters, etc - read the EULA, it clearly states the ban hammer will come out if you use an exploit - PERIOD.  It happens with other companies also but since A.Net is B2P you figure they will let it go I guess.

Originally posted by ucidaitaci

Originally posted by vandal5627

Originally posted by ucidaitaci

Originally posted by vandal5627

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by boxsnd
Not so fast GW2 fan! If in the near future we see other MMOs adopting things like no trinity, the downed mechanic in PvE and PvP, hearts and dynamic events, overflow servers etc then we might say it's influential. Until then, patience.

Exactly. When I read the OPs post I was wondering if he even knew what influential means. So far I have seen nothing to indicate the GW 2 has influenced other games to do what GW 2 did. And keep in mind that Dynamic Events was done by Rift and then WAR before so GW 2 cannot take credit for that.

However GW 2 is popular but so is McDonalds. Does not mean that it is high quality or even innovative. It simply means that it is catering to a great deal of people. The B2P model is probably what caters to most people as I strongly doubt it would be half as popular if it was subscription based. 

wow the McDonalds analogy haven't seen that 5 million times already.. if McDonalds sold crap in a bag literally would it be popular? no of course not.. the food tastes good to millions of people that is why it's popular. GW2 is a fun game and that is why it is selling well and doing well.. not that hard to figure out.

 People dont eat mcdonalds because it's good, it's because it's ok food that is cheap.  You can ask anyone, if they want to endulge in good food, mcdonalds would not be the first thing on their mind.  That's how it is with GW2, an ok game with no subscriptions, people would flock to that just like everyone flocked back to Stars Wars, TERA when it went free to play.  It's human nature, why pay for something when you dont have to.

Oh you funny person, you should totally be a comedian. Alot of people actually do find McDonalds food quite good, funny enough I'm not one of them, but the majority of the people that love McDonalds, when I ask them why do they get McD cause they just love it. Talking about cheap food, here in Australia you can get the cheapest food from the super markets instead going to McDonalds but you still see people lining up for it. GW2 was popular not just because of the dynamic system, you are forgetting the combat system, thats the only thing I loved about it, gave me such thrills until you master them, it gets dull. it was high quality in storyline *for me that is* and graphic, and they are innovative for their combat system and the dungeon "story related" system. Well said, it was just a theme park.

It's good because it's cheap :) You gonna tell me if someone had a choice between a 5 star restaurant and mcdonalds they gonna choose mcdonalds?  People can afford mcdonalds every day, but they definitely can't afford a 5 star restaurant every day.

I don't really know where you are from. But literally, I mean literally these people find McDonalds "taste good", I'm not even joking. My GF's friend actually prefers Mcdonalds food than any others which includes fancy foods regardless they are affordable or not to her, which quite disturb me. 

 Sure....it taste good because it saves money in their pockets. :)

Originally posted by hikaru77
Was gw2 the most influencial MMO? NO, here is why: What is the next Big MMO coming? TESO,  There is something like GW2 in that game, or GW2 influence?. NO.  Even better, we will have gw2 influence in the  MMOs coming this year, and the next one?, NO, i wonder why.  

What makes you say there is nothing in TESO like GW2? I've noticed that TESO is now hyping "Dynamic Events",  players getting their own rewards for events/kills that players cooperate on and GW2 style resource nodes. There isn't much info on TESO, but in what we do know there are already at least those three freatures borrowed from GW2. I'll bet you there will be many more, major and minor, by the time the game launches.

Misinformation or ignorance? I've given up trying to discern, but the number of such posts is discouraging.

(BTW, If they can pull it off, TESO may match the GW2 Manifesto better than GW2 did on persistance of player influence. It looks like they are combining Dynamic Events with Phasing so that if players "save a village" it remains saved and the villagers celibrate the PC on return. I have mixed feelings about the approach, but it has potential to be awesome. It should be clear, though, that it's yet another thing that GW2 inspired.).

Originally posted by hikaru77
Was gw2 the most influencial MMO? NO, here is why: What is the next Big MMO coming? TESO,  There is something like GW2 in that game, or GW2 influence?. NO.  Even better, we will have gw2 influence in the  MMOs coming this year, and the next one?, NO, i wonder why.  

In the last 12 days you've posted about GW2  a total of 8 times, and all other games a total of 7 times.  I'd say that GW2 is affecting you. You're feeling it's influence.  If it was an insignificant game, you wouldn't even be posting. You're here because it's true. Thanks for proving my point.  

Originally posted by bcbully

You see my sig? That's a quote from OP...

 

Anet found a message for a market of people like OP. Good for Anet, good for OP. 

 

I pray this is not he direction of mmorpgs though, and by the looks of the 2013 mmorpg lineup it will not be.

can I quote you in my sig?

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by boxsnd

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by boxsnd
Not so fast GW2 fan! If in the near future we see other MMOs adopting things like no trinity, the downed mechanic in PvE and PvP, hearts and dynamic events, overflow servers etc then we might say it's influential. Until then, patience.

I can't see any other game, from last year, that other companies will be influenced by. I am happy that there is no trinity as I am bored to death with that simplified game mechanic. It was used a crutch for too long.

How on earth is all-dps more complex than the trinity? 

I know, you'll google later and see how wrong you were...

It's not all-dps... it's all-cc/dps with everything else you can combine if you're good enough to do it.

The skills you have can be combined to achieve even powerful skill combos and as such you actually need to learn how to use the skills in proper moments to get most out of your class to help the group.

It's far more complex when everyone in the party has to be mindfull of the enviroment, aware enough not to make mistakes which can cost your group a repair bill and skilled enough to combine attacks in order to achieve maximum.

Now, do you see where the complexity lies in?

my mesmer can pull off some incredible feats playing mostly support.. flexability in this game is key to enjoying the combat imho.. if you just play dps you probably will get bored..

agreed.

Mesmer is my only max lvl and is nearly my favorite class in any MMO that i have ever played. i use dual wield swords, then switch to staff when i need the range and more defenses.

i've been on a break, but that just makes it all the better when i go back.

Originally posted by bcbully

You see my sig? That's a quote from OP...

 

Anet found a message for a market of people like OP. Good for Anet, good for OP. 

 

I pray this is not he direction of mmorpgs though, and by the looks of the 2013 mmorpg lineup it will not be.

curious how it's not? we got lots of action oriented themeparks headed are way such as wildstar, ESO, Neverwinter, Blade & Soul.. and I'm sure i'm missing one or two

Originally posted by Leucent
Yes it s so influential, it s starting to add a WOW endgame. Good lord, OP, you like the game, why yap about it non stop. It s just a game after all.

Well, you get points for irony, I'll give you that!

Originally posted by Leucent
Yes it s so influential, it s starting to add a WOW endgame. Good lord, OP, you like the game, why yap about it non stop. It s just a game after all.

Really? Since when WoW has WvWvW? Dynamic events? Level scaling for open world? Open tapping? BIS gear on AH or any game activity?

Now i see it! It TOTALLY copied WoW! And its ADDING MORE! RUN!

I havent stepped in a dungeon yet and im 80 for a loooong time now, and im all about endgame I dont really know how my experience could be more different than WoW rofl

Originally posted by Leucent
Yes it s so influential, it s starting to add a WOW endgame. Good lord, OP, you like the game, why yap about it non stop. It s just a game after all.

Well, to be honest, some times people ask me questions like you did, so I answer.  Should I be talking about games that I don't like? The folks in the TSW forums would disagree with that.

Anyhow, I'm assuming that when you're talking about the WOW endgame it's a "Holycrap!" type of WOW, and not a "World of Warcraft" type of WoW, because if it WAS the latter, it would imply you know nothing of the game except what you read from trolls in the forums.  And that would imply that I really need to share the truth more often.

So which is it?

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Leucent
Yes it s so influential, it s starting to add a WOW endgame. Good lord, OP, you like the game, why yap about it non stop. It s just a game after all.

Well, to be honest, some times people ask me questions like you did, so I answer.  Should I be talking about games that I don't like? The folks in the TSW forums would disagree with that.

Anyhow, I'm assuming that when you're talking about the WOW endgame it's a "Holycrap!" type of WOW, and not a "World of Warcraft" type of WoW, because if it WAS the latter, it would imply you know nothing of the game except what you read from trolls in the forums.  And that would imply that I really need to share the truth more often.

So which is it?

As I levelled up in GW2 I kept upgrading my weapons and armor to ones with higher stats.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Leucent
Yes it s so influential, it s starting to add a WOW endgame. Good lord, OP, you like the game, why yap about it non stop. It s just a game after all.

Well, to be honest, some times people ask me questions like you did, so I answer.  Should I be talking about games that I don't like? The folks in the TSW forums would disagree with that.

Anyhow, I'm assuming that when you're talking about the WOW endgame it's a "Holycrap!" type of WOW, and not a "World of Warcraft" type of WoW, because if it WAS the latter, it would imply you know nothing of the game except what you read from trolls in the forums.  And that would imply that I really need to share the truth more often.

So which is it?

As I levelled up in GW2 I kept upgrading my weapons and armor to ones with higher stats.

So does that mean that the GW2 manifesto was right, and the entire game IS endgame?

What has GW2 influenced?  like at all?

And if you say people talking about it, I will laugh in your face as you'd have just called The War Z more influential.

Originally posted by eyelolled

So does that mean that the GW2 manifesto was right, and the entire game IS endgame?

If I upgrade all throughout the levels, until I find the best stats weapon I can find at max level, will I be able to go back to the beginner zone and find a better version to replace it?

In other words, no.

There is a lot in the manifesto video that borders on lies.  Especially the parts regarding grinding, boss respawns, permanent changes, towns staying saved, etc.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

What has GW2 influenced?  like at all?

And if you say people talking about it, I will laugh in your face as you'd have just called The War Z more influential.

i said it on the first page of this thread but to me one of the biggest things is it showed a AAA MMO can release as B2P and still roll out monthly content updates.. i can't think of a single other MMO that has released content patches this fast not even Rift did.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by kadepsyson

What has GW2 influenced?  like at all?

And if you say people talking about it, I will laugh in your face as you'd have just called The War Z more influential.

i said it on the first page of this thread but to me one of the biggest things is it showed a AAA MMO can release as B2P and still roll out monthly content updates.. i can't think of a single other MMO that has released content patches this fast not even Rift did.

So it did something well.  Now, tell me what it has influenced?

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by kadepsyson

What has GW2 influenced?  like at all?

And if you say people talking about it, I will laugh in your face as you'd have just called The War Z more influential.

i said it on the first page of this thread but to me one of the biggest things is it showed a AAA MMO can release as B2P and still roll out monthly content updates.. i can't think of a single other MMO that has released content patches this fast not even Rift did.

 AC had/has Monthly content updates .. long long ago, .. And as i said before UO had/has o threat/taunt mechaic 15 years ago .. so 2 more GW2 myths ....debunked