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  Cecropia

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1/06/13 8:53:21 PM#81
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

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  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

1/06/13 8:54:02 PM#82
Originally posted by Ryowulf

It isn't and here is why. No one is trying to force the straight person into a gay marrage or romance.

The straight person IS forcing the gay person into not being able to marry or have a romance.

 

I feel the problem is slightly different. The straight person is forced into exposure to the gay marriage. And of course the gay person is forced into exposure to the straight marriage.

 

hence the scenario simply becomes "group A vs group B".

 

well in such cases the larger group typically wins.

  User Deleted
1/06/13 8:54:20 PM#83
Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by ezpz77
I think it's great that famous, very public people come out and talk about their sexuality. It gives other, less fortunate members of the LGBT community pride and hope in being who they are. It's an important social issue and the more it gets talked about the better off we will be. 

Seems to be a good step in being accepted in who you are, is by accepting who they are? Some people can not accept the idea, believe it to be morally wrong or whatever. In fact adding a feature like this might actually be upsetting to people, while I doubt not having same gender stuff in a game would be upsetting at all. I mean if a game had only same gender I would not be offended or feel that someone is attacking my personality. While I could be offended if someone in a game add something that I would find morally wrong.

 

I'll never accept anyone bigoted towards another human being based on things like sexuality, socio-economic standing, race, gender etc. Your worth as a person should have nothing to do with any of those things, and I find it repulsive that some misguided fool would try and link sexuality, race, gender etc. with the morality of a person. I'm tolerant of other people when we don't see eye-to-eye on things like forgeign relations or domestic policy. I am not tolerant when it comes to homophobia. I lump it in with racism and genderism. It's just another form of discrimination, and nobody should be accepting of that. 

The same exact point was brought up with ME3. You have to go out of your way to be offended by it. If you don't want a gay Shepard, you don't have to have one. If you don't want a gay relationship in SWTOR, you don't have to have one. 

Around the 6:13 mark. 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5433-Mass-Effect-3-And-The-Case-For-A-Gay-Shepard

  jonrd463

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Joined: 6/24/09
Posts: 608

1/06/13 8:54:36 PM#84
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

"Bigot" here is used in a completely subjective way. It's called confirmation bias.

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  Krashner

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Joined: 6/20/09
Posts: 141

1/06/13 8:55:43 PM#85
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

How are you not being an intolerent bigot? You say that these people should not be tolerated, that LITERALLY makes you intolerent. You are exactly what you hate, just over a different belief.

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
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1/06/13 8:57:05 PM#86
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  MMOdad72

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1/06/13 8:57:32 PM#87
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

You honestly sound no better than any of those "bigots".

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4700

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

1/06/13 8:58:03 PM#88
Originally posted by Krashner
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

How are you not being an intolerent bigot? You say that these people should not be tolerated, that LITERALLY makes you intolerent. You are exactly what you hate, just over a different belief.

everyone has the freedom to agree with me. Isn't it great having freedom?

  Ginaz

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1/06/13 8:59:18 PM#89
Well, this thread is going the way I thought it would.  Good job, fellas.

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  Traugar

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Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 168

1/06/13 9:02:22 PM#90
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Let me show you how you sound.  Substitute black/mexican/gay/lesbian/christian/muslim/jew/etc for the word bigot.  Guess what you are?

  erikk3189

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Joined: 3/31/08
Posts: 310

1/06/13 9:09:29 PM#91

A very large portion of this games players do not want the devs wasting time on something like this of little importance to the game and of no value whatsoever to the story line overall and instead they should spend time on things of lots more importance.

A small minority want something that lasts what, a few seconds then fade to black? Over more meaningful things the game has that need attention? Hopefully the devs won't waste time on satisfying some jokers sexual fantasy with an npc, an NPC!

This is what it's come to, the desperate need to romance a games NPC. A non-real non-player character over the real needs of the game. Then these same people are crying over bugs and other things gone wrong in the game cause the devs haven't fixed them.

Unbelievable!

  User Deleted
1/06/13 9:11:59 PM#92
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Let me show you how you sound.  Substitute black/mexican/gay/lesbian/christian/muslim/jew/etc for the word bigot.  Guess what you are?

 

I'm a bigot against bigotry. I'm okay with the hypocrisy in that. I can't stand racism, homophobia, genderism etc. Bigots can't stand blacks/mexicans/gays/lesbians/christians/muslims/jews/etc. 

 

  Ryowulf

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Joined: 8/28/05
Posts: 671

1/06/13 9:14:25 PM#93
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Ryowulf

It isn't and here is why. No one is trying to force the straight person into a gay marrage or romance.

The straight person IS forcing the gay person into not being able to marry or have a romance.

 

I feel the problem is slightly different. The straight person is forced into exposure to the gay marriage. And of course the gay person is forced into exposure to the straight marriage.

 

hence the scenario simply becomes "group A vs group B".

 

well in such cases the larger group typically wins.

The right to have an opinion means other people have that same right. Its therefor unavoidable that people will be exposed to opinions that they don't agree with.  That doesn't mean a person has to agree with those other opinions, but it does mean they have to be tolerant of them for their own rights to mean anything.

Forcing someone else to live by your opinion rather than the person's own choices is wrong. 

In other words, its okay to think red shirts are best. Its not okay to force someone who likes green to wear a redshirt, just because red fan guy doesn't want to see someone walking around in a green shirt.

  Krashner

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Joined: 6/20/09
Posts: 141

1/06/13 9:15:46 PM#94
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Let me show you how you sound.  Substitute black/mexican/gay/lesbian/christian/muslim/jew/etc for the word bigot.  Guess what you are?

 

I'm a bigot against bigotry. I'm okay with the hypocrisy in that. I can't stand racism, homophobia, genderism etc. Bigots can't stand blacks/mexicans/gays/lesbians/christians/muslims/jews/etc. 

 

Then you're no better than the people you hate. You're not on the moral high ground here no matter what you think. Intolerence is intolerence, doesn't matter if you hate people who look different than you or people who think different than you, you're just as bad.

  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
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1/06/13 9:19:51 PM#95
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Would your signature not speak of intolerance and bigotry?  Really? You think it's OK to insinuate that people that go to church do not think?  What does your signature even have to do with gaming?

 

Hypocricy at it's finest.

 

That said.. why does this have to turn into a political argument about sexuality?  This is a freaking gaming forum.  From a gaming perspective I think wasting time creating content where you "romance" NPC pixels is an utter waste considering the many issues the game has.  Take all the stupid romance arcs out of the game and make it a fun game.

 

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  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

1/06/13 9:21:32 PM#96
Originally posted by Ryowulf
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Ryowulf

It isn't and here is why. No one is trying to force the straight person into a gay marrage or romance.

The straight person IS forcing the gay person into not being able to marry or have a romance.

 

I feel the problem is slightly different. The straight person is forced into exposure to the gay marriage. And of course the gay person is forced into exposure to the straight marriage.

 

hence the scenario simply becomes "group A vs group B".

 

well in such cases the larger group typically wins.

The right to have an opinion means other people have that same right. Its therefor unavoidable that people will be exposed to opinions that they don't agree with.  That doesn't mean a person has to agree with those other opinions, but it does mean they have to be tolerant of them for their own rights to mean anything.

Forcing someone else to live by your opinion rather than the person's own choices is wrong. 

In other words, its okay to think red shirts are best. Its not okay to force someone who likes green to wear a redshirt, just because red fan guy doesn't want to see someone walking around in a green shirt.

I fully agree. I hink this will lead to an endless conflict between red shirts and green shirts however since both sides want to impose their perspective.

 

it's wrong for one side to try to impose his - like you said. BUT BOTH SIDES ARE DOING IT. So one side can't back down or loses, and - particularly in the male population, which I am a part of - there is a strong adversion to defeat. To the point where what you lose is not relevant, losing is unnacceptable.

 

so Green and Red will be locked in conflicts across fields, forums and social medias, in the raid and sun until one side wins.

 

I think that you think that only one side is doing this push for their perspective. i believe both sides do this. perhaps the larger of the two sides is more obvious because it has more members doing it?

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1/06/13 9:23:00 PM#97
Originally posted by Krashner
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Let me show you how you sound.  Substitute black/mexican/gay/lesbian/christian/muslim/jew/etc for the word bigot.  Guess what you are?

 

I'm a bigot against bigotry. I'm okay with the hypocrisy in that. I can't stand racism, homophobia, genderism etc. Bigots can't stand blacks/mexicans/gays/lesbians/christians/muslims/jews/etc. 

 

Then you're no better than the people you hate. You're not on the moral high ground here no matter what you think. Intolerence is intolerence, doesn't matter if you hate people who look different than you or people who think different than you, you're just as bad.

 

You really can't see the difference between hating racism or homophobia and hating blacks or gays? In the most literal, myopic, humanless sense there is no difference. 

  erikk3189

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1/06/13 9:26:42 PM#98
Originally posted by erikk3189

 

 

Why are blacks always used as refrence when talking about gays? This is about gays, not about blacks or any other race. You need to stop using them to defend gays. Let them stand on their own.

  Krashner

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1/06/13 9:28:16 PM#99
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Krashner
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Lydeck

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

In this case it's painfully simple; a bigot should never be tolerated. They are a poison that should be called out and shut down as soon as they expose themselves.

This should be basic shit in 2013. Catch up.

Let me show you how you sound.  Substitute black/mexican/gay/lesbian/christian/muslim/jew/etc for the word bigot.  Guess what you are?

 

I'm a bigot against bigotry. I'm okay with the hypocrisy in that. I can't stand racism, homophobia, genderism etc. Bigots can't stand blacks/mexicans/gays/lesbians/christians/muslims/jews/etc. 

 

Then you're no better than the people you hate. You're not on the moral high ground here no matter what you think. Intolerence is intolerence, doesn't matter if you hate people who look different than you or people who think different than you, you're just as bad.

 

You really can't see the difference between hating racism or homophobia and hating blacks or gays? In the most literal, myopic, humanless sense there is no difference. 

You're not talking about hating racism, you're talking about hating the person because they are racist. There's a big difference there, I hate racism, but I don't hate racists, I just disagree with them. Hate is hate, no matter how you color it, being intolerent of someone because they have a different set of beliefs than you is wrong.

  ninjapy

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1/06/13 9:29:24 PM#100

Would having a romantic relationship with a Wookie be Beastiality?

 

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