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  pioneer08

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1/15/13 5:42:14 PM#21
Originally posted by tiefighter25

Kudos on your spelling skillz.

Out of curiosity, how do you know I don't play the game?

On second thought, I don't really care about that, I'm more cuious as how you don't see this as buying a competative advantage.

*Sorry if there are any spelling errors beforehand.

 

This site allows you to view a person post history. Not that hard to tell if someone plays a particular game or just bashed it cause they like to waste years of their life bashing a video game they dont play. As play 2 win as I see it would require you to buy top end gear that is better than anything else in game. Because you can buy a rep bonus (like every other f2p) does not make it p2w. You still need to play the game to get rep. A person that does rep bonus is not guaranteed to get there before someone that does not buy the bonus. Therefore this example of p2w us purely inaccurate. Please give another example of p2w in swtor.
  tiefighter25

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1/15/13 5:45:02 PM#22
Apparently you could Just read my post history for more examples, although that could be construed as wasting your life.
  pioneer08

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1/15/13 5:49:00 PM#23
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Apparently you could Just read my post history for more examples, although that could be construed as wasting your life.

 

Well those would also be inaccurate examples so yes that would be wasting my time.
  jtcgs

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1/15/13 5:53:57 PM#24
Originally posted by pioneer08
Which f2p games does not sell rep bonus I swear some of these posters will complain about anything that has to do with swtor...think it's time to move on.

 AoC, EQ2, LoTRo, DDO, RoM, AO, Atlantica Online, Vindictus...those are a few off the top of my head that comes without needing to actually think about it.

I swear some of these posters will defend anything that has to do with swtor...

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  tiefighter25

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1/15/13 5:55:23 PM#25
Originally posted by pioneer08
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Apparently you could Just read my post history for more examples, although that could be construed as wasting your life.

 

Well those would also be inaccurate examples so yes that would be wasting my time.

Well next time you do your due diligence research into who plays the game and who's opinions are valid or not by going through post history, you could take notes and such on if there are any accurate points tucked in there. Kill two birds with one stone as it were. I thought I had a valid concern as to the future of the game, but apparently my opionion is invalid. So I guess enjoy the option to pay extra money to reduce the length of reputation grind.

  pioneer08

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1/15/13 6:06:59 PM#26
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Originally posted by pioneer08
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Apparently you could Just read my post history for more examples, although that could be construed as wasting your life.

 

Well those would also be inaccurate examples so yes that would be wasting my time.

Well next time you do your due diligence research into who plays the game and who's opinions are valid or not by going through post history, you could take notes and such on if there are any accurate points tucked in there. Kill two birds with one stone as it were. I thought I had a valid concern as to the future of the game, but apparently my opionion is invalid. So I guess enjoy the option to pay extra money to reduce the length of reputation grind.

 

Well i agree some will pay to reduce the time and that's their choice but all I was saying is that by no means =p2w.
  gaou

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1/15/13 7:31:23 PM#27
Originally posted by BadOrb

It sounds pretty good really , just hope you don't get flgged for PVP within that area on Ilum though. I will be still happy for PVP'ers though if that's the case. So it's an ongoing event and from the one screen shot it seems it will have at least 4 sections to gain "reputation" from. Might be a little grindy but at least it's something for poor ilum. I like the sound of the mobile imperial fleet too. It will give people something else to do before the cap goes up in a few months. That "Tron" looking armor seems pretty decent too.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

i play on a pvp server so i dont know the answer to this, but do you get flagged automatically on pve servers when entering the ilum pvp area? because if so, then i think you probably will be auto flagged since thats where it is suppose to be.  one of the reasons they put it there is because they saw how the world bosses in outlaws den during the rakghoul event created pvp battles, and want to try and replicate that

 

as for the gear in the screens, i so want this for my trooper:

 

  Ahnog

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1/16/13 12:14:05 AM#28
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

In reply to ability to buy reputation with cartel coins. I don't think anybody in right mind will do something like that. I much prefer to gain reputation by questing and spend my CC on cartel boxes /grin

 

I am very excited about 1.7. I love Ilum. The night sky in Ilum is the best I've ever seen in any game :)

You will not be buying reputation, you will be buying a boost to you as you pursue reputation. This works just like the leveling boosts that give you more experience for an hour while you play.

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  baphamet

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1/16/13 12:57:57 AM#29


Originally posted by nukempro
1.7 in a nutshell - PQ'S, CASH SHOP, REP GRINDS...OH MY!

EA is going to ask the wizard of OZ for a heart...

EA is also going to ask him for courage to innovate and not copy.

The Swtor playerbase is gonna ask for a brain. This needs to explanation.


i know, because people that enjoy games that you do not are less intelligent, makes sense.

  cronius77

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1/16/13 1:03:52 AM#30
this to me is just a great justification for cancelling my account after they released the free to play cartel market. I feel like this game is warhammer online all over again but with star wars. This so called expansion to reminds me of about the same amount of content that they gave warhammer with the 10$ mini skaven expansion patches. I know this is pretty much the only star wars mmo on the market and there is a lot of fans of the movies and books but people need to stop holding onto hope that this game will ever live up to the Star wars brand in any way but a cash grab.
  User Deleted
1/16/13 3:21:15 AM#31

Uhm....they are adding slider that fills up every time when you do daily.

Now...whats so exciting about that lol since how many dailies ive done i should be granted max rep immediately (though im 99,9% sure i wont get it)

And yah, this is "big Ilum revamp". Talking about dissapointed.

  BadOrb

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1/16/13 11:55:45 AM#32
Originally posted by gaou
Originally posted by BadOrb

It sounds pretty good really , just hope you don't get flgged for PVP within that area on Ilum though. I will be still happy for PVP'ers though if that's the case. So it's an ongoing event and from the one screen shot it seems it will have at least 4 sections to gain "reputation" from. Might be a little grindy but at least it's something for poor ilum. I like the sound of the mobile imperial fleet too. It will give people something else to do before the cap goes up in a few months. That "Tron" looking armor seems pretty decent too.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

i play on a pvp server so i dont know the answer to this, but do you get flagged automatically on pve servers when entering the ilum pvp area? because if so, then i think you probably will be auto flagged since thats where it is suppose to be.  one of the reasons they put it there is because they saw how the world bosses in outlaws den during the rakghoul event created pvp battles, and want to try and replicate that

 

as for the gear in the screens, i so want this for my trooper:

 

Yeah at the present time if you go into that PVP area on Ilum you do get auto flagged on a PVE server. The amount of arguing on the offcial forums about it is mad. We don't even know if they have got rid of that flag yet but I think BioWare actually want people to engage in PVP in these type of areas now and again. Like the Rakghoul event and the HK parts in outlaws den. Yeah that trooper armor looks sick. There is another picture of someone wearing some armor which glows even more than that one too.

My only problem might be that if you do get flagged then isn't it best I carry PVP and PVE armor as there seems to be bosses and PVE content involved with this. I will need expertise or i will be roflstomped. There goes my inventory space.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

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  Karteli

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1/16/13 9:29:17 PM#33
Originally posted by Ahnog
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

In reply to ability to buy reputation with cartel coins. I don't think anybody in right mind will do something like that. I much prefer to gain reputation by questing and spend my CC on cartel boxes /grin

 

I am very excited about 1.7. I love Ilum. The night sky in Ilum is the best I've ever seen in any game :)

You will not be buying reputation, you will be buying a boost to you as you pursue reputation. This works just like the leveling boosts that give you more experience for an hour while you play.

You spend less time to achieve "Legend" with a reputation, thus you are, in fact, buying reputation.  It's not just some cruddy reputation either that you get while leveling up .. it's end-game reputation.

 

I don't like the system very much.  I'd prefer that end-game players actually "achieve" their achievements .. not buy them flat out (like Space Combat ship upgrades), or get them faster than everyone else (like patch 1.7).

 

If you could accelerate some sort of gain in low level content, fine.  But touch end-game material and that's a new ball game.  Fans keep arguing on behalf of EA that this is truly a MMO, and space combat didn't matter anyways (justifying P2W for Space Combat).  So whats next, reputation doesn't matter either?

 

Will morality (dark / light side) points be on the Cartel Market soon?  Can we soon be able to buy social points?  How about end-game commendations - someone would earn them too over time anyways, right?  How about a 50% commendation boost?  That's fair and not P2W, right? .. right? .. they would have earned them eventually anyways ...

 

All that stuff besides story that added to longevity can now (and soon) be monetized.  EA is trying to burn SWTOR out quick, apparently.  What a cluster fuck.

 

People like me wanted SWTOR to drift away from WoW .. but this is not what we had in mind.  I never saw WoW sell reputation on their cash shop.  Or, to liken Space Combat with fishing (solo side shows) .. I never saw Blizzard sell exlusive fishing poles or high-end bait in their cash-shop either.  It was earned in-game.  Either you got it (questing likely, bait unlock etc), or you sucked and could not - real money never came into place.

 

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  ktanner3

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OP  1/17/13 12:35:21 PM#34
Originally posted by BadOrb
 

Yeah at the present time if you go into that PVP area on Ilum you do get auto flagged on a PVE server. The amount of arguing on the offcial forums about it is mad. We don't even know if they have got rid of that flag yet but I think BioWare actually want people to engage in PVP in these type of areas now and again. Like the Rakghoul event and the HK parts in outlaws den. Yeah that trooper armor looks sick. There is another picture of someone wearing some armor which glows even more than that one too.

My only problem might be that if you do get flagged then isn't it best I carry PVP and PVE armor as there seems to be bosses and PVE content involved with this. I will need expertise or i will be roflstomped. There goes my inventory space.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

I really don't see the issue with this. I've run my Bounty Hunter thru most of the PVE content in this game and he wears PVP gear. I'm currently doing the HK quests and having no issues. I would have preferred that there was no expertise in this game and just had one type of gear, but oh well. 

Of course now on the forums you have the usual carebears pitching up a storm because Bioware added content that requires PVP. I just tell them if they don't like PVP then avoid the PVP planet. 

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  tiefighter25

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1/17/13 1:55:10 PM#35

Thanks for getting my point Karteli, but either the majority of SWTOR's playerbase, or at least it's vocal defenders, have been conditioned that the slippery slope to Pay To Win is the norm and perfectly acceptable.

I guess I'm getting called Chicken Little; I keep saying the sky is falling when it's just a harmless metorite shower. When has a little space rock precipitation ever hurt anyone?

  BadOrb

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1/17/13 3:11:28 PM#36
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by BadOrb
 

Yeah at the present time if you go into that PVP area on Ilum you do get auto flagged on a PVE server. The amount of arguing on the offcial forums about it is mad. We don't even know if they have got rid of that flag yet but I think BioWare actually want people to engage in PVP in these type of areas now and again. Like the Rakghoul event and the HK parts in outlaws den. Yeah that trooper armor looks sick. There is another picture of someone wearing some armor which glows even more than that one too.

My only problem might be that if you do get flagged then isn't it best I carry PVP and PVE armor as there seems to be bosses and PVE content involved with this. I will need expertise or i will be roflstomped. There goes my inventory space.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

I really don't see the issue with this. I've run my Bounty Hunter thru most of the PVE content in this game and he wears PVP gear. I'm currently doing the HK quests and having no issues. I would have preferred that there was no expertise in this game and just had one type of gear, but oh well. 

Of course now on the forums you have the usual carebears pitching up a storm because Bioware added content that requires PVP. I just tell them if they don't like PVP then avoid the PVP planet. 

It isn't a huge concern of mine and by what you said it should be ok to play the event with just the pvp recruit gear. before the 99 tionese crystals people would use the PVP recruit gear to do HM FP anyways to get them on the ladder , so this shouldn't be any different really.  If it turns out to be PVP gear and a PVP event then so be it we had two PVE events so far , so why not. Their reasons for adding level 10 +41 expertise crystals to the game was about getting people to have the same expertise , to narrow the gap and the fact they aren't better than the level 50 +41 crystals. I might even get a few of them when we know more about the event.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

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