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  jdnewell

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Posts: 1847

1/18/13 9:45:29 AM#21
Originally posted by grndzro

yea I agree in general with ECS but their new line brings it on par with the top tier.

Read this Review of their latest 1155 offering. I had to translate since it's in Indonesian.

But in the past I would never reccomend ECS. They seem to be making a decent product. I might even switch from Asrock to ECS as my budget go to brand.

THe Xigmatek Gaia with 1 fan is a very good heatsink. Adding 1 fan for 10$ puts it on par with much more expensive ones.

Never underestimate good thermal paste. That is a top tier product that comes with enough paste for many many years.

If I raise my ram timings to CL9 it is noticably less snappy when browsing. IMO it's worth it.

The HyperX SSD is a better deal ^^ But the Gskill one is slower.

The 7850PE is actually faster than a stock 7870. and has voltage control. Look at the benchmarks with OC 7850 vs 7870. It caps the bandwidth. And for some reason the 7870's cant clock that high. I actually have this card and would reccomend it over a 7870.

 

I will just have to respectfully disagree with some of your choices. We all have different opinions and I respect yours even tho I would go a different route. The parts I suggested are what " I " would do. May not be perfect in every aspect but overall for his budget its a very solid system that will do every thing he wants it to do and more. Personally I would go with the link I posted from pcpartpicker.com. It includes an SSD and an HDD for just over $1k before rebates and less than $1k after. Ultimately it is up to the OP to choose of course. I just offered my opinion and what I personally would go with. I wish him well with whatever he chooses =)
  ShakyMo

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1/18/13 10:42:08 AM#22
Some thoughts

Motherboards - most important bit to get right quality wise stick with good brands like gigabyte, asus and Intel.

Xigmaletec - yeah they make good coolers and stuff, one of the better mid range brands.

Gpu - if you shop around you can get 7950 for just over $300, well worth it, blows everything current games wise away and clocks like a bastard if you want to fit a cooler and step it up in a few years time (you really don't need to clock one now) best pixel per buck on the market (well except some low end gaming cards)

Cpu - you really don't need anything better than a 2500k or 6350fx, the only reason to go 3570k or a new i7 is if you have non gaming heavy cpu needs or you want more lifetime out of your (more expensive) ivy bridge motherboard

Psu - dont cut corners on this get a quality supply from likes of corsair or coolermaster. I would rather have a quality 550w supply than a cheap 750w supply.

Ram speed - really you won't see more than 1fps difference between 1866 it 1600

7870 - yeah it does clock badly for an AMD card, but you don't really need to clock it for anything this year.

Ssd - they are nice for quick boots and faster load times in some (but not all) games, but you can manage without one if you have a quality hard disk.
  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
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1/18/13 1:06:31 PM#23


Originally posted by ShakyMo
Some thoughtsMotherboards - most important bit to get right quality wise stick with good brands like gigabyte, asus and Intel.Xigmaletec - yeah they make good coolers and stuff, one of the better mid range brands.Gpu - if you shop around you can get 7950 for just over $300, well worth it, blows everything current games wise away and clocks like a bastard if you want to fit a cooler and step it up in a few years time (you really don't need to clock one now) best pixel per buck on the market (well except some low end gaming cards)Cpu - you really don't need anything better than a 2500k or 6350fx, the only reason to go 3570k or a new i7 is if you have non gaming heavy cpu needs or you want more lifetime out of your (more expensive) ivy bridge motherboardPsu - dont cut corners on this get a quality supply from likes of corsair or coolermaster. I would rather have a quality 550w supply than a cheap 750w supply.Ram speed - really you won't see more than 1fps difference between 1866 it 16007870 - yeah it does clock badly for an AMD card, but you don't really need to clock it for anything this year.Ssd - they are nice for quick boots and faster load times in some (but not all) games, but you can manage without one if you have a quality hard disk.

Most of your stuff I don't disagree with.

The difference between an i5 2500k and an i5 3570k - you make the assumption that the 2500k is a lot less expensive. It's not.

2500k: $219 US
3570k: $229 US

Why wouldn't you pay $10 extra dollars for 10-15% stock out of the box performance increase? And often times you can find the CPU slightly discounted or in a combo deal...

The fX 6300 would be the next step down:
FX 6300: $139 US
That also uses a slightly less expensive motherboard (maybe $20-$30 US on average for a feature-comparable motherboard) For a net savings of around $125 total for the system. It gives great performance on stuff that can scale to 6 cores (of which, there isn't much), but for stuff that needs per-core performance, it still suffers far behind the Intel. I wouldn't consider the 8-core, because the price versus performance isn't there (+$50-$70): the per-core performance isn't worth paying for an extra 2 cores that aren't hardly going to get used anyway, but the price/value of a 6 over the 4 is nice right now (about +$10).

Given a budget and the choice to go with either processor, I wouldn't consider the 2500k at all.
I always start with an Intel with a Z77 for my baseline choice, and try to pair it with the best GPU I can. If I can't make an i5 work with at least a 7770/650Ti level graphics card, then I consider dropping to the FX-6300, and reallocating that saved money into the graphics.

Very rarely will I drop the K-edition and go to a base CPU and H77-series motherboard, most customers don't want to overclock, but for an extra $25-$40 it's better to have the option available (a couple of years down the road) when it can give them a "free" speed boost when they need it most (and at worse just have to upgrade the heatsink to get a moderate over clock), than not have the option at all and be looking at new motherboard+new CPU as the only options availble to get some increased performance. The savings at that point is there, on a budget, but not terribly significant compared to the tradeoff.

  Rojiin

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Joined: 11/03/06
Posts: 49

1/18/13 7:05:02 PM#24

If you could save $125 by going with a FX6300 and MB and then put that into a 7950 gpu, wouldn't that be money better spent?  I have read that the 6300 is about 25% slower than the I5 on a per core basis, but is that 25% that big of a detriment?  I am not saying that an I5 is not worth it, but if on a limited budget wouldn't  the best GPU you can afford carry you further than the best CPU?  I guess its more of a question of longevity, but it seems the cpu is becoming less of a factor in gaming.  Do any of you think that anything will come along in the next few years (game wise) that will need that extra 25% of cpu power to be playable?

Just some questions that came to mind after reading through the builds in this thread.  I guess it really depends on what else you do besides gaming ( modeling, video work, graphic design ect.).

  Quizzical

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1/18/13 7:09:50 PM#25
Originally posted by Rojiin

If you could save $125 by going with a FX6300 and MB and then put that into a 7950 gpu, wouldn't that be money better spent?  I have read that the 6300 is about 25% slower than the I5 on a per core basis, but is that 25% that big of a detriment?  I am not saying that an I5 is not worth it, but if on a limited budget wouldn't  the best GPU you can afford carry you further than the best CPU?  I guess its more of a question of longevity, but it seems the cpu is becoming less of a factor in gaming.  Do any of you think that anything will come along in the next few years (game wise) that will need that extra 25% of cpu power to be playable?

Just some questions that came to mind after reading through the builds in this thread.  I guess it really depends on what else you do besides gaming ( modeling, video work, graphic design ect.).

An FX-6300 is slower than a Core i5-3570K on a per-core basis, but makes up for it by having more cores.  Or at least, if your program scales well to six cores, it roughly matches the 3570K.

A game that needs more CPU power than four Piledriver cores would offer but doesn't scale well to six cores is a badly-coded game.  So it's really just a question of whether you like to play badly-coded games.  You'd certainly rather have the option than not, but it's a question of priorities.

  Rojiin

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1/18/13 7:52:31 PM#26
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Rojiin

If you could save $125 by going with a FX6300 and MB and then put that into a 7950 gpu, wouldn't that be money better spent?  I have read that the 6300 is about 25% slower than the I5 on a per core basis, but is that 25% that big of a detriment?  I am not saying that an I5 is not worth it, but if on a limited budget wouldn't  the best GPU you can afford carry you further than the best CPU?  I guess its more of a question of longevity, but it seems the cpu is becoming less of a factor in gaming.  Do any of you think that anything will come along in the next few years (game wise) that will need that extra 25% of cpu power to be playable?

Just some questions that came to mind after reading through the builds in this thread.  I guess it really depends on what else you do besides gaming ( modeling, video work, graphic design ect.).

An FX-6300 is slower than a Core i5-3570K on a per-core basis, but makes up for it by having more cores.  Or at least, if your program scales well to six cores, it roughly matches the 3570K.

A game that needs more CPU power than four Piledriver cores would offer but doesn't scale well to six cores is a badly-coded game.  So it's really just a question of whether you like to play badly-coded games.  You'd certainly rather have the option than not, but it's a question of priorities.

Ah!  but in my badly coded game would I be better served by an I5 and a 7870, or a FX6300 and a 7950?  Would it be a wash?

  Quizzical

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1/18/13 7:58:03 PM#27
Originally posted by Rojiin
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Rojiin

If you could save $125 by going with a FX6300 and MB and then put that into a 7950 gpu, wouldn't that be money better spent?  I have read that the 6300 is about 25% slower than the I5 on a per core basis, but is that 25% that big of a detriment?  I am not saying that an I5 is not worth it, but if on a limited budget wouldn't  the best GPU you can afford carry you further than the best CPU?  I guess its more of a question of longevity, but it seems the cpu is becoming less of a factor in gaming.  Do any of you think that anything will come along in the next few years (game wise) that will need that extra 25% of cpu power to be playable?

Just some questions that came to mind after reading through the builds in this thread.  I guess it really depends on what else you do besides gaming ( modeling, video work, graphic design ect.).

An FX-6300 is slower than a Core i5-3570K on a per-core basis, but makes up for it by having more cores.  Or at least, if your program scales well to six cores, it roughly matches the 3570K.

A game that needs more CPU power than four Piledriver cores would offer but doesn't scale well to six cores is a badly-coded game.  So it's really just a question of whether you like to play badly-coded games.  You'd certainly rather have the option than not, but it's a question of priorities.

Ah!  but in my badly coded game would I be better served by an I5 and a 7870, or a FX6300 and a 7950?  Would it be a wash?

The Core i5-3570K will give you markedly better performance in games that need high single-threaded performance.

But in a well-coded game that either doesn't need a ton of CPU power or does scale well to six cores, the 7950 would let you turn graphical settings up higher.  Though a 7870 itself is no slouch, and will let you run high to max settings in nearly everything on the market now, unless you're running an unusually high monitor resolution.

  grndzro

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1/18/13 9:50:38 PM#28
Originally posted by Rojiin

If you could save $125 by going with a FX6300 and MB and then put that into a 7950 gpu, wouldn't that be money better spent?  I have read that the 6300 is about 25% slower than the I5 on a per core basis, but is that 25% that big of a detriment?  I am not saying that an I5 is not worth it, but if on a limited budget wouldn't  the best GPU you can afford carry you further than the best CPU?  I guess its more of a question of longevity, but it seems the cpu is becoming less of a factor in gaming.  Do any of you think that anything will come along in the next few years (game wise) that will need that extra 25% of cpu power to be playable?

Just some questions that came to mind after reading through the builds in this thread.  I guess it really depends on what else you do besides gaming ( modeling, video work, graphic design ect.).

For some reason a heavily overclocked FX-XXXX processor seems to perform better than the scale of the overclock. I don't know if it's the cache or eliminating the single threaded bottleneck.

But the power requirements of pushing an FX to it's potential is rediculous. You'll more than make up the cost of a heavy OC from the power savings just by going with Intel.

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