Originally posted by Ramonski7
I bought and played for about a month. The biggest draw for me was the Vindictus-like combat in a lobbyless world. After the first month I chose not to resub. It was more to do with the horrible launch day blues and horrid questing direction. Needless to say that Terra Rising's F2P model is one of the best I've seen and future sub based mmos need to take note of not taking away from what would have made your game attractive but adding to it to get players back aboard. And after experiencing some of the more resent conversion to F2P that include: SWTOR, TSW and Vanguard. Terra is heads and tails above.

Vanguard has lowered its restrictions for free players as well.  I wonder if the more open free play and buy to play payment models are influencing some of the older F2P and Freemium models.  EQ2 has changed a little, last fall it dropped the gold cap, but didn't follow suit with VG.

I'm seriously on the fence with trying this.  I don't really like how the game was conceived with the whole NCSoft thing.  As a developer that sort of thing doesn't sit well with me.  On the other hand it seems EME has gone out of its way to make the game accessible and break the mold of traditional payment models.  I respect and support that when I can (I bought TSW when they shifted).

I really like a lot about RaiderZ and have heard a lot of positive feedback here about the combat and class design.

In all I give them props for breaking out of the mold, literally and figuratively, of the standard payment schema.

this felt more of an ad reading than a article about an mmo :(

Everything in this game, besides

- combat
- visuals

is horribly broken or twisted, depending on PoV. They barely fixed a thing since release and in most cases since fgt1 (4 years). Many things were made worse (removed features, grindier, sometimes far grindier - for example currently KR instances drop roughly order of magnitue more gold than NA version - npc prices of the stuff that matters remained the same) compared to KR counterpart.

And they actually kept digging up their nonsensical hole of broken mechanics and ideas, layer after layer - from update to update.

Yes, the combat shines (in comparison to other games) - sure there are issues (never fixed, what for ?) but overall it's a gem. Visuals are great, maps are big and visually great (and devoid of players for obvious reasons). But that's all - and you can't build a successful game just on top of that. Why do you think - barely after 2 years of struggling in KR - it goes f2p ? Because pricing model was bad ? No, because BHS (and to lesser extent EME and GF) consits of blindfolded imbeciles uncapable of grasping why people still play this, despite all the shortcomings.

What's worse, the KR version is in the process of mercilessly dumbing down the game further. But then again - f2p "revolving door" customers are coming.

A shame really.

Thanks for bringing attention to this.

Tera is purely f2p, people who take the "premium" subscription only receive more daily entries to endgame dungeons, shorter dungeon cooldowns and more daily quests.

Basically this means if you are going to play a lot spending the 15$ a month is a good idea. If you are playing casually/semi-casual you don't need the subscription at all. Or if you play ALTS you don't even have time to do the extra dungeons/quests.

The CS items are still undisclosed but you get every bit of the content and upcoming updates without playing a dime.

They may be closer to F2P than other Freemium games but it is STILL FREEMIUM.

FREE-MIUM = FREE with PREMIUM option

It creates a player class system where free players are second class citizens, or in this case, third class citizens.

I expect things like this from companies like Sony, EA, Funcom...not from a company like EnMasse/BlueHole which is filled with people that have made ACTUAL F2P games targetting the F2P player market.

Freemium does not target the much larger F2P playerbase, it targets subscription players looking for something new, that mostly already passed on the game because it wasnt to their liking...and no freemium game in history ever tricked enough people into a freemium account to regain its former glory...not one, because it doesnt work, the game wasnt good enough to either gain a large playerbase or retain it in the first place.

Go free where the real money is or just let the game die already because its just being prolonged...may as well make the big bucks like Nexon does with their FREE games that are of a much lower quality.

"With our founders, who are our current subscribers"

You forgot us old subbers, some who even paid for a CE, mister Patrick Sun.

Good thing the FAQ says "All user accounts with the Standard or Collector’s Edition (digital or physical) will be transformed into a Veteran account."

Anyways, it's smart what they did. F2P (pretty generous too). Like it? Buy the game (B2P) while the units last and get more benefits.

"DO I STILL NEED TO BUY THE BOX OR DIGITAL VERSION ONCE THE GAME GOES FREE2PLAY?

With the launch of our Free2Play version there is no longer any need to buy a box or digital version. The game can then be downloaded for free on our website. Of course it is possible that some retail partners will still have copies of TERA in stock. You will still be able to gain the Veteran account status by buying one of those copies."

TERA-EU.

So once all the units are sold out, then it's only F2P ---> sub for anyone who wants a bit more out of the game. I don't know what to think of that.

Originally posted by Xirik
yeah the lesser amount of bankslots and not being able to send vast amounts of gold in the mail sure will make people feel like a 3rd class citizen... *eyeroll*

Yeah, because you can't trade in person right ...oh wait, you can.

Also i'm sure most people can manage with 72 bank slots.

I don't know, I think the F2P model is very good for the free player, i'm with you on this, eyeroll to the complainers.

Originally posted by jtcgs

They may be closer to F2P than other Freemium games but it is STILL FREEMIUM.

FREE-MIUM = FREE with PREMIUM option

It creates a player class system where free players are second class citizens, or in this case, third class citizens.

I expect things like this from companies like Sony, EA, Funcom...not from a company like EnMasse/BlueHole which is filled with people that have made ACTUAL F2P games targetting the F2P player market.

Freemium does not target the much larger F2P playerbase, it targets subscription players looking for something new, that mostly already passed on the game because it wasnt to their liking...and no freemium game in history ever tricked enough people into a freemium account to regain its former glory...not one, because it doesnt work, the game wasnt good enough to either gain a large playerbase or retain it in the first place.

Go free where the real money is or just let the game die already because its just being prolonged...may as well make the big bucks like Nexon does with their FREE games that are of a much lower quality.

How much more free do you expect them to get? Even for completely free players there's barely any restrictions. It's by far one of the best F2P models I've seen yet and as I said earlier, it's borderline too good. In some areas people who've purchased the client have it better than new subscribers! There's no segregation of the community going on here. The game is F2P, not Freemium.

Some people will bitch about anything I suppose...

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Xirik
yeah the lesser amount of bankslots and not being able to send vast amounts of gold in the mail sure will make people feel like a 3rd class citizen... *eyeroll*

Yeah, because you can't trade in person right ...oh wait, you can.

 

Also i'm sure most people can manage with 72 bank slots.

^ exactly and if you really need more bank slots get a founders sugar daddy :)

I really do suggest people buy the game now for $19 or whatever price that is lower so they can get founders as right now its effectively B2P

and you can really tell lots of people are buying or coming back at the moment.

http://beta.xfire.com/games/teraon

it went from 500/700 hrs played a day to 2000 on the 13th.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by jtcgs

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Some people will bitch about anything I suppose...

Some people, yes. Who crawled out of their usual subforums.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

How much more free do you expect them to get? Even for completely free players there's barely any restrictions. It's by far one of the best F2P models I've seen yet and as I said earlier, it's borderline too good. In some areas people who've purchased the client have it better than new subscribers! There's no segregation of the community going on here. The game is F2P, not Freemium.

Some people will bitch about anything I suppose...

 Congrats on such a long post given without really reading what was being replied to. There is a difference between FREE and FREEMIUM and NO FREEMIUM GAME DOES AS WELL AS THE BETTER FREE 2 PLAY GAMES.

They KNOW this, but still went FREEMIUM. That is the point of my post. THere was no COMPLAINT involved...it was a post pointing out the LIE that its a F2P game, and pointing out the bad business decision for what it is.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by darkhalf357x
I agree with RemyBurke. The ultra narrow linear questing has to change. I played in Beta but just thinking of going through the SAME exact quests again is making me cautious. Give us multiple starter areas.

 

There are alternate areas here and there. Players just need to be a bit more proactive and look for them. Still, it is a standard quest "kill x" game.

Thanks.  At which point can I branch off?  I assume I still have to do the first 10-20 levels using the same quests.  No?

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Rednecksith

How much more free do you expect them to get? Even for completely free players there's barely any restrictions. It's by far one of the best F2P models I've seen yet and as I said earlier, it's borderline too good. In some areas people who've purchased the client have it better than new subscribers! There's no segregation of the community going on here. The game is F2P, not Freemium.

Some people will bitch about anything I suppose...

 Congrats on such a long post given without really reading what was being replied to. There is a difference between FREE and FREEMIUM and NO FREEMIUM GAME DOES AS WELL AS THE BETTER FREE 2 PLAY GAMES.

They KNOW this, but still went FREEMIUM. That is the point of my post. THere was no COMPLAINT involved...it was a post pointing out the LIE that its a F2P game, and pointing out the bad business decision for what it is.

Can I do everything that a subber can as a ftp player? yep! I can lvl to 60, I can do all the same dungeons, I can pvp and not get crushed by p2w weapons, 

What ftp games are you talking about anyway?

Originally posted by darkhalf357x
Oh, and if I am using the 'Discovery' (free for 20 levels) edition will that not work when it goes F2P?  Or do I have to purchase and download a whole new client?

It will work when it goes ftp. You can hit cap in discovery then wait till FTP comes and continue on lvling.

So... lvl all classes to lvl 20 over the next while?

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Rednecksith

How much more free do you expect them to get? Even for completely free players there's barely any restrictions. It's by far one of the best F2P models I've seen yet and as I said earlier, it's borderline too good. In some areas people who've purchased the client have it better than new subscribers! There's no segregation of the community going on here. The game is F2P, not Freemium.

Some people will bitch about anything I suppose...

 Congrats on such a long post given without really reading what was being replied to. There is a difference between FREE and FREEMIUM and NO FREEMIUM GAME DOES AS WELL AS THE BETTER FREE 2 PLAY GAMES.

They KNOW this, but still went FREEMIUM. That is the point of my post. THere was no COMPLAINT involved...it was a post pointing out the LIE that its a F2P game, and pointing out the bad business decision for what it is.

I still don't get your point.  wtf is freemium? Why do you care if the game does better or not?  Are you invested?  Its just a game.  You either like it and will try it, or perhaps you played it hate it.

But I dont think you have enough solid evidence to back up that it was a bad business decision.  (Nor that anyone cares).