Hello !  I was a long time UO player from 98 to 01ish  and on and off on free servers till around 2009 ,  I have yet to find another MMO that has held my attention for more then 3-6 months since UO !   how come no other MMO since UO has the content and fun UO had , UOs 2d graphics worked great  and the big thing for me was the community  since UO ive played several PvP games Shadowbane,GW1,AOC,DF and most recently Wushu  they are all good games in there own right but none has been the total package, and for me here is what newer MMos  are missing ,

Comminity since UO every game is either PvP sandbox or PvE themeparks  and i think to have a great MMO you have to have a comunity mixed of PvPers and PvEers UO pulled that off sure Pks ran some ppl off but UO always had a great adverse comunity  and it was great my guild had Pvpers and crafters and ppl who loved to group hunt  and it took all of this to be a great guild , and chat systems "for me" make the game i hate just useing the chat systems most MMos have i like bubble chat like UO had , i didnt realise this till i started playing Wushu  and was like ya I miss this in MMOs lol how come a game cant be created to suit both Pvpers and crafter/hunters  i play Darkfall cuz i love pvp but it has 0 comunity everyone you see just wants to gank etc  UO had open pvp but i wasnt ganked at sight evry hour and i made great friends in UO

Simple yet  fun things in UO had that most MMOs wont implement , Guild wars, MMos these days are either PvP or none PvP how come even in none PvP games guilds cant declair war agenst eachother like we could in UO my best memories in PvP was particapating in guildwars it was fun and had meaning  and it only effected the guilds involved  why do games put restrictions on this ? 

Sparring, in UO you could spar your guildmates for skill gain ! Ingenious!!!  what builds comrodery and comunity like UO did ,you couldnt go outside any major guild houses on pac without seeing ppl sparring !!! 

UO is a very different experience from most MMOs. The gameplay and features are so far removed from the mainstream MMO - from EQ to present - that it's hard to believe it's even in the same category.

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Of course players had a choice, they could not play UO.  What kind of masochistic player continues playing a game where he's not having fun?

An interesting point.  You know, I'm not sure I'm a fan of MMORPGs either.  I was a fan for the direction I thought they were headed, but certainly not for the direction in which they went.

If todays popular games represent the best and brightest that the MMORPG genre can offer, I'll stick with the unpopular ones.

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Of course players had a choice, they could not play UO.  What kind of masochistic player continues playing a game where he's not having fun?

The mind of the modern MMO gamer is a fascinating thing, man. :)

Originally posted by XAPGames

An interesting point.  You know, I'm not sure I'm a fan of MMORPGs either.  I was a fan for the direction I thought they were headed, but certainly not for the direction in which they went.

 

If todays popular games represent the best and brightest that the MMORPG genre can offer, I'll stick with the unpopular ones.

 

If todays popular games represent the best and brightest that the MMORPG genre can offer then I'm finding a new hobby.

I know how the OP feels.  After playing Eve for 3 years, I can't go back to the standard fantasy quest grinder and battlegrounds / arena e-sport crap. 

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Of course players had a choice, they could not play UO.  What kind of masochistic player continues playing a game where he's not having fun?

thats easy - you play for other aspects then ffa pvp, since you cannt get them in any other game

Originally posted by Benedikt

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Of course players had a choice, they could not play UO.  What kind of masochistic player continues playing a game where he's not having fun?

thats easy - you play for other aspects then ffa pvp, since you cannt get them in any other game

That was sort of a rhetorical question.  Anyway, I don't understand the point you're trying to make.  Are you saying that you play games that you don't consider fun because they have a feature that you like?

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Benedikt

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by Enerzeal

UO forced all types into it's game, not because they had some winning formula but because it was all that was on offer, this created the community that make it so great.

Today if the same game came out, then it still wouldn't be THAT game, because the sheep the wolves used to hunt are now in their own safe havens, it's a great shame, but it wont ever be again, not until some massive leap takes place, and that leap is so niche that no one follows for years, an example would be the first VRMMO.

Ya I mean, people that dont' want FFA pvp probably dont' have a choice but to play UO at that time.  Thus your fun is probably build by other people not having fun.

Of course players had a choice, they could not play UO.  What kind of masochistic player continues playing a game where he's not having fun?

thats easy - you play for other aspects then ffa pvp, since you cannt get them in any other game

That was sort of a rhetorical question.  Anyway, I don't understand the point you're trying to make.  Are you saying that you play games that you don't consider fun because they have a feature that you like?

no, i am saying that sometimes i play games that has features i dont like if they have other features i really want

Although I hated UO... I had had it with RG's idiosyncrasies by then and was totally bored with Dupre, Iolo, virtues, etc., I have to agree with the majority of posts here that MMOs have gone all fluffy and are trying to pass off style as substance.

MMOs should have been evolving into ever more realistic, comprehensive and inclusive worlds but instead they've been devolving into "shared-experience" single player games with chat lobbies.

I still remember the days when new games promoted useful things like destructiblle environments and the ability to interact with everything and everyone...in other words, more realism. Now they create new wizbang limited content in a world of non-interactive background fluff.

I don't think it's that you don't like mmo's. I think you're like a lot of us. You just don't like mediocre mmo's. The older Mmo's like UO, AC1, DAOC, EQ, all had a lot more to do in it's day than today's games do at release. The games of the past were like living, breathing worlds, full or life and hustle and bustle from the players. There just aren't any games like that anymore.

Originally posted by Iselin

Although I hated UO... I had had it with RG's idiosyncrasies by then and was totally bored with Dupre, Iolo, virtues, etc., I have to agree with the majority of posts here that MMOs have gone all fluffy and are trying to pass off style as substance.

 

MMOs should have been evolving into ever more realistic, comprehensive and inclusive worlds but instead they've been devolving into "shared-experience" single player games with chat lobbies.

 

I still remember the days when new games promoted useful things like destructiblle environments and the ability to interact with everything and everyone...in other words, more realism. Now they create new wizbang limited content in a world of non-interactive background fluff.

I never thought while playing i would consider UO the "best" MMO i ever played some 15 years later..

I thought UO was the prototype, a rough draft of a living online "world" not something somewhat unique in a world consisting mostly of instances, lobbies, tiers, etc. Theres some out there that don't follow the market trend, i know, but they are far and few between, and theres been enough written about them i don't think i need to rehash.

It (UO) was pretty buggy, to say the least, patch days were beyond horrific. The PvE was very basic, the PvP was as well.

But it was all the little things that made the world come "alive". Player housing, player towns, hunting decorartive rares, musuems, the heavy dependancy on crafting, the Rpers, the PKs, fishtanks, treasure hunting.... all of it.

Now, its a lot of cookie cutter.

Its not rose-colored glasses... its feeling that your character can make a difference in the virtual world you are living in, if you so choose.

Not everyone needs to be the hero.