Originally posted by SwampRob

Originally posted by GreenWidow

This all sounded amazing and then I read open world pvp...

Why an mmo company thinks creating an environment with a gankfest will be successful amazes me.

If they offer a non pvp server I'll play this game, if not, I'll watch it last a few months before going free to play with all the other dumbass games that did this same mistake.

This.

You can tell me the game will rain gold from the sky, but if in a year of playing the game I'm subjected to a single occurrence of pvp I didn't consent to, I'm gone.   Instantly and forever.

I played EVE for 2 months.   I got jumped ONE TIME and didn't even die, I managed to escape.   I've never played the game since; I even let the last month of sub time I had expire.

Forced PVP is just a horrible, horrible idea IMO.   

Okay. You want the game to play itself for you to that extent, and to that extent you do not want a sandbox game. It is good for you to recognize your preferences and make decisions based on your values.

Good thing Pathfinder is upfront about it, right?

Originally posted by Dakcenturi

The main reason they asked for what they did is they didn't think it would be meaningful to ask for less and quntify how it effects the project.

With the $1Mill target they can meaningfully say they will advance the timeline. From Ryan Dancey:

 

 

Without the Kickstarter, our plan is to begin Early Enrollment in early 2015, and Release in early 2017.

With the Kickstarter at $1 million, we plan to begin Early Enrollment in the summer of 2014, and Release in early 2016.

What's funny about that is when the game was originally announced, they were talking about how they had these magical methods for developing the game very quickly and getting it out there.  Now they are talking about 2015-2017?  What a joke.  Get back to me in four years, I guess.

From what I can see now, they are going to have to develop the game around the myriad rewards they created for the kickstarter levels.

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Dakcenturi

The main reason they asked for what they did is they didn't think it would be meaningful to ask for less and quntify how it effects the project.

With the $1Mill target they can meaningfully say they will advance the timeline. From Ryan Dancey:

 

 

Without the Kickstarter, our plan is to begin Early Enrollment in early 2015, and Release in early 2017.

With the Kickstarter at $1 million, we plan to begin Early Enrollment in the summer of 2014, and Release in early 2016.

What's funny about that is when the game was originally announced, they were talking about how they had these magical methods for developing the game very quickly and getting it out there.  Now they are talking about 2015-2017?  What a joke.  Get back to me in four years, I guess.

From what I can see now, they are going to have to develop the game around the myriad rewards they created for the kickstarter levels.

2-4 years to me is a pretty quick development for an MMO from the ground up. Wow took 5 years, SWG took 3 years (from the announcement) and those were both done by good sized companies that already had some titles under their belt. (Ie they already had the staff and teams. While GW has some great people they still need to get the great staff and teams and continue work. So I still think that is a pretty quick development.

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Dakcenturi

The main reason they asked for what they did is they didn't think it would be meaningful to ask for less and quntify how it effects the project.

With the $1Mill target they can meaningfully say they will advance the timeline. From Ryan Dancey:

 

Without the Kickstarter, our plan is to begin Early Enrollment in early 2015, and Release in early 2017.

With the Kickstarter at $1 million, we plan to begin Early Enrollment in the summer of 2014, and Release in early 2016.

What's funny about that is when the game was originally announced, they were talking about how they had these magical methods for developing the game very quickly and getting it out there.  Now they are talking about 2015-2017?  What a joke.  Get back to me in four years, I guess.

From what I can see now, they are going to have to develop the game around the myriad rewards they created for the kickstarter levels.

They do at a certain development team size due to the design and release strategy which is dependent on investment raised and - subsequently this kickstarter.

Originally posted by BlueMountain

Originally posted by SwampRob

Originally posted by GreenWidow

This all sounded amazing and then I read open world pvp...

Why an mmo company thinks creating an environment with a gankfest will be successful amazes me.

If they offer a non pvp server I'll play this game, if not, I'll watch it last a few months before going free to play with all the other dumbass games that did this same mistake.

This.

You can tell me the game will rain gold from the sky, but if in a year of playing the game I'm subjected to a single occurrence of pvp I didn't consent to, I'm gone.   Instantly and forever.

I played EVE for 2 months.   I got jumped ONE TIME and didn't even die, I managed to escape.   I've never played the game since; I even let the last month of sub time I had expire.

Forced PVP is just a horrible, horrible idea IMO.   

Okay. You want the game to play itself for you to that extent, and to that extent you do not want a sandbox game. It is good for you to recognize your preferences and make decisions based on your values.

Good thing Pathfinder is upfront about it, right?

Agreed.   I didn't mean to bash the game for it's open world pvp, my apologies if that's how it seemed.   Rather, I lament that I won't experience the game simply because it has that kind of pvp.

Originally posted by SwampRob

Originally posted by GreenWidow

This all sounded amazing and then I read open world pvp...

Why an mmo company thinks creating an environment with a gankfest will be successful amazes me.

If they offer a non pvp server I'll play this game, if not, I'll watch it last a few months before going free to play with all the other dumbass games that did this same mistake.

This.

You can tell me the game will rain gold from the sky, but if in a year of playing the game I'm subjected to a single occurrence of pvp I didn't consent to, I'm gone.   Instantly and forever.

I played EVE for 2 months.   I got jumped ONE TIME and didn't even die, I managed to escape.   I've never played the game since; I even let the last month of sub time I had expire.

Forced PVP is just a horrible, horrible idea IMO.   

Wow. You take carebearism into a whole new level. So you ALMOST got killed by another player in a game?

Well it's your choice, of course. This game is not for you so you can move on.

I seriously hate these people who donate to the 1 million kickstarter.

They get caught up by the Pathfinder fanboys that hype up the game to push their agenda so that they can hit kickstarter 1 mill.

Seriously don't give them the money guys.

Tell them to come back do a kickstarter again when they are at 70% completion.

Show us some quality gameplay then we support them.

They already got the Kickstarter Demo money and the investor money, they don't really need the 1 million now. 

FFS the game not even 10% complete and they already going for kickstarter asking for a million.

Gamers should learn to stop being easily emotional blackmail by all the sweet talks.

Originally posted by adam_nox
I hate offline skill training.  It's just a way for devs to string players along for months rather than let them progress at their own pace.  I'm all for some limits on progression, but if it's as slow as eve where it can take several months to get to max potential, then this game can suck it.

Because maxing out in a month is great.

Originally posted by BlackUhuru
Did you see all the swag you get for your pledge? It's worth more then the pledge itself!

I say money well spent !!!

Well that is of course assuming the game will ever launch :)

Originally posted by xmenty

They already got the Kickstarter Demo money and the investor money, they don't really need the 1 million now. 

Gamers should learn to stop being easily emotional blackmail by all the sweet talks.

-snipping- the toxic comments (see: on fandom and toxic environments )

The Budget for releasing Pathfinder Online is well South of 10m$, compare that to the 100m$ budgets: I don't they they are being greedy. I think if VC investment climate had been better they might have got more out of that for a larger dev team (20ppl). But that said, KS is a great platform for rasing cash from potential segment of market you are targetting, gaining marketing and early buy-in which boosts confidence there is a market. All good things.

The ultimate analysis is to see if KS part-funded or otherwise mmorpgs are successful for the people that play and pay them: We find this out in next few years: So imo it's too early to say either way: Wait and see.

Current KS is to increase headcount from 11-20 which speeds up dev and positve cash flow. Think it's a great plan and does lower risk not having a massive budget which would compromise the design vision.

To explain my support: There's not much else that really interests or looks like a longevity mmorpg, except EVE which intend to get going in a few months, circumstances dependent.

Originally posted by xmenty

I seriously hate these people who donate to the 1 million kickstarter.

They get caught up by the Pathfinder fanboys that hype up the game to push their agenda so that they can hit kickstarter 1 mill.

 

Seriously don't give them the money guys.

Tell them to come back do a kickstarter again when they are at 70% completion.

Show us some quality gameplay then we support them.

They already got the Kickstarter Demo money and the investor money, they don't really need the 1 million now. 

FFS the game not even 10% complete and they already going for kickstarter asking for a million.

Gamers should learn to stop being easily emotional blackmail by all the sweet talks.

 

How is it a "Kickstarter" if they do it when the game is already 70% complete?  *confused*

Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Originally posted by xmenty

I seriously hate these people who donate to the 1 million kickstarter.

They get caught up by the Pathfinder fanboys that hype up the game to push their agenda so that they can hit kickstarter 1 mill.

 

Seriously don't give them the money guys.

Tell them to come back do a kickstarter again when they are at 70% completion.

Show us some quality gameplay then we support them.

They already got the Kickstarter Demo money and the investor money, they don't really need the 1 million now. 

FFS the game not even 10% complete and they already going for kickstarter asking for a million.

Gamers should learn to stop being easily emotional blackmail by all the sweet talks.

 

How is it a "Kickstarter" if they do it when the game is already 70% complete?  *confused*

Not sure where you got the impression that the game is 70% complete. They only just selected the client middleware.

~edit~ Oh! Sorry: took your point out of context.

Originally posted by WonderweissM
I seriously doubt it will reach 1mil in 3 days though.

I didn't think it would make its' goal either until the crowdforger custom $10k pledge appeared with only a couple of days left.  No listed rewards and some made-up description of how they were contacted by several backers who wanted to negotiate their own special terms in return for pledges of $10k or more.  If there is a likelihood of failure on the last day, this is where GW will insert their shill backers to ensure the project succeeds and they don't lose the chunk of money legitimately earned.  I'm not saying GW will make the pledges themselves but that the people who have already agreed to finance the game will.  I don't think there's anything technically wrong with this but a project should fail or succeed based on its' own merits.