Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by AzurePrower
Looks like some one is trying to contend with Wii U.

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I don't think anyone is struggling to contend with the Wii U, aside from the people who bought one.

 

Hey my wife loves ours. .and if I want her love. . she needed to play the new Mario despite the cost.!  I have to let her kick my arse at Nintendo Land stuff as well.  But then I can spend what I want on my PC. . . a small price to play. . plus I Netflix better on the Wii.

ehehm. .  

It seems like an android tablet. . . with most of the same connections.  You can also hook a wireless controller up to your android tablet.  The streaming games from the PC is the only part that sets it apart but if I am close enough to stream through wireless. . assuming that is how it works. . then I would just play on my PC. . plus most games I play require a keyboard.

Originally posted by Khrymson

 

A 5" screen ~ no thanks!   I'll continue playing games on my highly over-powered PC with a 46" screen...lol

To be fair, I don't think they're aiming this towards someone sitting at home with their gaming computer.

I can't exactly pick up my oversized tower and 46" TV to go with me on a business trip and good gaming laptops are insanely expensive. I'd consider something like this if it were priced right.

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Originally posted by TheFirst109

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Originally posted by lizardbones  

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Originally posted by AzurePrower Looks like some one is trying to contend with Wii U.

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I don't think anyone is struggling to contend with the Wii U, aside from the people who bought one.  

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I think someone needs some friends then lol...Nintendoland is the most fun I've had in a video game in a long time, but I have people over constantly so I guess if you don't have that the console loses some of its appeal.

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Originally posted by BelegStrongbow

Looks like they are competing with Razer  

 

http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona

 

http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade

 

EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

Nvidia Shield will probably get you about double the performance of either of those, and for half the price tag.

It's not that Nvidia Shield is going to be dirt cheap or a great value.  It's that Razer likes to charge super high-end price tags for not very good internal hardware in a slick form factor.  Remember the $2800 Razer Blade "gaming laptop" that could barely outperform integrated graphics?

Originally posted by tkoreaper
Don't get this trash and don't be fooled. You can do this with most tablet devices already. Get yourself a Nexus 10 and a PS2 controller and you're all set... That is, if you need something like this. The Nexus 10 packs more power and a higher resolution for an extremely resonable price.

You're wildly wrong.  Both the Google Nexus 10 and Nvidia Tegra 4 use identical Cortex A15 cores.  But the Nexus 10 has two of them, while the Tegra 4 has four of them.

On the GPU side, the Google Nexus 10 uses ARM Mali T604 graphics.  The Tegra 4 graphics probably offer several times the performance of that, as that's ARM's bottom of the line in their new generation.  Oh, and that's only several times the performance in programs that both can run.  Tegra 4 supports DirectX 11 and OpenGL 4.0.  While I didn't find anywhere that Nvidia explicitly stated the feature level of DirectX, since they support the full OpenGL 4, it's probably the full DirectX 11.  Meanwhile, ARM Mali graphics don't support anything past DirectX 11 feature level 9_3 (basically DirectX 9.0c) and OpenGL ES 3.0.

Originally posted by BelegStrongbow

Looks like they are competing with Razer  

 

http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona

 

http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade

 

EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

Software like Kainy and Companies like Onlive and Gaikai have opened a pandora's boxs of sorts and the fruits of that are starting to roll out. Expect the bigger and better streaming gaming devices towards the end of the year. 

This is just the tip of the iceberg :) Much more is coming your way lol. 

Also, wait until you see some of the new consoles. Touchscreen Tablets have made a pretty big impact there. The limitations many controllers had in comparison to PC Mouse and Keyboard is changing. 

Imagine a 20 Button controller that fits in your hands comfortably and easily with analog sticks and triggers to boot :) 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by BelegStrongbow

Looks like they are competing with Razer  

 

http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona

 

http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade

 

EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

And how exactly do they propose to make a higher end "console" for streaming games over the Internet when the crippling factors are latency and bandwidth, neither of which depend on the console?

I don't know how Project Shield will compare to what we'll see in the next several months, but in raw performance for rendering games locally, it's massively ahead of anything else on the market today.  And that's a big deal.

Speaking of other things coming in the next several months, AMD has again confirmed that there will be Temash quad cores (contrary to rumors that it would be dual-core only), and now also that Temash is coming in the first half of this year.  Rumors say AMD will launch it at CeBIT in March.

I'm positive towards this project overall. I think it has a great concept. Only a couple of things I don't prefer:

1.) The streaming tech is only available when the desktop uses a nVidia card. This sucks as I just bought my HD6870 less than a year ago. Also I'm not sure if the Steambox will sport a nVidia card. I was also anticipating that piece of tech.

2.) No problem with the clamshell design, but it seems to flip to up to 90 degrees only. I'm not comfortable with that viewing angle, considering the way I hold my controller. I wish it flips up to 180.

We got a Wii U for our 5 year old for Christmas. I have to say that I'm moderately impressed with the small screen on the controller: Yes, it's a little bit small, but honestly, with it connected to the controller, I wouldn't want it to be any larger.

The main draw of the Wii U is that the display on the controller can act independantly from the TV Screen - letting you do multiplayer without the split screen, or display secondary information (maps, special abilities, etc) on the touch screen, or use the touch screen as an augmented reality device in conjunction with the TV screen.

You won't get any of that with PC streaming. And for Android gaming it will be a small screen - a 7" tablet has more real estate (and could potentially have similar processing capability, and the ability to use a controller via Bluetooth). So yeah, I don't see this as really taking off.

The Wii U also uses a dedicated WiFi-N channel for feeding the audio/visuals to the controller, and it is not optimized for distance, but for throughput - it barely will work a room away. If the connection is unstable, the game will pause and it will warn you.

Apple does have Airplay that can mirror A/V over a home network (and has let iOS gamers play on a TV for a while now with an AppleTV 2+ or Airport Express) - it can support full HD, but it's proprietary, and relies on Intel QuickSync on the PC (and probably something proprietary but similar on their ARM products). If the connection is unstable, or bandwidth-starved (as WiFi, especially at HD streaming, can get), then you just get drop outs and lag/pauses - which sucks for gaming terribly.

So, trying to do this over a typical home network... if they are using proprietary nVidia compression (much like Apple uses QuickSync - and based on the requirement of an nVidia card I am guessing they are GPU accelerating this on the computer end) - yeah, you could probably make it work over a typical strong WiFi G connection, but a weak G or any B connection would still be out of the question for trying to stream 720p.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by BelegStrongbow

Looks like they are competing with Razer  

 

http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona

 

http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade

 

EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

And how exactly do they propose to make a higher end "console" for streaming games over the Internet when the crippling factors are latency and bandwidth, neither of which depend on the console?

I don't know how Project Shield will compare to what we'll see in the next several months, but in raw performance for rendering games locally, it's massively ahead of anything else on the market today.  And that's a big deal.

Speaking of other things coming in the next several months, AMD has again confirmed that there will be Temash quad cores (contrary to rumors that it would be dual-core only), and now also that Temash is coming in the first half of this year.  Rumors say AMD will launch it at CeBIT in March.

I know, I know, you don't want to see streaming gaming take hold. Problem is, it's coming wether you want it to or not lol. 

In any case higher end systems includes things like better build quality, larger screens, etc. 

And as far as the Shield being the best on the market right now as far as raw performance and processing power)... lol it's going to be competing with things like the Fiona. Sure, fiona and others aren't available yet, but neither is Shield. 

It's low end junk lol. It's neat, but it's more of a novelty thing you could give to your 6 year old. 

Fiona's i7 > Shields Tegra 4 lol...

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Originally posted by Ridelynn
We got a Wii U for our 5 year old for Christmas. I have to say that I'm moderately impressed with the small screen on the controller: Yes, it's a little bit small, but honestly, with it connected to the controller, I wouldn't want it to be any larger.

The main draw of the Wii U is that the display on the controller can act independantly from the TV Screen - letting you do multiplayer without the split screen, or display secondary information (maps, special abilities, etc) on the touch screen, or use the touch screen as an augmented reality device in conjunction with the TV screen.

You won't get any of that with PC streaming. And for Android gaming it will be a small screen - a 7" tablet has more real estate (and could potentially have similar processing capability, and the ability to use a controller via Bluetooth). So yeah, I don't see this as really taking off.

The Wii U also uses a dedicated WiFi-N channel for feeding the audio/visuals to the controller, and it is not optimized for distance, but for throughput - it barely will work a room away. If the connection is unstable, the game will pause and it will warn you.

Apple does have Airplay that can mirror A/V over a home network (and has let iOS gamers play on a TV for a while now with an AppleTV 2+ or Airport Express) - it can support full HD, but it's proprietary, and relies on Intel QuickSync on the PC (and probably something proprietary but similar on their ARM products). If the connection is unstable, or bandwidth-starved (as WiFi, especially at HD streaming, can get), then you just get drop outs and lag/pauses - which sucks for gaming terribly.

So, trying to do this over a typical home network... if they are using proprietary nVidia compression (much like Apple uses QuickSync - and based on the requirement of an nVidia card I am guessing they are GPU accelerating this on the computer end) - yeah, you could probably make it work over a typical strong WiFi G connection, but a weak G or any B connection would still be out of the question for trying to stream 720p.

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by Quizzical

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by BelegStrongbow Looks like they are competing with Razer     http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona   http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade   EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

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Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

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And how exactly do they propose to make a higher end "console" for streaming games over the Internet when the crippling factors are latency and bandwidth, neither of which depend on the console? I don't know how Project Shield will compare to what we'll see in the next several months, but in raw performance for rendering games locally, it's massively ahead of anything else on the market today.  And that's a big deal. Speaking of other things coming in the next several months, AMD has again confirmed that there will be Temash quad cores (contrary to rumors that it would be dual-core only), and now also that Temash is coming in the first half of this year.  Rumors say AMD will launch it at CeBIT in March.

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I know, I know, you don't want to see streaming gaming take hold. Problem is, it's coming wether you want it to or not lol. 

In any case higher end systems includes things like better build quality, larger screens, etc. 

 

And as far as the Shield being the best on the market right now as far as raw performance and processing power)... lol it's going to be competing with things like the Fiona. Sure, fiona and others aren't available yet, but neither is Shield. 

It's low end junk lol. It's neat, but it's more of a novelty thing you could give to your 6 year old. 

Fiona's i7 > Shields Tegra 4 lol...

 

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by BelegStrongbow

Looks like they are competing with Razer  

 

http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona

 

http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade

 

EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

And how exactly do they propose to make a higher end "console" for streaming games over the Internet when the crippling factors are latency and bandwidth, neither of which depend on the console?

I don't know how Project Shield will compare to what we'll see in the next several months, but in raw performance for rendering games locally, it's massively ahead of anything else on the market today.  And that's a big deal.

Speaking of other things coming in the next several months, AMD has again confirmed that there will be Temash quad cores (contrary to rumors that it would be dual-core only), and now also that Temash is coming in the first half of this year.  Rumors say AMD will launch it at CeBIT in March.

I know, I know, you don't want to see streaming gaming take hold. Problem is, it's coming wether you want it to or not lol. 

In any case higher end systems includes things like better build quality, larger screens, etc. 

 

And as far as the Shield being the best on the market right now as far as raw performance and processing power)... lol it's going to be competing with things like the Fiona. Sure, fiona and others aren't available yet, but neither is Shield. 

It's low end junk lol. It's neat, but it's more of a novelty thing you could give to your 6 year old. 

Fiona's i7 > Shields Tegra 4 lol...

I was thinking for some reason that Fiona was going to be a Tegra 3.  I'm not sure what I had in mind, but that's apparently wrong

Before you praise the performance of a Core i7 too much, stop to consider what Intel means by Core i7.  Not fastest processor, period.  Rather, either top end platform (Bloomfield, Gulftown, Sandy Bridge-E), which Fiona definitely won't get, or fastest in a given TDP.  Right now, you can get a Core i7-3517U, which is a 1.9 GHz dual core.  Fast for a 17 W chip, yes.  But fast in an absolute sense?  No.

Intel has announced that there will be 10 W Haswell chips, and it's highly probable that they'll make a Core i7 bin of 10 W Haswell chips.  Will that be faster than Tegra 4?  If you use the integrated graphics in it, it would probably win some things and lose others.

Fiona is reportedly going to have a discrete video card in it, too.  Of course, given that this is Razer that we're talking about, it might be something like a GeForce GT 620M that gets smoked by integrated graphics.  I'd personally bet on a GeForce card with a single Kepler SMX, which is what the new Grid K1 card uses.

But there's a heavy price to pay for too much performance in a tablet form factor.  How much heat will it put out under heavy loads?  30 W?  40 W?  How much will the tablet have to weigh to accommodate that?  Will it zap the battery in under an hour, or will they go with a huge battery that just adds that much more to the weight?

Oh, and let's not forget the reported $1500 price tag.

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If you want a gaming tablet that uses considerably more power than is reasonable in a tablet, then AMD's Kabini at 15 W will probably look awfully nice.  Not sure if anyone will make such a tablet.  Or should.  That's what Temash is for.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by Quizzical

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by BelegStrongbow Looks like they are competing with Razer     http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona   http://www.razerzone.com/switchblade   EDIT:  This is the product you guys should really be talking about,  That nvidia thing looks like trash compared to the new Razer devices.  I went to CES 2012 and demoed them.  They are pretty wild.

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Fiona is a different beast all together. The unique aspect of Nvidias "Console" is the streaming. As far as streaming "Consoles" go this is bottom of the barrel, over the next few months you will start getting news on the ones you need to be watching out for. Theres many more coming of varying quality. So will be an easy pass, others are a bit more ambitious. 

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And how exactly do they propose to make a higher end "console" for streaming games over the Internet when the crippling factors are latency and bandwidth, neither of which depend on the console? I don't know how Project Shield will compare to what we'll see in the next several months, but in raw performance for rendering games locally, it's massively ahead of anything else on the market today.  And that's a big deal. Speaking of other things coming in the next several months, AMD has again confirmed that there will be Temash quad cores (contrary to rumors that it would be dual-core only), and now also that Temash is coming in the first half of this year.  Rumors say AMD will launch it at CeBIT in March.

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I know, I know, you don't want to see streaming gaming take hold. Problem is, it's coming wether you want it to or not lol. 

 

In any case higher end systems includes things like better build quality, larger screens, etc. 

 

And as far as the Shield being the best on the market right now as far as raw performance and processing power)... lol it's going to be competing with things like the Fiona. Sure, fiona and others aren't available yet, but neither is Shield. 

It's low end junk lol. It's neat, but it's more of a novelty thing you could give to your 6 year old. 

Fiona's i7 > Shields Tegra 4 lol...

 

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Fiona is a PC tablet, not an Android tablet. It's going to cost a lot more. How much more? How much does an i7 gaming rig cost right now? Now scale all the hardware down into a tablet, and add a multi-touch screen. It only needs to be slightly better than 720p, but still, it's a multi-touch screen built into the device. That much more.

It's two different markets. One is for the millions of people who bought a Nintendo handheld (Shield), and the other is for people who have more money than they really know what to do with (Fiona).

 

That was in direct response to Quizzicals claim that it was going to offer more power and performance. It's not, not by a long shot. It's trying to do to many things at once and is failing to fully utilize any of it. 

With streaming the hardware Shield uses is redundant and makes it cost more than other devices meant to stream gaming in a similar fashion, if you want local performance you won't be grabbing a shield unless it's for your kid lol.  

The shield is going to be competing with the likes of Google and Ubitus that are going to stream your console games and MMO's straight to google TV's, no system required lol. It's going to be competing with hand held portable systems that stream with larger screens and better controls for less money. 

On the local side it's competing with actual devices meant to provide the content locally such as the fiona. 

The shield simply can't compete in price with the streaming systems and can't compete with the performance systems in power and performance. It's in limbo before it even left the gate.