Originally posted by Traugar
UO is what I call a real MMO.  It's not that you don't like MMO's.  You may just no like the direction they have taken.  The issue is that no one has made one on the same level as it that integrates modern technology.  Instead they have all catered to the lowest common denominator.  Many of those are fun and enjoyable, but they just aren't the same.  

I love when people use this term when talking about MMOs... You know, because it takes such a great intellect to play an MMORPG...

for those argueing saying UO wasnt the best MMO ever  i must say i wasnt out to start a flame war i was mearly saying since UO no game has held my interest and this hole post was just my opinion on what it takes to be a great MMO and new age MMOs just aint cutting it lol

first of all to me to be considerd a MMO a game MUST! be a open world not a instanced half assed attempt of a world ,second those of you saying instanced dungeons are best GTFO  if you want a game world all to your self go play a single player game lol 

And UO had simple yet immerse pvp the magery system has yet to be riveled show me another game with magery mechanics like UO had how many spell combos , heals etc did ppl come up with ?  and Dexxers altho simple still took player skill to time heals , pots , boom pouches  etc i think ppl taking shit about UO pvp prolly pvped with a half built char lost then quit , one great thing about UOs pvp was you didnt need a 7x GM tank to compete i would do chaos and order wars with my 5x fencer and was competitive UO wasnt ALL tank mages like some say , sure they where fun to play  but in all honesty a GOOD dexxer had a good chance of beating a tank mage

as far as crafting  im not an expert in UO it seemed  great cuz not everyone had a GM smith/tailor/carpenter  in the newer MMos i played it seems everyone is self suffucient everyone crafts there own items where in UO not many ppl had a mule with all crafting skills Gmed  soo there was a must better economy

Originally posted by Luftwaffen

for those argueing saying UO wasnt the best MMO ever  i must say i wasnt out to start a flame war i was mearly saying since UO no game has held my interest and this hole post was just my opinion on what it takes to be a great MMO and new age MMOs just aint cutting it lol

 

first of all to me to be considerd a MMO a game MUST! be a open world not a instanced half assed attempt of a world ,second those of you saying instanced dungeons are best GTFO  if you want a game world all to your self go play a single player game lol 

 

And UO had simple yet immerse pvp the magery system has yet to be riveled show me another game with magery mechanics like UO had how many spell combos , heals etc did ppl come up with ?  and Dexxers altho simple still took player skill to time heals , pots , boom pouches  etc i think ppl taking shit about UO pvp prolly pvped with a half built char lost then quit , one great thing about UOs pvp was you didnt need a 7x GM tank to compete i would do chaos and order wars with my 5x fencer and was competitive UO wasnt ALL tank mages like some say , sure they where fun to play  but in all honesty a GOOD dexxer had a good chance of beating a tank mage

 

as far as crafting  im not an expert in UO it seemed  great cuz not everyone had a GM smith/tailor/carpenter  in the newer MMos i played it seems everyone is self suffucient everyone crafts there own items where in UO not many ppl had a mule with all crafting skills Gmed  soo there was a must better economy

SWG ruined any further mmo for me in the long term.  I get what your saying, you miss the feeling of being in a world and no current mmo feels like a world in the least.

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Luftwaffen

for those argueing saying UO wasnt the best MMO ever  i must say i wasnt out to start a flame war i was mearly saying since UO no game has held my interest and this hole post was just my opinion on what it takes to be a great MMO and new age MMOs just aint cutting it lol

 

first of all to me to be considerd a MMO a game MUST! be a open world not a instanced half assed attempt of a world ,second those of you saying instanced dungeons are best GTFO  if you want a game world all to your self go play a single player game lol 

 

And UO had simple yet immerse pvp the magery system has yet to be riveled show me another game with magery mechanics like UO had how many spell combos , heals etc did ppl come up with ?  and Dexxers altho simple still took player skill to time heals , pots , boom pouches  etc i think ppl taking shit about UO pvp prolly pvped with a half built char lost then quit , one great thing about UOs pvp was you didnt need a 7x GM tank to compete i would do chaos and order wars with my 5x fencer and was competitive UO wasnt ALL tank mages like some say , sure they where fun to play  but in all honesty a GOOD dexxer had a good chance of beating a tank mage

 

as far as crafting  im not an expert in UO it seemed  great cuz not everyone had a GM smith/tailor/carpenter  in the newer MMos i played it seems everyone is self suffucient everyone crafts there own items where in UO not many ppl had a mule with all crafting skills Gmed  soo there was a must better economy

SWG ruined any further mmo for me in the long term.  I get what your saying, you miss the feeling of being in a world and no current mmo feels like a world in the least.

ya i miised out on SWG i was never a fan of starwars so i passed up on that game, but the ppl i know who played it loved it

i think the problem is these days MMos are dumbing down a bit and no games coming out trying to raise the bar , i thought Darkfall was that game  sure it has FFA pvp but the community sucks and the game lacks content everyone wears the same gear and joins all the zerg guilds just to be the best gankers in the land lol  everyone is there own smith tailor etc i would like to see a game come out acaully try to be the total package again  a true new age VWS id give up FFA PvP for a good guild waring system or even open pvp with risk as long as there was  a actual comunity  and ditch the world chat sytem lol

Originally posted by Selyse

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I think its time to say it. UO is not an MMO. With the direction pretty much every other MMO has taken, I don't feel it's right to call UO an MMO. So from now on its a VWS (Virual World Simulator) oO. 

yep I agree. I don't like MMOs any more. I like VWSs.

Does that mean games like Second Life. :( 

Every genre has it's bad examples. oO!  

UO was probably the greatest kept secret ever on the internet.

From what I can gather reading these forums UO probably had somewhere around 1 billion subs at launch and everyone played it for 10+ years.....that or there are a lot of people on this site that are full of shit and never actually played it.

Originally posted by XAPGames

An interesting point.  You know, I'm not sure I'm a fan of MMORPGs either.  I was a fan for the direction I thought they were headed, but certainly not for the direction in which they went.

I can't imagine a world where Space Invaders remained the only game, unchanging, forever.

But lots of unfortunate folks cannot ever move beyond their First Love (whether that's UO, or something else).

Originally posted by Marcus-

Originally posted by Iselin

Although I hated UO... I had had it with RG's idiosyncrasies by then and was totally bored with Dupre, Iolo, virtues, etc., I have to agree with the majority of posts here that MMOs have gone all fluffy and are trying to pass off style as substance.

 

MMOs should have been evolving into ever more realistic, comprehensive and inclusive worlds but instead they've been devolving into "shared-experience" single player games with chat lobbies.

 

I still remember the days when new games promoted useful things like destructiblle environments and the ability to interact with everything and everyone...in other words, more realism. Now they create new wizbang limited content in a world of non-interactive background fluff.

I never thought while playing i would consider UO the "best" MMO i ever played some 15 years later..

I thought UO was the prototype, a rough draft of a living online "world" not something somewhat unique in a world consisting mostly of instances, lobbies, tiers, etc. Theres some out there that don't follow the market trend, i know, but they are far and few between, and theres been enough written about them i don't think i need to rehash.

 

It (UO) was pretty buggy, to say the least, patch days were beyond horrific. The PvE was very basic, the PvP was as well.

But it was all the little things that made the world come "alive". Player housing, player towns, hunting decorartive rares, musuems, the heavy dependancy on crafting, the Rpers, the PKs, fishtanks, treasure hunting.... all of it.

 

Now, its a lot of cookie cutter.

 

Its not rose-colored glasses... its feeling that your character can make a difference in the virtual world you are living in, if you so choose.

Not everyone needs to be the hero.

What's a fish tank?

Originally posted by MMOExposed

What's a fish tank?

It's one of the many things UOers build with various items in the game. It's a challenging little diversion that leaves you with a neat decoration in the end.  There's one on the second floor of this house:

It's made from stacks of dyed cloth and fished up items.

Since then they added aquariums.

Here's a page to a couple other artistic creations by UOers.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by MMOExposed

What's a fish tank?

It's one of the many things UOers build with various items in the game. It's a challenging little diversion that leaves you with a neat decoration in the end.  There's one on the second floor of this house:

 

 

It's made from stacks of dyed cloth and fished up items.

 

Since then they added aquariums.

 

Here's a page to a couple other artistic creations by UOers.

Wow so in UO items were truly player made in every way? Didn't that require coding like Second Life?

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Wow so in UO items were truly player made in every way? Didn't that require coding like Second Life?

Stuff like that you just put together and locked down into place so they wouldn't 'disappear.' :)

Here's one of the ways to make a grand piano: http://uo2.stratics.com/homes-and-decorations/echo-deco/construct-a-piano

Note: It's not a working piano, just a decoration.

In uo, a house, depending on size, can hold anywhere from 500 to several thousand items ( astack of of most materials/consumables counts as 1 item). There is also a relatively freeform placement of items so players get creative when putting things together in their bags, on their vendors or in player owned structures.