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  krevra

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Joined: 1/13/13
Posts: 19

1/14/13 12:56:24 PM#21
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

 

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

 

 

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

That last part, nice fallacy thar. How about less assumptions that dont help your arguement and more facts.

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1/14/13 12:57:02 PM#22
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason  to  give  sub players more people to play with

 

All had   good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers

So F2P was added  you can still sub and many do

 

F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out

 

Or have we all forgot SWG   (Star Wars Galaxys )

Actually SOE games as well as SWTOR are what I'd call Freemium where they limit the gameplay so much that you practically have to pay a monthly fee subscription to do anything meaningful. LOTRO had a touch of this as well, altho built into the lotro game was the ability to eventually not need to sub for anything toward the end of the game.

F2P is where you don't buy anything, you don't sub to anything and the few limitations are manageable and you're not forced to buy or subscribe to anything to play meaningfully.

I've read that TERA will be going the Freemium route.

Trust me Freemium is ALWAYS bad unless you are someone who enjoys throwing money away.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11360

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

1/14/13 1:04:46 PM#23
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

The only difference is that you see grinding for pixels to be 'earning' something and others don't. Others are playing a game for other reasons. You're also working on the false assumption that they are spending money to buy past content rather than to enhance the content they play or enjoy. 

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

Again, you justify how you spent your resources (time) the way you wanted to but you insult others for how they spend their resources (money). You don't see the hypocrisy there?

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

I didn't say I took anything as an insult, but it's rather alarming that you don't see calling people 'stupid' for playing games a different way than you an  insult. That you feel others are "guilty" of playing a different way than you also is a rather disenchanting sign. 

In closing, I never said you were wrong for playing the way you do or that anyone else's playstyle is right. My post was solely to point out that other playstyles exist. You may not find that fun or entertaining personally, but to insult them for how they spend their leisure resources seems a little hypocritical, especially when in the same post you have a big banner showing off how you 'earned' achievements through endless hours of playing video games.

 

  Cod_Eye

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/04/09
Posts: 996

1/14/13 1:07:35 PM#24
Originally posted by krevra
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

 

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

 

 

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

That last part, nice fallacy thar. How about less assumptions that dont help your arguement and more facts.

Your statement added nothing to the debate, so how about emphasising how it is an improper argument? and my assumption was?


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  Cod_Eye

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/04/09
Posts: 996

1/14/13 1:21:10 PM#25
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

The only difference is that you see grinding for pixels to be 'earning' something and others don't. Others are playing a game for other reasons. You're also working on the false assumption that they are spending money to buy past content rather than to enhance the content they play or enjoy. 

Who said I grinded?

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

Again, you justify how you spent your resources (time) the way you wanted to but you insult others for how they spend their resources (money). You don't see the hypocrisy there?

No not really.  It was my free / leasure time. Don't see the point of spending money on a game to play in your free time and then spend more money to complete it.

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

I didn't say I took anything as an insult, but it's rather alarming that you don't see calling people 'stupid' for playing games a different way than you an  insult. That you feel others are "guilty" of playing a different way than you also is a rather disenchanting sign. 

If people feel insulted because I think they are stupid because they spend insane amount of money on ingame items that they will never own, then they need to grow a thick skin.  My opinion and I shared that opinion, whether people agree with me is neither here nor there, people will do what they want to do with their money, at the end of the day its their money they can do as they please.

In closing, I never said you were wrong for playing the way you do or that anyone else's playstyle is right. My post was solely to point out that other playstyles exist. You may not find that fun or entertaining personally, but to insult them for how they spend their leisure resources seems a little hypocritical, especially when in the same post you have a big banner showing off how you 'earned' achievements through endless hours of playing video games.

 Already explained that, and it wasnt endless hours.

 


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  Loktofeit

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11360

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

1/14/13 1:35:46 PM#26
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

The only difference is that you see grinding for pixels to be 'earning' something and others don't. Others are playing a game for other reasons. You're also working on the false assumption that they are spending money to buy past content rather than to enhance the content they play or enjoy. 

Who said I grinded?

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

Again, you justify how you spent your resources (time) the way you wanted to but you insult others for how they spend their resources (money). You don't see the hypocrisy there?

No not really.  It was my free / leasure time. Don't see the point of spending money on a game to play in your free time and then spend more money to complete it.

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

I didn't say I took anything as an insult, but it's rather alarming that you don't see calling people 'stupid' for playing games a different way than you an  insult. That you feel others are "guilty" of playing a different way than you also is a rather disenchanting sign. 

If people feel insulted because I think they are stupid because they spend insane amount of money on ingame items that they will never own, then they need to grow a thick skin.  My opinion and I shared that opinion, whether people agree with me is neither here nor there, people will do what they want to do with their money, at the end of the day its their money they can do as they please.

In closing, I never said you were wrong for playing the way you do or that anyone else's playstyle is right. My post was solely to point out that other playstyles exist. You may not find that fun or entertaining personally, but to insult them for how they spend their leisure resources seems a little hypocritical, especially when in the same post you have a big banner showing off how you 'earned' achievements through endless hours of playing video games.

 Already explained that, and it wasnt endless hours.

Your replies said more about you than I could have without getting modded. Thank you.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11360

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

1/14/13 1:43:32 PM#27
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by krevra
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Cod_Eye
If they created quality game in the first place most of these games wouldn't need to go f2p,  most f2p games are just a cash grab.  Milking players because players are to stupid and will pay any amount of money to be ahead, paying out hundreds of bucks for pixels you never will own is something I can never understand, or maybe I'm the stupid one to understand why those players do so.

Not stupid, but rather going by a very biased view. You have in your sig an FFXIV banner that lists your accomplishments. If you are like most people, the reason you have that there is because you are proud of it or want to show it off. It's still pixels, and while your argument is that you 'earned' them, the view of other might be that you wasted a ridiculous amount of time collecting pixels and virtual badges. See, you can rationalize that one is more important, better, or superior to the other, but in reality it's all a matter of what you value and what you enjoy.

It's just very hypocritical to insult someone based on how they spend their leisure resources when you are proudly showing off how you spend yours.

Big difference between playing a game and earning acheivements along the way and spend 50/100/200 bucks or whatever some players pay to have items within 5 minutes of playing a game, buying items isnt really an acheivement and they in most part probably didn't get any entertainment value from the purchase either.

As for my signature, its there because it represents my character not for the lvls I gained, that part of the art came with it.  But seem as you brought it up, I acheived the lvls through time playing the game which was entertainment value for my time playing, not because I have a bigger wallet than the next person.

If you felt I insulted you then you took it personally, and probably one of the guilty ones who has spent more money on f2p games than you would in a subscription model, whether you did or not is none of my business, though my opinion on the subject is more than likely very opposite of yours from reading into your response.  I value money and I enjoy gaming.

That last part, nice fallacy thar. How about less assumptions that dont help your arguement and more facts.

Your statement added nothing to the debate, so how about emphasising how it is an improper argument? and my assumption was?

Your assumptions

  • - time is free
  • - money isn't
  • - people only buy things to bypass content
  • - people buy rewards to avoid trying to achieve them
  • - people pay for items in a game because they are stupid
  • - paying monthly for a virtual game is different from paying for individual content in a virtual game
  • - f2p is only for low quality games
  • - valuing money is more important than valuing time
  • - the value of a virtual item is dependent on your perception of what the value should be

 

Actually, there's nothing really that you wrote that wasn't an assumption other than your smatterings of insults directed at those who choose to play games differently than you.

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OP  1/14/13 9:46:04 PM#28
Originally posted by krevra
Haters gonna hate on f2p. State your opionions all you want. All im saying is thar was at ime when alot of f2p games where just grinders and extremly generic but more and more quality games are becoming f2p or going out as f2p. F2P is here to stay and its a quality model. We are currently in a evolution in pc gaming where f2p no longer means generic and low quality. And if you cant accept that then you are simlply blinding yourself to whats going on. Companies dont move to f2p model to make less money, its to attract a larger audiance and increase revenue. P2P isnt going away anytime soon but less and less games will adopt that model and if they do like we have already seen more then enough times as proof, they will go f2p in the end. F2P is just a more attractive model. The whole only shit games go f2p is pretty naive, just thought i would throw that out thar since its based on the vocal minority.

you are Right on  Krevra if the haters can't see that then its their loss 

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OP  1/14/13 9:49:42 PM#29
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason

Because they were not designed well enough and not good enough to keep people paying in the long term.

 

They go FTP as a last ditch effort to boost revenue before fading away. They can steal so much more money for so little effort with FTP gimmicks. They make the game a pain to play then sell you shortcuts.

DavisFight you don't know waht your talking about  have you ever even played  a F2P game  ? I think not 

  Destai

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1/14/13 9:50:14 PM#30
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason  to  give  sub players more people to play with

 

All had   good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers

So F2P was added  you can still sub and many do

 

F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out

 

Or have we all forgot SWG   (Star Wars Galaxys )

F2P is horrible. First off, it's a sign the game failed to win consistent customer interest. It creates a free rider problem and often leads to limits that weren't there to begin with. Just take a look at LoTRO - you have to pay for traveling. Look at SWTOR. The developers should not have had the hubris to charge a fee, launched their titles as buy to play and offered some services in a store. 

  c0exist

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1/14/13 9:54:49 PM#31
f2p is nice and all but if the game is good people will shell out the monthly subscription.  f2p is a last resort for some games before they die and for other games its the only way people will evr play it.  Ultimately if a game goes from sub to f2p theyve failed imo.  
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1/14/13 9:58:02 PM#32
I think they should just increase the monthly subscription costs on P2P games to $500 each month, because then the subscribers would be getting a excellent quality game, and no need for a cash shop so it clearly couldn't be pay2win, and they wouldn't have to have any freeloaders plugging up the map.

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

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OP  1/14/13 9:58:24 PM#33
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by VoreDock

 

I am sick of all you people saying free to play is a sell out or a bad

 

Tera , SWTOR , Aion  all for teas games went  F2P for one reason  to  give  sub players more people to play with

 

All had   good numbers but Dev’s can’t justify a games life to publishers on anything less than great numbers

So F2P was added  you can still sub and many do

 

F2P is a good thing after all without it publishers like EA would kill games and even the sub players would be left out

 

Or have we all forgot SWG   (Star Wars Galaxys )

Some f2p title are good, but games like SWTOR are too heavily restricted for the f2p crowd. Aion and Lotro are good examples of friendly f2p titles. Lotro is restricted, but you can earn turbine points in the game...so it isn't too bad.

And, SWG had a good enough population. Besides, It would be f2p now if LA hadn't killed it.

I am not saying every F2P game is good  far from it  some are  flamingly bad  but  F2P is not the kiss of death  and as for SWTOR  if you spend  4.99 us  its 95% unlocked  as for SWG F2P might  bring it back  Dinsey got  LA too 

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1/14/13 9:58:27 PM#34

Men getting mad at how other men spend their money...

Sounds like an episode of Real Housewifes of MMO

  c0exist

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1/14/13 10:02:04 PM#35
Originally posted by bossalinie

Men getting mad at how other men spend their money...

Sounds like an episode of Real Housewifes of MMO

lol thats all we need is more housewife shows to flood our televisions

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OP  1/14/13 10:03:33 PM#36
Originally posted by thinktank001
F2P isn't a concept.   It is a marketing term.  Games with cash shop are based on the idea of paying for advancement.  Players don't purchase items because they want to support the game.  We buy them so our characters can gain an advantage.  
yet another person that knows nothing of waht thay talk of  because they have never played  a F2P game 
  Scottgun

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1/14/13 10:03:33 PM#37

 

F2P is horrible. First off, it's a sign the game failed to win consistent customer interest. It creates a free rider problem and often leads to limits that weren't there to begin with. Just take a look at LoTRO - you have to pay for traveling. Look at SWTOR. The developers should not have had the hubris to charge a fee, launched their titles as buy to play and offered some services in a store. 

Exactly. Even with the strength of the name, Lord of the Rings Online was always a lesser son of greater sires. When it went to F2P, it dropped even lower.

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

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1/14/13 10:03:46 PM#38
Originally posted by c0exist
Originally posted by bossalinie

Men getting mad at how other men spend their money...

Sounds like an episode of Real Housewifes of MMO

lol thats all we need is more housewife shows to flood our televisions

It's even worse now that it's starting to leak into our interwebz...

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OP  1/14/13 10:12:43 PM#39
Originally posted by itgrowls
Actually SOE games as well as SWTOR are what I'd call Freemium where they limit the gameplay so much that you practically have to pay a monthly fee subscription to do anything meaningful. LOTRO had a touch of this as well, altho built into the lotro game was the ability to eventually not need to sub for anything toward the end of the game. F2P is where you don't buy anything, you don't sub to anything and the few limitations are manageable and you're not forced to buy or subscribe to anything to play meaningfully. I've read that TERA will be going the Freemium route. Trust me Freemium is ALWAYS bad unless you are someone who enjoys throwing money away.

this is not true  All SOE games are free to play your way  that  is a game like aion   where all content 100 % of it is free the only items you cant pay for are  cosmetic items and one hour expe boost  no play to win and not blocked off content  the whole game is truly free  SWTOR limits only new space battles and new PVP warzones all  game content is free 100% of it  

LOTRO is Freemium and  you can get thay content without ever subing  

 

know what your talking about before you speek  !

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1/14/13 10:14:05 PM#40
Originally posted by VoreDock
Originally posted by thinktank001
F2P isn't a concept.   It is a marketing term.  Games with cash shop are based on the idea of paying for advancement.  Players don't purchase items because they want to support the game.  We buy them so our characters can gain an advantage.  
yet another person that knows nothing of waht thay talk of  because they have never played  a F2P game 

thinktank is absolutely correct, an inferior game that the devs know no one will pay for they make it f2p open up a cash shop players spend money on useless things to improve their character or simply make it look unique.  instead of a small amount of subs they have an abundance of free gamers and even if 1/3 of those gamers buy something from the shop they still profit.  Its a very good mmo business model.  but in my experience the sub games have more quality. 

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