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  BigHatLogan

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Joined: 1/09/06
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1/10/13 5:05:04 PM#61

I disagree with Pokket 100% here and it sounds to me that she takes gaming way too seriously.  Why do I disagree?  Well, I believe that most people that play MMORPG's do so as a form of escapism.  Escapism is getting away from anything remotely having to do with real life and pretending to live/play/watch a fantasy world.  Some of us fantasize about conquering empires, some fantasize about being heroes, and some fantasize about fishing.  We all want to do things that we can't do in real life.  Take PKs for instance.  They are not a bunch of sociopaths in real life.  They just enjoy the thrill and challenge of hunting the most dangerous game.  I've been in plenty of PK guilds over the years and these people aren't any different than any other guild, except honestly less whiney about things.   

Others want to see if they can achieve great power.  These players often do form coalitions and backstab their way to the top.  It's a lot of fun to be the man in the shadows manipulating things.  I've been there and have some friends who were quite successful at it.  They are perfectly trustworthy human beings in real life.  One evil mastermind has been my friend for 15 years and has never wronged me. 

I would think a Vlogger would have a thicker skin, but Pokket your article is way off base and pretty insulting.  Thicken up your skin and try to find some actual evidence besides some silly anecdote.  No one likes the person who always tries to win every argument with a personal anecdote.  (that person loses every argument and usually doesn't even know it.)

TL/DR  this article is a bunch of BS.

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  Permadude

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1/10/13 5:31:38 PM#62
Originally posted by BigHatLogan

I disagree with Pokket 100% here and it sounds to me that she takes gaming way too seriously.  Why do I disagree?  Well, I believe that most people that play MMORPG's do so as a form of escapism.  Escapism is getting away from anything remotely having to do with real life and pretending to live/play/watch a fantasy world.  Some of us fantasize about conquering empires, some fantasize about being heroes, and some fantasize about fishing.  We all want to do things that we can't do in real life.  Take PKs for instance.  They are not a bunch of sociopaths in real life.  They just enjoy the thrill and challenge of hunting the most dangerous game.  I've been in plenty of PK guilds over the years and these people aren't any different than any other guild, except honestly less whiney about things.   

Others want to see if they can achieve great power.  These players often do form coalitions and backstab their way to the top.  It's a lot of fun to be the man in the shadows manipulating things.  I've been there and have some friends who were quite successful at it.  They are perfectly trustworthy human beings in real life.  One evil mastermind has been my friend for 15 years and has never wronged me. 

I would think a Vlogger would have a thicker skin, but Pokket your article is way off base and pretty insulting.  Thicken up your skin and try to find some actual evidence besides some silly anecdote.  No one likes the person who always tries to win every argument with a personal anecdote.  (that person loses every argument and usually doesn't even know it.)

TL/DR  this article is a bunch of BS.

It's also a slightly strange decision for someone to use their position at mmorpg.com to attack individuals within a game they play, regardless of the circumstances.  

  User Deleted
1/10/13 9:20:50 PM#63
In my experience, people leave guilds because the leadership sucks, nothing more.
  bamdorf

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Joined: 6/09/09
Posts: 150

1/10/13 9:45:01 PM#64

1.  The internet encourages bad behavoir---

I am not so sure about this.   The worst guild drama that I was involved in was between people who knew about each other in real life.   It didn't stop the drama, it actually made it worse.

2.  People complaining that Pokket should not use her post to attack specific people.   Huh?   I read the post and that did not seem to be the thrust of it at all.   OK, if I dug into it maybe I could figure out who the people were.   But that would be missing the point, and would be bad behavior...on my part.

3.  The idea that somehow women are responsible for the problems while men don't do that sort of thing is so ridiculous I can't think of any useful way to respond to it.

4.  I think the philosophy that works for me is that one good friend is worth going through 100 bad ones to find.   Because the 100 don't matter.  The feeling I have, even at my age, is  the difficulty in trying to figure out how it even occurred to people in to behave that way under any circumstances.  O.K., sounds like I am kind of stupid, but then I like myself that way, I guess. 

 

P.S.  Enjoy your columns as always, Pokket.

 

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  kjempff

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/12/04
Posts: 695

Make worlds not stories

1/11/13 8:01:12 PM#65

Humans are by nature selfish and only because it has more benefit to be social do we conform to rules, laws, conscience. There is nothing more selfish that babies and any baby would without regret kill its sibling. But as it is evident that living in a group (society) is a much better survivial strategy than alone, humans control their primal instincts with rules.

On the internet, you are not as bound by these rules as in real life, and to some that is a major release of virtual freedom that can be hard to administer. We all like to freak out in various ways and periods of time because it's primal, some get drunk, some get h.. other stuff, some become dicks in games.. its a freedom rush, and we all got the urge and if you beleive you pure ......haha.

  Zairu

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Joined: 1/09/09
Posts: 493

Yes, this is a personal attack.

1/11/13 8:13:22 PM#66

i think it varies.

for instance. MMORPG is the only site I actually post on. there used to be a music site I used to visit often but it died, but i have played many online games.

I tend to just troll on this site the majority of my posts. it is why I come here (other than the little news I actually get). my last two bans each lasted about 6 months. so last year there was only a few days when I was not banned. but in any games I play, I'm very polite and helpful, and just there to have a good time. I only post here because the tone reminds me of what I hate about online communities and I'm joining in on the banter because I woud rather vent it here than pollute the games I play with it, even if most times its more of an amusment than venting.

  McGamer

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Joined: 7/24/05
Posts: 1035

"Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Suffering" -Master Yoda

1/11/13 10:15:08 PM#67

[mod edit]

Bottom line is people hide behind the anonymity of the Internet to fulfill their sometimes sick desires. There is no rocket science to it. The problem is devs with no spine to moderate like responsible human beings should since the average gamer won't control themselves on their own.

  Vesavius

Old School

Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7194

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

1/12/13 3:28:31 AM#68

Good lord... why is every other blog piece some kind of lame cod physcho analysis of the posting/ gaming community here these days?

 

Look, we know a lot of people are asshats, and we know *why* they are asshats... It's obvious. Can we now get back to the games?

 

  ausculta

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/11/08
Posts: 8

1/12/13 5:11:02 AM#69

Online and in-game, I always hated being a guild master or a guild officer. The drama and backstabbing one seemed to always have to deal with was beyond tedious. IRL, never really had to deal with the same level of BS behavior from people close to me... Unless I'm dating some one who is cynically insane, which seems to happen far more often than it should.

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

1/12/13 6:02:15 AM#70
That sort guild behaviour is what led to me dropping progression pve and "raid or die" games in general.

Much better atmosphere in pvp guilds.
  Slampig

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 2390

Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

1/12/13 6:05:46 AM#71
Originally posted by SBFord

Whenever there's an ugly disagreement on the 'Net these days, people say it's because it's anonymous and it's the Internet. But is that the case or is it simply one's true colors shining through? Check out our latest thoughts about this issue and then leave yours in the comments.

The other day I was talking with a friend who is in a management position at his company. He's helped several of his friends get jobs and he's also established friends at the company in which he works. This probably sounds familiar to a lot of you. Well, despite being his friend, he's been backstabbed quite a few times by some of them. Some of them got others to bandwagon against him and the only thing that kept him afloat was the fact that there were still a few that wouldn't turn... plus he was good at his job.

Read more of Hillary Nicole's Pokket Says: Human Nature.

It is because of both of those reasons. Because the internet is anonymous a person is able to allow their true colors to shine.

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  NC-John

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Joined: 1/08/13
Posts: 112

1/13/13 12:13:59 AM#72

I have been around gaming for a long time, been a life long hobby. the primary thing i have learned is you can never convice yourself people in an online game are friends. some people like to say they have many friends online, but in truth, unless these people are in the same room as you or go to school with you, you have no friends online.

If you play a game to socailize then you need more real friends. I love gaming but I would trade three hours of closed beta for SWG2 for a great dinner with some of my close friends, some good laughs and a great live band rocking the house.  so when humans who flock to the internet to play pretend murder in some MMO do bad things to you in that game, be glad they don't know where you live.

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  Dolnor

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Joined: 12/02/03
Posts: 24

1/13/13 9:27:17 PM#73

Pokket, this has been going on since the early days of online gaming.  I was in a large guild in DAOC (500+ members) which routinely fractured this exact way.

And in the first real online multiplayer game I played, The Realm Online, people created alts in-game and on forums just to create havoc between guilds/groups...to get the to war against each other...while they sat back and laughed.  This was 1995!

Yes, it sucks that people do this type of shenanigans but it is gonna happen in any social system (RL and online) where people don't have to "pay for creating problems".

 

TQQdles™,

Dolnor Numbwit

  Tingtong1

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Joined: 10/05/05
Posts: 21

1/15/13 11:16:33 AM#74

Typical female GM focusing on the drama rather than why her guild is a AOL chat group.

Look at yourself before you cry on other peoples shoulders to feel "bad" for you.

I have yet to meet a female in a leadership position who couldn't set personal feelings aside from managing people.

Harsh? Yes, but you set the tone for your guild. Those people left for a reason. Pretty face only goes so far.

  botrytis

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Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2527

1/15/13 11:23:25 AM#75
Originally posted by Tingtong1

Typical female GM focusing on the drama rather than why her guild is a AOL chat group.

Look at yourself before you cry on other peoples shoulders to feel "bad" for you.

I have yet to meet a female in a leadership position who couldn't set personal feelings aside from managing people.

Harsh? Yes, but you set the tone for your guild. Those people left for a reason. Pretty face only goes so far.

Nice sexist attitude you have there and WRONG. I have been in quite a few guilds with female GM's AND NONE OF THEM were like you suggest. Now go be sexist someplace else.

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  Hystaric

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2/24/13 3:15:36 PM#76

Integrity -- What you do when no one is watching.
-- Anon

Character -- What you do when everyone is watching

--Forbes

It seems this sorta social deviance is more fluent online due to people feeling more comfortable behind a computer screen. One only has to hit the power button to avoid any repercussions, or /gquit in this instance. All goes back to Integrity and character (not the one you play online), or lack of one. Integrity and Character is a choice.

Every Tried. Ever Failed. No Matter. Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better. -Samuel Beckett (1906-1989)

  CyborWolfTK

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Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 80

2/24/13 3:28:56 PM#77

 

 

  Human Nature?

 

It's all about the enviorment an individual is brought up in, AND currently exsists in.

 

No one is born a racist, biggot, greedy, humain. caring, ect ect, add your virtue/sin here.

 

It is all learned.

 

 

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