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  xAPOCx

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1/05/13 6:18:27 PM#121
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Such a shame that this is the view our society takes in maters like this. The criminal isent to blame, its the victims fault.

"What a shame that girl got raped. Well maybe if she wasnt dancing all sexy in the club she woundnt have been raped."

"What a shame that guy got robbed and shot. Well maybe he shouldnt have pulled his wallet out to pay for gas"

"What a shame that old woman got scammed. Well maybe if she wasnt old and had some sence she would have seen that guy coming"

 

Honestly i dont know what to say about some of you people. Since when is the victim the one on trial and not the criminal.

There's a difference between your examples and people who knowingly put themselves in questionable situations and then expect a bailout when the inevitable happens.

A bailout? Its been awhile since i read the OP but did they want a bailout? I think the OP only wanted what anyone would want in these kinds of situations.... Justice.

Justice? For what? Being gullible?

Last time i checked, being gullible wasent a crime. So why punish those because someone took advantage of them? Punish those that take advantage of others.

  PieRad

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1/05/13 6:28:16 PM#122
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Such a shame that this is the view our society takes in maters like this. The criminal isent to blame, its the victims fault.

"What a shame that girl got raped. Well maybe if she wasnt dancing all sexy in the club she woundnt have been raped."

"What a shame that guy got robbed and shot. Well maybe he shouldnt have pulled his wallet out to pay for gas"

"What a shame that old woman got scammed. Well maybe if she wasnt old and had some sence she would have seen that guy coming"

 

Honestly i dont know what to say about some of you people. Since when is the victim the one on trial and not the criminal.

There's a difference between your examples and people who knowingly put themselves in questionable situations and then expect a bailout when the inevitable happens.

A bailout? Its been awhile since i read the OP but did they want a bailout? I think the OP only wanted what anyone would want in these kinds of situations.... Justice.

Justice? For what? Being gullible?

Last time i checked, being gullible wasent a crime. So why punish those because someone took advantage of them? Punish those that take advantage of others.

 

Isn't it better to get the lesson in a video game?

 

In EVE, (Yes I went there) it's part of the game, some even consider it skill, taking down corperations by rising through their ranks and cleaning their hangar, can take months, in some cases years.. For some, this is the whole game.

 

If you don't want to fall victim to any of this, just use common sense. <- That works for any game, IRL too!

 

@OP

Send me 25g, and I'll send you double back.. I've quit GW2, but I like to see who would be so kind as to help strangers like I, and if they do, I reward them twofold.

 

 

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 880

1/05/13 6:32:48 PM#123
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

Such a shame that this is the view our society takes in maters like this. The criminal isent to blame, its the victims fault.

 

"What a shame that girl got raped. Well maybe if she wasnt dancing all sexy in the club she woundnt have been raped."

"What a shame that guy got robbed and shot. Well maybe he shouldnt have pulled his wallet out to pay for gas"

"What a shame that old woman got scammed. Well maybe if she wasnt old and had some sence she would have seen that guy coming"

 

Honestly i dont know what to say about some of you people. Since when is the victim the one on trial and not the criminal.

 

 

 

The problem is you are not understanding a thing.

In a perfect world no one would be hurting anyone.

It is never a good thing when someone is wronged or someone is hurt. Can you understand this? Do you get this? I hope so. I don't believe most people here, myself included, would disagree.

However, when someone is hurt or slighted or wronged when they make bad decisions then it's still a horrible thing but one must ask why they thought they were immune?

In a perfect world a woman should be able to walk down the street and never once be hurt, insulted, slighted or even bothered.

But do we live in a perfect world? Are there not evil people about? And because of this don't we take precautions to mitigate some of the disasters that come our way?

Too many people claiming victim when, if they took a few minutes to think, they wouldn't be victims. you want to lump it all together. The "wrongness" of another being hurt is still wrong. No matter what. But when someone has not done their due dilligence, has not thought of the consequences of being in a bad area, trusting a stranger with their money or their loved ones, then that's an issue.

If you trust your kids with someone you know such as a family member, and something horrible happens then that's a travesty. If you let a complete stranger into your house, with no one recommending them, to look after your kids and something horrible happens then not only is that a travesty but negligence.

Do you understand this? If not then can I assume you live in that perfect world where people can walk down the street and not ever be hurt. And if you do then PLEASE let me know because I want to live in that world too.

 

LOL. Its you who doesnt understand. Its not the perfect world but how we conduct ourselves when someone is wronged. Your quick to blame the victim and not the criminal.

And i dont know what i said that prompted you to say RED. Another missunderstaning on your part?

I know people dont always take the necesary precautions to make sure people take care of themselves but is that any excuses to absolve the criminal of any wrong doin because the victim was in the wong place at the wrong time?

That was what i was trying to convay in my previous post. That it seems like everyone is prosecuting the victim and not the criminal. Shame on you.

  Sovrath

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Posts: 17123

1/05/13 6:38:01 PM#124
Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

LOL. Its you who doesnt understand. Its not the perfect world but how we conduct ourselves when someone is wronged. Your quick to blame the victim and not the criminal.

And i dont know what i said that prompted you to say RED. Another missunderstaning on your part?

I know people dont always take the necesary precautions to make sure people take care of themselves but is that any excuses to absolve the criminal of any wrong doin because the victim was in the wong place at the wrong time?

That was what i was trying to convay in my previous post. That it seems like everyone is prosecuting the victim and not the criminal. Shame on you.

How about this, when someone is wronged then I blame the criminal. When somene is wronged because of bad decisions on their part, then I blame the criminal and I then call negligence on the victim.

You think a family who leaves their kids with known, violent crack heads isn't going to be questioned by the judge when something horrible happens?

Shame on me? Well, I suppose that's what you would say when you think people can act however they want and never take responsibility for their actions.

 

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3566

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

1/05/13 6:38:14 PM#125
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by nate1980

You guys make me sick. Talk about blame the victim. So if you all walk down an alley one night after you got drunk at a bar, and get mugged, I guess the cops should just say, " it's your own fault for walking through a dark alley at night."

Uh, YES.

If you choose to walk down a dark alley at night with impaired senses, what do you think is going to happen? Some fairy is going to show up and give you a unicorn to ride?

Stupidity isn't an excuse nor does it absolve you from responsibility.

Exactly. For every action/inaction there is a consequence.   People are responsible for their own actions. This fellow didn't use good judgement, so as a consequence was taken. 

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7195

1/05/13 6:44:56 PM#126
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Halohead

I think the OP was just trying to take advantage of a system that is in most MMOs, but sadly absent from GW2. I mean, the usual economic system is that you use the AH for convenience and actual inter-character trading when you want the good deals. In other MMOs I would always put the stuff I wanted to sell on the auction house because I just wanted to post it and forget. I didn't want to spend hours spamming offers or browsing chats for buyers just to make a better profit, I usually had better shit to do.

Guild Wars 2 should offer that same choice. The OP took the time to look for and find a better deal than what the TP was offering (although it wasn't authentic), if the game actually supported a trading system where two windows opened up, he put in the gold, the other guy put in the ectos, and both players clicked confirm, then the OP should've gotten it. That's the way the game should be, not risk for reward, but more time and commitment for better profit.

That being said, the OP is still at fault for sending in the entirety of his gold in the mail to a complete stranger and hoping the guy has integrity. I won't call him an idiot for it, it can happen to anyone, even happened to me once. It's just a lesson everyone learns sooner or later.

 

I disagree with the second paragraph. I don't think GW2 should have both systems, and I think the current system is superior.  The OP did not "take the time" to look for and find a better deal, they got caught up in a scam performed by multiple players pretending to be trading stuff, so that they could scam them out of all their gold.  The TP is far superior, direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.

Why not? What would it hurt? 

You should probably try to read to the end of the paragraph. Direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.  The TP provides a safe way of selling and purchasing goods. Trustworthy people can trade within the mail system because they are honest. The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are scam artists.

And if you think that having an option for direct player to player trading would stops scams, you are horrendously mistaken.

7 years of mmorpg player to player trading,  and I've never been scammed.  , [lock], [confirm], you can't be scammed. Isn't player interaction a good thing. Isn't that one of the top 10 complaints about gw2? 

 

What I'm saying is, more options to interact is a good thing. Why all the sudden direct player interaction, and scam artists be paired? Is it because direct player trade is not offered in gw2? I know you love the game, but having more options can't possible take away from the experience, and be a bad thing.

 

Having a window is the best suggestion that's came out of this thread.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  eyelolled

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1/05/13 7:01:29 PM#127
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Halohead

I think the OP was just trying to take advantage of a system that is in most MMOs, but sadly absent from GW2. I mean, the usual economic system is that you use the AH for convenience and actual inter-character trading when you want the good deals. In other MMOs I would always put the stuff I wanted to sell on the auction house because I just wanted to post it and forget. I didn't want to spend hours spamming offers or browsing chats for buyers just to make a better profit, I usually had better shit to do.

Guild Wars 2 should offer that same choice. The OP took the time to look for and find a better deal than what the TP was offering (although it wasn't authentic), if the game actually supported a trading system where two windows opened up, he put in the gold, the other guy put in the ectos, and both players clicked confirm, then the OP should've gotten it. That's the way the game should be, not risk for reward, but more time and commitment for better profit.

That being said, the OP is still at fault for sending in the entirety of his gold in the mail to a complete stranger and hoping the guy has integrity. I won't call him an idiot for it, it can happen to anyone, even happened to me once. It's just a lesson everyone learns sooner or later.

 

I disagree with the second paragraph. I don't think GW2 should have both systems, and I think the current system is superior.  The OP did not "take the time" to look for and find a better deal, they got caught up in a scam performed by multiple players pretending to be trading stuff, so that they could scam them out of all their gold.  The TP is far superior, direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.

Why not? What would it hurt? 

You should probably try to read to the end of the paragraph. Direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.  The TP provides a safe way of selling and purchasing goods. Trustworthy people can trade within the mail system because they are honest. The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are scam artists.

And if you think that having an option for direct player to player trading would stops scams, you are horrendously mistaken.

7 years of mmorpg player to player trading,  and I've never been scammed.  , [lock], [confirm], you can't be scammed. Isn't player interaction a good thing. Isn't that one of the top 10 complaints about gw2? 

 

What I'm saying is, more options to interact is a good thing. Why all the sudden direct player interaction, and scam artists be paired? Is it because direct player trade is not offered in gw2? I know you love the game, but having more options can't possible take away from the experience, and be a bad thing.

 

Having a window is the best suggestion that's came out of this thread.

because GW had a direct player to player trade window and people were scammed all the time. They put warnings up to help people learn how to not be scammed from people trading items directly because some people are niave, and those people needed a big sign saying "be careful, because there are bad people out there"

The TP eliminates that. Now I don't know if you're a scammer and that's why you think this is important, or if it's just that you are having difficulty getting it all straight in your head, but I'm hoping that I don't need to continue to say  the exact same sentence over again

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

 

oh heck, one more time just in case. 

 

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

 

I got a fever, and the only prescription is ...

 

 

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

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  Cursedsei

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1/05/13 7:21:31 PM#128
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

Such a shame that this is the view our society takes in maters like this. The criminal isent to blame, its the victims fault.

 

"What a shame that girl got raped. Well maybe if she wasnt dancing all sexy in the club she woundnt have been raped."

"What a shame that guy got robbed and shot. Well maybe he shouldnt have pulled his wallet out to pay for gas"

"What a shame that old woman got scammed. Well maybe if she wasnt old and had some sence she would have seen that guy coming"

 

Honestly i dont know what to say about some of you people. Since when is the victim the one on trial and not the criminal.

 

 

 

The problem is you are not understanding a thing.

In a perfect world no one would be hurting anyone.

It is never a good thing when someone is wronged or someone is hurt. Can you understand this? Do you get this? I hope so. I don't believe most people here, myself included, would disagree.

However, when someone is hurt or slighted or wronged when they make bad decisions then it's still a horrible thing but one must ask why they thought they were immune?

In a perfect world a woman should be able to walk down the street and never once be hurt, insulted, slighted or even bothered.

But do we live in a perfect world? Are there not evil people about? And because of this don't we take precautions to mitigate some of the disasters that come our way?

Too many people claiming victim when, if they took a few minutes to think, they wouldn't be victims. you want to lump it all together. The "wrongness" of another being hurt is still wrong. No matter what. But when someone has not done their due dilligence, has not thought of the consequences of being in a bad area, trusting a stranger with their money or their loved ones, then that's an issue.

If you trust your kids with someone you know such as a family member, and something horrible happens then that's a travesty. If you let a complete stranger into your house, with no one recommending them, to look after your kids and something horrible happens then not only is that a travesty but negligence.

Do you understand this? If not then can I assume you live in that perfect world where people can walk down the street and not ever be hurt. And if you do then PLEASE let me know because I want to live in that world too.

 

LOL. Its you who doesnt understand. Its not the perfect world but how we conduct ourselves when someone is wronged. Your quick to blame the victim and not the criminal.

And i dont know what i said that prompted you to say RED. Another missunderstaning on your part?

I know people dont always take the necesary precautions to make sure people take care of themselves but is that any excuses to absolve the criminal of any wrong doin because the victim was in the wong place at the wrong time?

That was what i was trying to convay in my previous post. That it seems like everyone is prosecuting the victim and not the criminal. Shame on you.

Just using his example of the woman, who mind you has had her place of residence broken into THREE times, but at what point does personal responsibility stop coming into play? One time, yes she did leave the house open yet it should be enough for her to learn better. It happens a second time thanks to the same reason? It's negligent of her now. Three times all because she doesn't feel like going through the extra bit of work to lock her house up? Gross negligence on her part. At some point personal responsibility must come into play, specially when she has prior knowledge that this results in a bad outcome.

Think of it like this. I hold out a red and blue stick, both do the same thing (whatever it might be). I then inform them that the red stick isn't safe to touch though because it has a short, or some other reason that will more than likely hurt them. They grab it once. They go ow, give it back to me. Then they grab it again, and again.

 

Instead of actually reading the posts at hand, you absent-mindedly jump to white-knight the OP while completely ignoring the fact that not a single person here is advocating that the alleged scammer shouldn't be punished. So instead of just jumping on someone with some baseless, inane accusation and assumptions, try bothering to really read the posts.

  Serenes

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1/05/13 8:24:58 PM#129
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Halohead

I think the OP was just trying to take advantage of a system that is in most MMOs, but sadly absent from GW2. I mean, the usual economic system is that you use the AH for convenience and actual inter-character trading when you want the good deals. In other MMOs I would always put the stuff I wanted to sell on the auction house because I just wanted to post it and forget. I didn't want to spend hours spamming offers or browsing chats for buyers just to make a better profit, I usually had better shit to do.

Guild Wars 2 should offer that same choice. The OP took the time to look for and find a better deal than what the TP was offering (although it wasn't authentic), if the game actually supported a trading system where two windows opened up, he put in the gold, the other guy put in the ectos, and both players clicked confirm, then the OP should've gotten it. That's the way the game should be, not risk for reward, but more time and commitment for better profit.

That being said, the OP is still at fault for sending in the entirety of his gold in the mail to a complete stranger and hoping the guy has integrity. I won't call him an idiot for it, it can happen to anyone, even happened to me once. It's just a lesson everyone learns sooner or later.

 

I disagree with the second paragraph. I don't think GW2 should have both systems, and I think the current system is superior.  The OP did not "take the time" to look for and find a better deal, they got caught up in a scam performed by multiple players pretending to be trading stuff, so that they could scam them out of all their gold.  The TP is far superior, direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.

Why not? What would it hurt? 

You should probably try to read to the end of the paragraph. Direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.  The TP provides a safe way of selling and purchasing goods. Trustworthy people can trade within the mail system because they are honest. The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are scam artists.

And if you think that having an option for direct player to player trading would stops scams, you are horrendously mistaken.

7 years of mmorpg player to player trading,  and I've never been scammed.  , [lock], [confirm], you can't be scammed. Isn't player interaction a good thing. Isn't that one of the top 10 complaints about gw2? 

 

What I'm saying is, more options to interact is a good thing. Why all the sudden direct player interaction, and scam artists be paired? Is it because direct player trade is not offered in gw2? I know you love the game, but having more options can't possible take away from the experience, and be a bad thing.

 

Having a window is the best suggestion that's came out of this thread.

because GW had a direct player to player trade window and people were scammed all the time. They put warnings up to help people learn how to not be scammed from people trading items directly because some people are niave, and those people needed a big sign saying "be careful, because there are bad people out there"

The TP eliminates that. Now I don't know if you're a scammer and that's why you think this is important, or if it's just that you are having difficulty getting it all straight in your head, but I'm hoping that I don't need to continue to say  the exact same sentence over again

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

 

oh heck, one more time just in case. 

 

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

 

I got a fever, and the only prescription is ...

 

 

The only people that NEED direct player to player transactions are the scammers.

You honestly believe this don't you? Player to Player trading where you can see the item you are buying in the menu highlight it and check it is safe, now if it was like GW2 current system where one person has to go first yes I would agree, but its not. You just blindly defend ArenaNet on this, the TP is a gold sink that they made and they want it to stay that way, its not about protecting the players its about making sure when you farm 50g you really only farmed 35g.

 

Explain to me in detial, how with player to player trading system like WoW I can be scammed? (Assuming I look at the items)

On top of that why no CoD that is full proof aswell with no gold sink, I put in the item it sends it to my mail box if it is the item I wanted I take it out of the mailbox and it automatically removes the gold, simple scam proof.

 

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  eyelolled

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1/05/13 8:28:21 PM#130
Originally posted by Serenes

 

You honestly believe this don't you? Player to Player trading where you can see the item you are buying in the menu highlight it and check it is safe, now if it was like GW2 current system where one person has to go first yes I would agree, but its not. You just blindly defend ArenaNet on this, the TP is a gold sink that they made and they want it to stay that way, its not about protecting the players its about making sure when you farm 50g you really only farmed 35g.

 

Explain to me in detial, how with player to player trading system like WoW I can be scammed? (Assuming I look at the items)

On top of that why no CoD that is full proof aswell with no gold sink, I put in the item it sends it to my mail box if it is the item I wanted I take it out of the mailbox and it automatically removes the gold, simple scam proof.

 

Hold on there, lets NOT ASSUME.

We've already proven that people can be niave, or did you completely miss that? Oh and who is in denial?

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  bookworm438

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1/05/13 8:30:10 PM#131
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by xAPOCx
 

Such a shame that this is the view our society takes in maters like this. The criminal isent to blame, its the victims fault.

 

"What a shame that girl got raped. Well maybe if she wasnt dancing all sexy in the club she woundnt have been raped."

"What a shame that guy got robbed and shot. Well maybe he shouldnt have pulled his wallet out to pay for gas"

"What a shame that old woman got scammed. Well maybe if she wasnt old and had some sence she would have seen that guy coming"

 

Honestly i dont know what to say about some of you people. Since when is the victim the one on trial and not the criminal.

 

 

 

The problem is you are not understanding a thing.

In a perfect world no one would be hurting anyone.

It is never a good thing when someone is wronged or someone is hurt. Can you understand this? Do you get this? I hope so. I don't believe most people here, myself included, would disagree.

However, when someone is hurt or slighted or wronged when they make bad decisions then it's still a horrible thing but one must ask why they thought they were immune?

In a perfect world a woman should be able to walk down the street and never once be hurt, insulted, slighted or even bothered.

But do we live in a perfect world? Are there not evil people about? And because of this don't we take precautions to mitigate some of the disasters that come our way?

Too many people claiming victim when, if they took a few minutes to think, they wouldn't be victims. you want to lump it all together. The "wrongness" of another being hurt is still wrong. No matter what. But when someone has not done their due dilligence, has not thought of the consequences of being in a bad area, trusting a stranger with their money or their loved ones, then that's an issue.

If you trust your kids with someone you know such as a family member, and something horrible happens then that's a travesty. If you let a complete stranger into your house, with no one recommending them, to look after your kids and something horrible happens then not only is that a travesty but negligence.

Do you understand this? If not then can I assume you live in that perfect world where people can walk down the street and not ever be hurt. And if you do then PLEASE let me know because I want to live in that world too.

 

LOL. Its you who doesnt understand. Its not the perfect world but how we conduct ourselves when someone is wronged. Your quick to blame the victim and not the criminal.

And i dont know what i said that prompted you to say RED. Another missunderstaning on your part?

I know people dont always take the necesary precautions to make sure people take care of themselves but is that any excuses to absolve the criminal of any wrong doin because the victim was in the wong place at the wrong time?

That was what i was trying to convay in my previous post. That it seems like everyone is prosecuting the victim and not the criminal. Shame on you.

.... Nobody here thinks the person who did the scamming shouldn't be punished. In fact, we don't even know if the other person WAS punished. It could very well be that Anet banned them or suspended them without advertising it to the world. The only thing Anet told the OP was that they basically couldn't force the other party to hand over what they owe the OP.

We all agree that the scammer should be punished. We are also saying that the OP is also somewhat at fault for negligence on his/her part. The OP knew s/he was playing in a video game that lacks player-to-player interaction AND that lacks COD in mail. OP should have been more cautious about trading with another player s/he had never met before. And the OP knew that the TP was the only actual safe way of trading with other players.

The OP should have never sent the full amount right away for the item, especially to some stranger. I thought the general rule of thumb for such trades is you send a fraction of the amount, and then deliver the rest when the other person delivers the item. 

  Cursedsei

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1/05/13 8:32:38 PM#132
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Serenes

 

You honestly believe this don't you? Player to Player trading where you can see the item you are buying in the menu highlight it and check it is safe, now if it was like GW2 current system where one person has to go first yes I would agree, but its not. You just blindly defend ArenaNet on this, the TP is a gold sink that they made and they want it to stay that way, its not about protecting the players its about making sure when you farm 50g you really only farmed 35g.

 

Explain to me in detial, how with player to player trading system like WoW I can be scammed? (Assuming I look at the items)

On top of that why no CoD that is full proof aswell with no gold sink, I put in the item it sends it to my mail box if it is the item I wanted I take it out of the mailbox and it automatically removes the gold, simple scam proof.

 

Hold on there, lets NOT ASSUME.

We've already proven that people can be niave, or did you completely miss that? Oh and who is in denial?

You are buddy, for thinking that player-to-player trading is only used as a tool for scamming other players. Some person being niave has nothing to do with it, as that is a facet in just about every system imaginable. Sure you have players who don't check the items before agreeing to a Player-to-Player trade.

 

Just like you have players who don't check the prices on an item they find, and sell it for well above or below its actual price. Or players who don't listen to common sense among other things when dealing with situations. Naivity has no bearing in this at all, as it affects everything, not just Player trading.

  Yaevindusk

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1/05/13 8:33:08 PM#133

 

I understand that this experience may completely ruin one's experience in a game.  It's my honest belief that ANET should be ashamed if they investigated and then gave that response; most other games will see it and take the appropriate measures.  Then again, there isn't an official trade option in GW2, and the trade post is there for a reason.  With that, and the amount of people who fall for tricks, it may not be feasible to do so with the the resources they currently have at their disposal.  Personally I'd quit the game until the next expansion if this happened to me, so good for you if you get back up and keep going despite this dishonest setback.

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  Serenes

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1/05/13 8:38:08 PM#134
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Serenes

 

You honestly believe this don't you? Player to Player trading where you can see the item you are buying in the menu highlight it and check it is safe, now if it was like GW2 current system where one person has to go first yes I would agree, but its not. You just blindly defend ArenaNet on this, the TP is a gold sink that they made and they want it to stay that way, its not about protecting the players its about making sure when you farm 50g you really only farmed 35g.

 

Explain to me in detial, how with player to player trading system like WoW I can be scammed? (Assuming I look at the items)

On top of that why no CoD that is full proof aswell with no gold sink, I put in the item it sends it to my mail box if it is the item I wanted I take it out of the mailbox and it automatically removes the gold, simple scam proof.

 

Hold on there, lets NOT ASSUME.

We've already proven that people can be niave, or did you completely miss that? Oh and who is in denial?

Naive yes, but Face to Face trading has been in almost every big MMO sense the dawn of MMOs and most don't have horriable scamming problems I actually see more scamming threads about GW2 then I do any other game, except FFXI.

 

They have one really safe costly method of buying/selling and then they have one method that is completely unsafe and retarded. 

 

I'm sorry nothing you can say will make the fact that they have to face to face trading in this game, its safe with the correct menu system. People don't want to pay the 15% gold tax its stupid I should not have to, its very unrealistic on top of everything else.

 

Jim says "I have this really nice axe do you want to buy it for 5g?"

Sara says "I would love to."

Jim says "I don't want to go first I don't know you."

Sara says "I don't want to go first either I don't know you."

Jim says "Well it is completely impossiable to do it at the same time becaus the world we live in don't allow it."

Sara says "Well that sucks I guess I'll go pay 10g for it on the Black Lion Company, because it is the only safe way to do trade in this world."

Jim says "Bye!"

Sara says "Bye!"

 

I could just as easly click a picture on the TP that looked like the item I wanted to buy but it wasent should I get a refund from the seller?

  eyelolled

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1/05/13 9:01:27 PM#135
Originally posted by Serenes
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by Serenes

 

You honestly believe this don't you? Player to Player trading where you can see the item you are buying in the menu highlight it and check it is safe, now if it was like GW2 current system where one person has to go first yes I would agree, but its not. You just blindly defend ArenaNet on this, the TP is a gold sink that they made and they want it to stay that way, its not about protecting the players its about making sure when you farm 50g you really only farmed 35g.

 

Explain to me in detial, how with player to player trading system like WoW I can be scammed? (Assuming I look at the items)

On top of that why no CoD that is full proof aswell with no gold sink, I put in the item it sends it to my mail box if it is the item I wanted I take it out of the mailbox and it automatically removes the gold, simple scam proof.

 

Hold on there, lets NOT ASSUME.

We've already proven that people can be niave, or did you completely miss that? Oh and who is in denial?

Naive yes, but Face to Face trading has been in almost every big MMO sense the dawn of MMOs and most don't have horriable scamming problems I actually see more scamming threads about GW2 then I do any other game, except FFXI.

 

They have one really safe costly method of buying/selling and then they have one method that is completely unsafe and retarded. 

 

I'm sorry nothing you can say will make the fact that they have to face to face trading in this game, its safe with the correct menu system. People don't want to pay the 15% gold tax its stupid I should not have to, its very unrealistic on top of everything else.

 

Jim says "I have this really nice axe do you want to buy it for 5g?"

Sara says "I would love to."

Jim says "I don't want to go first I don't know you."

Sara says "I don't want to go first either I don't know you."

Jim says "Well it is completely impossiable to do it at the same time becaus the world we live in don't allow it."

Sara says "Well that sucks I guess I'll go pay 10g for it on the Black Lion Company, because it is the only safe way to do trade in this world."

Jim says "Bye!"

Sara says "Bye!"

 

I could just as easly click a picture on the TP that looked like the item I wanted to buy but it wasent should I get a refund from the seller?

And Jim gets promoted to the dumbest idiot on the planet, because he could sell on the TP for a profit of 8.5 gold or did Sara just dodge getting scammed?

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  Kyleran

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1/05/13 9:19:11 PM#136
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 

I understand that this experience may completely ruin one's experience in a game.  It's my honest belief that ANET should be ashamed if they investigated and then gave that response; most other games will see it and take the appropriate measures.  Then again, there isn't an official trade option in GW2, and the trade post is there for a reason.  With that, and the amount of people who fall for tricks, it may not be feasible to do so with the the resources they currently have at their disposal.  Personally I'd quit the game until the next expansion if this happened to me, so good for you if you get back up and keep going despite this dishonest setback.

Bingo, and therein lies the real problem.  They got the OP's money (and yours) and until the next expansion comes out, you really are just a drain on resources which they will try to minimize.

The correct response if this angers you is to never buy the next expansion, but they know most players will forget and buy it anyways.

Face it, no subs means you're going to get weaker customer support than a game that has one.

You really do get what you pay for.

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  eyelolled

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1/05/13 9:22:45 PM#137
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 

I understand that this experience may completely ruin one's experience in a game.  It's my honest belief that ANET should be ashamed if they investigated and then gave that response; most other games will see it and take the appropriate measures.  Then again, there isn't an official trade option in GW2, and the trade post is there for a reason.  With that, and the amount of people who fall for tricks, it may not be feasible to do so with the the resources they currently have at their disposal.  Personally I'd quit the game until the next expansion if this happened to me, so good for you if you get back up and keep going despite this dishonest setback.

Bingo, and therein lies the real problem.  They got the OP's money (and yours) and until the next expansion comes out, you really are just a drain on resources which they will try to minimize.

The correct response if this angers you is to never buy the next expansion, but they know most players will forget and buy it anyways.

Face it, no subs means you're going to get weaker customer support than a game that has one.

You really do get what you pay for.

I really wish people would actually read what they say.  "They don't care about me because I gave them money, but if I was giving them more money, THAN I would get the respect I deserve!!!!"

 

 

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  User Deleted
1/05/13 9:33:18 PM#138
Originally posted by colddog04

Ehh... that sucks. They don't have a COD option and so stuff like this happens if you trust other people.

 

What is the character's id?

Yeah I think they should have a personal trade or COD option, however they have the Trade Post for this, and if the person was willing to sell you for less than the going rate, alarm bells should have been ringing already.

  Gamayun

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1/05/13 10:08:11 PM#139

Zoyita, I'm really sorry for what happened to you. 

First that a scammer took your money, and such a large sum at that.

Second that the reply from the support was so disappointingly useless and dismissive.

Third that you have to suffer all the accusations from the forum posters here for bringing attention to the issue about unpunished scammers. 

 

I hope you can still get some enjoyment out of the game. It's definitely not the response I'd expect from support.

IMO scamming in general is wrong, it's against the agreement, and it should be punished.

 

----

I have to say that all the posts here that can be summarized as "(Scamming is wrong) BUT IT'S YOUR FAULT SO YOU SHOULD SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES" make my head hurt. No wonder the communities in MMMORPGs are as bad as they are. Paired up with and intensified by how communication on internet works, this thread really seems a fine example of how the victim-blaming culture functions. You know, the culture where it's always good to blame the victim first, and if the conversation goes on, add that of course the perpetrator is bad too, but the victim, look at what the victim did!!! 

I'm glad there are at least a few with a different attitude (thank you for exisiting), because, good grief, based on the mentality in the replies, I can't say I'd feel SAFE going out on a drink with many of the posters. 

And since this thread has become in great part a call to the OP for some serious self-reflectation, let me do you the same favor: please, take a few minutes to reflect on what you are doing right now, and what kind of ideology you're spreading. 

 

TL;DR:

OP, I'm sorry about the whole situation.

Scamming is in general bad. 

Dear fellow forumgoers, please, get your shit together.

  Lovely_Laly

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1/05/13 10:58:38 PM#140

I always "appreciate" much people who stand that crime is victim's own fault.
It's not even in game but same in real life too.
I guess all guys who posted negative reply here, thinking: if he abused of her, it sure was her own fault, she should not be such (choose you version) pretty, sexy, fun, nice etc.
If someone got wallet stolen, it his fault too, should take more care of it.

Is it your philosophy, guys? Sorry I am very disappointed here...

About what happened to OP.
First of all I'm deeply sorry that your trust got abused, but it can happen and more in virtual space (please don't forget either, that not all players come to game for fun, some guys are prof scammers and acting for real money traders, others are irresponsible kids or bad person who think thy can take advantages over a lie).
So be careful and don't trust more then you are ready to loose.

I guess ANet could take some friendly actions, like Blizzard does, and roll back this trade, but they are too busy to count Item Shop gold, I guess. IMO, soon they will stop even answer (I can give a list of games where it came this way).

IMO, fact they made TP not gives them excuses to not make normal trade window with double check, like any decent MMO uses.
So I bet it their fault not to bring extra security to players (or why others try to make trade maximum secure and keep send you check warning).

try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2

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