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  Bossalinie

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1/14/13 10:16:11 PM#41
Originally posted by VoreDock

know what your talking about before you speek  !

Sorry...hated to do it, but I just couldn't pass on this...

  eyelolled

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1/14/13 10:20:21 PM#42
Originally posted by VoreDock
Originally posted by itgrowls
Actually SOE games as well as SWTOR are what I'd call Freemium where they limit the gameplay so much that you practically have to pay a monthly fee subscription to do anything meaningful. LOTRO had a touch of this as well, altho built into the lotro game was the ability to eventually not need to sub for anything toward the end of the game. F2P is where you don't buy anything, you don't sub to anything and the few limitations are manageable and you're not forced to buy or subscribe to anything to play meaningfully. I've read that TERA will be going the Freemium route. Trust me Freemium is ALWAYS bad unless you are someone who enjoys throwing money away.

this is not true  All SOE games are free to play your way  that  is a game like aion   where all content 100 % of it is free the only items you cant pay for are  cosmetic items and one hour expe boost  no play to win and not blocked off content  the whole game is truly free  SWTOR limits only new space battles and new PVP warzones all  game content is free 100% of it  

LOTRO is Freemium and  you can get thay content without ever subing  

 

know what your talking about before you speek  !

You'll never get a subscription fan to admit anything positive about a F2P title. That would be like finding out that the $.50 a day you've been sending to put starving kids through school, is actually only going to feed fat Waldo for his printing/administration fees.

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

  c0exist

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1/14/13 10:20:27 PM#43
Originally posted by bossalinie
Originally posted by VoreDock

know what your talking about before you speek  !

Sorry...hated to do it, but I just couldn't pass on this...

lol... ahh misspellings are great especially when there is so much irony like in the previous statement.

  Ghavrigg

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1/14/13 10:28:58 PM#44

I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.

That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.

  jtcgs

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1/14/13 10:30:24 PM#45
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason  to  give  sub players more people to play with

 

All had   good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers

So F2P was added  you can still sub and many do

 

F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out

 

Or have we all forgot SWG   (Star Wars Galaxys )

 Those games are not F2P, Tera is CLOSE, but still not F2P. They are freemium, its NOT THE SAME THING.

F2P is a good thing...if its done RIGHT. Just ask Nexon, only EA has made MORE PROFITS in the gaming world than Nexon and they did most of it from FREE 2 PLAY games. Real F2P. Freemium is just lifesupport for failed/failing games.

Proof? Look at the profits and amounts of people playing the better F2P games, At its peak, Runes of Magic brought in near $60,000,000.00 in profits in one year with over 3 million playing it.

3 million players, far more than ANY two freemium games combined, more than likely any 4 freemiums combined....120 million in PROFIT...thats equal to 337k people paying a subscription...now factor in operating costs...and Runes of Magic is a very generic game...imagine if one of these corporations got their heads out of their backsides and took their failed subscription game and actually went F2P, targetting actual F2P players instead of trying to sub trap people while providing really bad cash shops.

It would be like DDO all over again, a fail game suddenly making a ton of money from a LOT of people because the game, even though it failed as a sub was far superior to F2P games out there. I damn near cracked my skull from hitting my forehead so hard when Funcom announced how they were taking Age of Conan "free"...that game could have brought in MILLIONS of players if they werent so damn stupid.

“I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  VoreDock

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OP  1/14/13 10:58:04 PM#46
Originally posted by bossalinie
Originally posted by VoreDock

know what your talking about before you speek  !

Sorry...hated to do it, but I just couldn't pass on this...

LoL ....... Jest is fair play  

  VoreDock

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OP  1/14/13 11:04:12 PM#47
Originally posted by Aviggin

I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.

That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.

your right on the sub games with cash shops  but try a good  F2P game some time like Aion  ,  LOTRO , DDO  or  AoC  you will be surprised

  Ghavrigg

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1/14/13 11:13:25 PM#48
Originally posted by VoreDock
Originally posted by Aviggin

I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.

That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.

your right on the sub games with cash shops  but try a good  F2P game some time like Aion  ,  LOTRO , DDO  or  AoC  you will be surprised

Ehh... I might try DDO again as I haven't played it since it was a sub game. But AoC, LotRO and Aion are all pretty boring to me. But, I'll admit, that has nothing to do with being F2P or cash shop, just the games themselves.

  VoreDock

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OP  1/14/13 11:14:58 PM#49
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason  to  give  sub players more people to play with

 

All had   good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers

So F2P was added  you can still sub and many do

 

F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out

 

Or have we all forgot SWG   (Star Wars Galaxys )

 Those games are not F2P, Tera is CLOSE, but still not F2P. They are freemium, its NOT THE SAME THING.

F2P is a good thing...if its done RIGHT. Just ask Nexon, only EA has made MORE PROFITS in the gaming world than Nexon and they did most of it from FREE 2 PLAY games. Real F2P. Freemium is just lifesupport for failed/failing games.

Proof? Look at the profits and amounts of people playing the better F2P games, At its peak, Runes of Magic brought in near $60,000,000.00 in profits in one year with over 3 million playing it.

3 million players, far more than ANY two freemium games combined, more than likely any 4 freemiums combined....120 million in PROFIT...thats equal to 337k people paying a subscription...now factor in operating costs...and Runes of Magic is a very generic game...imagine if one of these corporations got their heads out of their backsides and took their failed subscription game and actually went F2P, targetting actual F2P players instead of trying to sub trap people while providing really bad cash shops.

It would be like DDO all over again, a fail game suddenly making a ton of money from a LOT of people because the game, even though it failed as a sub was far superior to F2P games out there. I damn near cracked my skull from hitting my forehead so hard when Funcom announced how they were taking Age of Conan "free"...that game could have brought in MILLIONS of players if they werent so damn stupid.

Aion  is not Freemium nether is  SWTOR  but is not full F2P either   

This thred is not to split hairs on what types of  F2P games are  good or bad 

 Free 2 Play is a  category

Freemium  , buy to win  , Fully Free  , ect. are subcategories

  VoreDock

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OP  1/14/13 11:19:47 PM#50
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by VoreDock
Originally posted by Aviggin

I haven't heard or read anyone say that going F2P is a sell-out, however I do believe they're bad. They're low quality games that aren't worthy of a sub, and thus, need to be handed out for free with a cash shop just to scrape by. Paying a sub and getting everything included is much better than being restricted until I throw that money (or more) at them anyway.

That being said, I'm even MORE annoyed with sub games that have a cash shop on the side. That's just greedy.

your right on the sub games with cash shops  but try a good  F2P game some time like Aion  ,  LOTRO , DDO  or  AoC  you will be surprised

Ehh... I might try DDO again as I haven't played it since it was a sub game. But AoC, LotRO and Aion are all pretty boring to me. But, I'll admit, that has nothing to do with being F2P or cash shop, just the games themselves.

thats whats good about F2P  every  type of game is out their from  puzzle to racing  and even shooters and sims  

 

I speak of  Aion  DDO and LoTro  because I like RPG's 

  User Deleted
1/14/13 11:30:37 PM#51
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

 

I've been playing WoW for about five years. That's $900 spent on a subscription for pixels I will never own. I fail to see the difference between spending $15 a month on a sub or $15 a month on microtransactions in a F2P game.

  c0exist

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1/14/13 11:51:45 PM#52
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

 

I've been playing WoW for about five years. That's $900 spent on a subscription for pixels I will never own. I fail to see the difference between spending $15 a month on a sub or $15 a month on microtransactions in a F2P game.

thats a really good point, i had to think for a few minutes on how to respond, so kudos.  the difference to me is that you spent $900 on a quality game and your money goes to future content and overall satisfaction with updates and such.  Would you rather spend $50 a month on a quality gym membership or $10 a month and spend the rest of your money on little microtransactions of sports drinks and energy bars.  without those little perks (drinks, and items for your characters) its still a crappy gym (f2p game) eventhough the same amount of money is spent. 

  Shadlor

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1/14/13 11:53:32 PM#53

Okay  Taking  you comment of Lotro in example. 

sya the free to play player Bought Rise of Isenguard $35 but has unlocked everything else. for free. when the  exspaion  enters the  lotro store & it will. how many characters whould have , assuming he  never  bought a character  slot , he whould  have 3 1 his main , if he  using an alt  , he has 1 open . plays  through all the  content he  has  opened in the  game , Through MM alone he can make over 6k TP ,  buying the new exspansion pack. & not spending money on the  title.  i do not  consider lotor or DDO F2P , i consider them as truely free.  unlike the  wanna be pretenders that follow they're path. None have done it right or will. i peronsally bought MotU for DDO , but i choose to  spend that $50 i wasn't forced to. i wanted my druid i  payed for it. I unlocked almost all my other  content over the 4 years its been free.

  VoreDock

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OP  1/15/13 5:13:09 AM#54
Originally posted by Shadlor

Okay  Taking  you comment of Lotro in example. 

sya the free to play player Bought Rise of Isenguard $35 but has unlocked everything else. for free. when the  exspaion  enters the  lotro store & it will. how many characters whould have , assuming he  never  bought a character  slot , he whould  have 3 1 his main , if he  using an alt  , he has 1 open . plays  through all the  content he  has  opened in the  game , Through MM alone he can make over 6k TP ,  buying the new exspansion pack. & not spending money on the  title.  i do not  consider lotor or DDO F2P , i consider them as truely free.  unlike the  wanna be pretenders that follow they're path. None have done it right or will. i peronsally bought MotU for DDO , but i choose to  spend that $50 i wasn't forced to. i wanted my druid i  payed for it. I unlocked almost all my other  content over the 4 years its been free.

you should try Aion and it's fullly free F2P 

  Loktofeit

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1/15/13 5:28:38 AM#55
Originally posted by c0exist
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

I've been playing WoW for about five years. That's $900 spent on a subscription for pixels I will never own. I fail to see the difference between spending $15 a month on a sub or $15 a month on microtransactions in a F2P game.

thats a really good point, i had to think for a few minutes on how to respond, so kudos.  the difference to me is that you spent $900 on a quality game and your money goes to future content and overall satisfaction with updates and such.  Would you rather spend $50 a month on a quality gym membership or $10 a month and spend the rest of your money on little microtransactions of sports drinks and energy bars.  without those little perks (drinks, and items for your characters) its still a crappy gym (f2p game) eventhough the same amount of money is spent. 

"on a higher quality game"

Assumption with no basis. There is no gaurantee the subscription game is going to be of higher quality. If this was five years ago, I'd probably agree with you, but we've gone through four years of crappy subscription games, each one of them struggling to stay alive. Meanwhile, the F2P games have provided more choices, more stable releases, more regular ingame events and more diversity than almost everything these blockbuster AAA subscription titles have been able to bring to the table.

 

"and your money goes to future content and overall satisfaction with update"

Then why did they charge you for expansions? They didn't hire new people to work on the expansions. They took that same dev staff that you were paying the 15 a month for, and paid them with your money to make content to sell back to you. I know. That one's a hard pill to swallow, and the reply to it is absurd "That's ok because it's a big update with zones and new content!"

Cognitive Bias 1 Gamer 0

 

The gym comparison is just ridiculous and not worth arguing, as you are simply making up whatever attributes will best fit your assumptions in order to craft an analogy that works for you. 

 

  spizz

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1/15/13 6:46:48 AM#56
Originally posted by krevra
Haters gonna hate on f2p. State your opionions all you want. All im saying is thar was at ime when alot of f2p games where just grinders and extremly generic but more and more quality games are becoming f2p or going out as f2p. F2P is here to stay and its a quality model. We are currently in a evolution in pc gaming where f2p no longer means generic and low quality. And if you cant accept that then you are simlply blinding yourself to whats going on. Companies dont move to f2p model to make less money, its to attract a larger audiance and increase revenue. P2P isnt going away anytime soon but less and less games will adopt that model and if they do like we have already seen more then enough times as proof, they will go f2p in the end. F2P is just a more attractive model. The whole only shit games go f2p is pretty naive, just thought i would throw that out thar since its based on the vocal minority.

 

Which great quality games are actually real F2P games, developed around a cash shop  ? 

  Cod_Eye

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1/15/13 6:57:03 AM#57
How far will the f2p go though, and when will players turn around and say enough is enough? SWtoR already had to back down on the charging of extra hotbar.  Do players really want to be paying for extra components to a game?  Because if players are willing to then companies will push the limits.
  Loktofeit

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1/15/13 6:58:46 AM#58
Originally posted by spizz
Originally posted by krevra
Haters gonna hate on f2p. State your opionions all you want. All im saying is thar was at ime when alot of f2p games where just grinders and extremly generic but more and more quality games are becoming f2p or going out as f2p. F2P is here to stay and its a quality model. We are currently in a evolution in pc gaming where f2p no longer means generic and low quality. And if you cant accept that then you are simlply blinding yourself to whats going on. Companies dont move to f2p model to make less money, its to attract a larger audiance and increase revenue. P2P isnt going away anytime soon but less and less games will adopt that model and if they do like we have already seen more then enough times as proof, they will go f2p in the end. F2P is just a more attractive model. The whole only shit games go f2p is pretty naive, just thought i would throw that out thar since its based on the vocal minority.

Which great quality games are actually real F2P games, developed around a cash shop  ? 

 

  • Vindictus
  • Perfect World International
  • Forsaken World
  • Eden Eternal
  • C9
  • Shaiya
  • Wizard 101
  • Mabinogi

Now, your turn. Tell me all about how they don't count because they're asian or because 'the graphics suck' or because they are kids games.

 

  spizz

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1/15/13 7:21:38 AM#59
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by spizz
Originally posted by krevra
Haters gonna hate on f2p. State your opionions all you want. All im saying is thar was at ime when alot of f2p games where just grinders and extremly generic but more and more quality games are becoming f2p or going out as f2p. F2P is here to stay and its a quality model. We are currently in a evolution in pc gaming where f2p no longer means generic and low quality. And if you cant accept that then you are simlply blinding yourself to whats going on. Companies dont move to f2p model to make less money, its to attract a larger audiance and increase revenue. P2P isnt going away anytime soon but less and less games will adopt that model and if they do like we have already seen more then enough times as proof, they will go f2p in the end. F2P is just a more attractive model. The whole only shit games go f2p is pretty naive, just thought i would throw that out thar since its based on the vocal minority.

Which great quality games are actually real F2P games, developed around a cash shop  ? 

 

  • Vindictus
  • Perfect World International
  • Forsaken World
  • Eden Eternal
  • C9
  • Shaiya
  • Wizard 101
  • Mabinogi

Now, your turn. Tell me all about how they don't count because they're asian or because 'the graphics suck' or because they are kids games.

 

 

Well, its just a confirmation what I already assumed.

  Superman0X

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Joined: 3/28/06
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1/15/13 7:22:08 AM#60
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
How far will the f2p go though, and when will players turn around and say enough is enough? SWtoR already had to back down on the charging of extra hotbar.  Do players really want to be paying for extra components to a game?  Because if players are willing to then companies will push the limits.

 

Do you want to know how F2P is going to work out? Look at a similar product that has already gone through this whole cycle.... Email. How did free work for this product, and where is it now? That is your answer.

 

F2P isnt new. It is a development of the market that happens for all products. What is 'relatively' new is the distribution medium, the internet. This allows for as close to free as possible with software products. Physical products have both a (significant) per unit cost, as well as requirements in the distribution medium.... but they still give away products for free (or lower than cost) in order to make money back in the long term. This is often referrred too as the razorblade model.

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