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  Icewhite

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1/16/13 3:17:34 PM#21
Originally posted by nariusseldon
You are right .. it is a "fantasy". I highly doubt any devs, even for F2P games, want to get rid of 98% of their players.

Ah yes, the necessity of actually selling your game and turning a profit kills off so many armchair theorist ideas.

But by golly, we can yammeryammer about anything!

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
1/16/13 3:18:37 PM#22
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by nariusseldon
You are right .. it is a "fantasy". I highly doubt any devs, even for F2P games, want to get rid of 98% of their players.

Ah yes, the necessity of actually selling your game and turning a profit kills off so many armchair theorist ideas.

But by golly, we can yammeryammer about anything!

 

Damn those "greedy" developers!!

  paulytheb

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1/16/13 3:20:42 PM#23
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by paulytheb
 

I can make the world dark, make people slow down and make crafting relevant?  Wow I had no idea I had so much power !

Its ok though, be contrarian if you wish.

1) world dark .. sure .. just turn down the brigtness/gamma of your graphics setting.

2) make "people slow down"? Why? I thought you are talking slow travel for yourself. Why would you care how I play my game? And you can certainlyl slow yourself down, can't you?

3) crafting relevant ... it is relevant to you if you wear crafted items, right?

Yeah, you have the power, you just choose to ignore it.

Ok now you are just being silly. I get it.   :-)

As I have already pointed out, there is a new modern game out there that satisfies your critera.

Why the contrarian attitude towards someone who wants something different?

I am not peeing on your dreams, your game is out there already. Your advice to me is to turn my monitor off.

Thanks.

 

( Note to self-Don't say anything bad about Drizzt.)

An acerbic sense of humor is NOT allowed here.

  steamtank

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1/16/13 3:22:30 PM#24

He wants an MMO where the OPTIMAL playstyle is still hard.

He wants an MMO where community is formed due to game mechanics. Everyone levels slow enough that you can actually meet people and if you go ofline for the night still be in level range to play with those people the next day.

Because he wears crafted gear doesn't mean that gear is relevant. If it doesn't have a chance of being of equal value in its level range to found gear it is not relevant. If you have to be lvl 30 to craft lvl 20 gear.. that gear is not relevant. If no one wants to buy your gear beause you had to make 600 pieces in order to get to crafting lvl 31 and EVERYONE else is crafting that same piece 600 times none will ever sell for anything other than materials.

 

i understand this desire. i also agree with it.

  StonesDK

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1/16/13 3:22:51 PM#25
Less threadmill, more fun
  Icewhite

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1/16/13 3:26:52 PM#26
Originally posted by Starpower
Less threadmill, more fun

Less [undefined], more [semantic null].

Sure, that'll work. We think.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  StonesDK

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1/16/13 3:30:26 PM#27
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Starpower
Less threadmill, more fun

Less [undefined], more [semantic null].

Sure, that'll work. We think.

I realize I speak in relative terms but since I'm only speaking for myself I don't really have to specify do I?

  nariusseldon

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1/16/13 3:31:26 PM#28
Originally posted by paulytheb
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by paulytheb
 

I can make the world dark, make people slow down and make crafting relevant?  Wow I had no idea I had so much power !

Its ok though, be contrarian if you wish.

1) world dark .. sure .. just turn down the brigtness/gamma of your graphics setting.

2) make "people slow down"? Why? I thought you are talking slow travel for yourself. Why would you care how I play my game? And you can certainlyl slow yourself down, can't you?

3) crafting relevant ... it is relevant to you if you wear crafted items, right?

Yeah, you have the power, you just choose to ignore it.

Ok now you are just being silly. I get it.   :-)

As I have already pointed out, there is a new modern game out there that satisfies your critera.

Why the contrarian attitude towards someone who wants something different?

I am not peeing on your dreams, your game is out there already. Your advice to me is to turn my monitor off.

Thanks.

 

what "contrarian attitude"? If you adopt some of these advice, the game you want is here .. or at least partly here. That is better than nothing, right?

  Icewhite

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1/16/13 3:32:14 PM#29
Originally posted by Starpower

I realize I speak in relative terms but since I'm only speaking for myself I don't really have to specify do I?

Sure, but when you say "Fun", I think of a band. :shrug: S'your dime.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  StonesDK

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1/16/13 3:33:22 PM#30
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Starpower

I realize I speak in relative terms but since I'm only speaking for myself I don't really have to specify do I?

Sure, but when you say "Fun", I think of a band. :shrug: S'your dime.

What's the band?

  Latronus

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1/16/13 3:36:08 PM#31
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by paulytheb

Why is everyone in such a damn hurry all the time?  Games aren't work. No taskmaster is at your back with a whip. I just wish  the people playing would slow down and smell the roses a bit.

 

Because people are busy? I don't have all day to play games, and i would like my 30 min to be entertaining. It is not like i am hurrying when i play ... but i also don't want to spend 15 of those 30 min staring a a spellbook, or chatting to get a group.

You are in luck my friend!  There's this brand new game that's just come out.  It's the latest thing and sounds like its right up your alley.  Perhaps you've heard of it.  It's called World of Warcraft.  It's only been out for like 8 years or so now.

I too wish we had more games that play more like the older games.  The journey was the fun, now gamers want to log in and win a game that was never supposed to be won.  I can see it now, the next innovation Blizzard will bring to the community in Titan will be the "I win" button.  Log in, press it and BAM!!!  You are already at the level cap with the best gear.  Everyone kows the Blizzard crowd have real lives and are too busy to be bothered with anything less like experiencing the journey.

  User Deleted
1/16/13 3:36:08 PM#32

As to the OP's original post: I can do without the darkness. I never really liked them in other games.  Since I'm playing a game, I don't have my other senses such as smell, surround sound, and spidey sense to enhance my surroundings while in the darkness. I want to play the game, not stumble into trees.

 

The other two on the wish list I agree with completely. Slower leveling curve and worthwhile crafting would be great.

  nariusseldon

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1/16/13 3:36:09 PM#33
Originally posted by steamtank

He wants an MMO where the OPTIMAL playstyle is still hard.

There are plenty. Do hard mode raid in WOW. Don't tell me it is a cake walk. I have done hard mode raiding for a while. It is like 3 hour practice every week for many weeks.

He wants an MMO where community is formed due to game mechanics. Everyone levels slow enough that you can actually meet people and if you go ofline for the night still be in level range to play with those people the next day.

or .. you speed up leveling so most players have max level characters. So if you meet someone at max level, you are in level range to play with the next day.

Because he wears crafted gear doesn't mean that gear is relevant. If it doesn't have a chance of being of equal value in its level range to found gear it is not relevant. If you have to be lvl 30 to craft lvl 20 gear.. that gear is not relevant. If no one wants to buy your gear beause you had to make 600 pieces in order to get to crafting lvl 31 and EVERYONE else is crafting that same piece 600 times none will ever sell for anything other than materials.

 Define relevant. If by relevant, you mean BIS? If you look at WOW AH prices, crafted stuff can make a profit. I have done that before. It is not BIS by any chance (except may be one or two piece), but not zero value either. Certainly not as good as top raid gear .. but that is not what "relevant" means.

i understand this desire. i also agree with it.

The point is that these desires can be fulfilled, with a bit of creativity, in many modern MMOs.

 

  Phelcher

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1/16/13 3:36:56 PM#34
Originally posted by nariusseldon

1. LFD/LFR instance grouping feature

2. teleports .. no long boat rides

3. AH

4. Don't need to commit to play 3 hours to get any where.

5. Good fun combat mechanics.

6. Choices of difficulty levels

 

You have just all the reasons to play a video game, not a roleplaying game. You want to be entertained, because your life itself.. is boring. Roleplayers want to discover, explore and be told "you cant do that.." only years later to prove them wrong. Go play Battlefield, or Batman.. ur not a mmo player, ur a child who wants fo be baby sat...

"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."


-Nariusseldon

  nariusseldon

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1/16/13 3:38:30 PM#35
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by paulytheb

Why is everyone in such a damn hurry all the time?  Games aren't work. No taskmaster is at your back with a whip. I just wish  the people playing would slow down and smell the roses a bit.

 

Because people are busy? I don't have all day to play games, and i would like my 30 min to be entertaining. It is not like i am hurrying when i play ... but i also don't want to spend 15 of those 30 min staring a a spellbook, or chatting to get a group.

You are in luck my friend!  There's this brand new game that's just come out.  It's the latest thing and sounds like its right up your alley.  Perhaps you've heard of it.  It's called World of Warcraft.  It's only been out for like 8 years or so now.

I too wish we had more games that play more like the older games.  The journey was the fun, now gamers want to log in and win a game that was never supposed to be won.  I can see it now, the next innovation Blizzard will bring to the community in Titan will be the "I win" button.  Log in, press it and BAM!!!  You are already at the level cap with the best gear.  Everyone kows the Blizzard crowd have real lives and are too busy to be bothered with anything less like experiencing the journey.

You seem to indicate a journey has to be long to be worthwhile .. which is, of course, totally bonus.

If leveling is fun, i don't see why you need to do it for a year, when 2 weeks will be as fun. And for those who just want to say arena pvp, you are right .. look at LOL .. no more leveling. Just jump in and pvp. That is probably one reason why LOL is now bigger than WOW.

 

  nariusseldon

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1/16/13 3:39:35 PM#36
Originally posted by Phelcher
Originally posted by nariusseldon

1. LFD/LFR instance grouping feature

2. teleports .. no long boat rides

3. AH

4. Don't need to commit to play 3 hours to get any where.

5. Good fun combat mechanics.

6. Choices of difficulty levels

 

You have just all the reasons to play a video game, not a roleplaying game. You want to be entertained, because your life itself.. is boring. Roleplayers want to discover, explore and be told "you cant do that.." only years later to prove them wrong. Go play Battlefield, or Batman.. ur not a mmo player, ur a child who wants fo be baby sat...

On the contrary, why should i play Batman when STO (or fill in another MMO) will satisfy my desire? There is no reason to skip it just because it is a MMO, particularly if it is fun by my preference.

And why do you think i don't play Batman? That is not mutally exclusive from MMOs, is it?

  Icewhite

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1/16/13 3:43:37 PM#37

I wonder, if it only takes 7, 10, 15 years to burn a player out to the point where he gives up on MMOs and begins chanting doom...

...how many years until he tires of chanting doom and finds another hobby?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  nariusseldon

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1/16/13 3:47:00 PM#38
Originally posted by Icewhite

I wonder, if it only takes 7, 10, 15 years to burn a player out to the point where he gives up on MMOs and begins chanting doom...

...how many years until he tires of chanting doom and finds another hobby?

LOL ...

That is the other thing that mysterifies me. If people don't like MMOs, why do they come here? It is not like there is a lack of other things to do.

 

  Darb420

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1/16/13 3:51:58 PM#39

what about the overuse of souldbound items?

 

I miss using a dope item like a fungi tunic on my main, than giving it to my level one twink....

I dont mind sould bound to an extent, but not EVERY single item

  GrayKodiak

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1/16/13 3:55:40 PM#40

I play age of Wushu

It has slower learning (skill based on a timer so no grinding up to level 80 in a week)

It has relevant crafting, the most relevant you can get as it is ALL crafted other than the starter stuff, further the hard part of crafting isn't getting your skill level up but getting the materials and other crafters to help you make that one epic super sword of doom.

It has good shadows but no day night cycle yet, alas you can not have them all I suppose.

It even has that old school learning curve because there isn't a thotbott or wiki for it yet.

 

oh but it has horrible translations and you need to pay 10 dollars a month to get the most out of it so...yea.

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