Just read this article and was wondering, how many people would still support Sony if it happens?

www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games?utm_source=Targeted%20Blasts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking+News:+Sony+Discs+Patent_11145_587933_587940&utm_content=6232486

I for one will not as I buy a lot of my games second hand. Hopefully they won't do this as they would lose out completly to Nintendo and Microsoft. Unless Microsoft does the same, then Nintendo would be loving it.

Originally posted by RedMachine72

Just read this article and was wondering, how many people would still support Sony if it happens?

www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games?utm_source=Targeted%20Blasts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking+News:+Sony+Discs+Patent_11145_587933_587940&utm_content=6232486

I for one will not as I buy a lot of my games second hand. Hopefully they won't do this as they would lose out completly to Nintendo and Microsoft. Unless Microsoft does the same, then Nintendo would be loving it.

Microsoft is working on doing the same thing. It's going to hurt console players and hurt sales but won't affect PC players considering we are use to it by now. 

Console gamers will buy many games without to much concern because they know they can always trade it in if they don't like it. They aren't as comfortable with what PC gamers go through and the only reason we are is because we've been dealing with it for years. 

SOE has a plan....

http://www.dragonsprophetthegame.com/

So much will happen if this goes live, first rental stores suffering as they are will have a final nail in the coffin, but we can all agree that was coming anyway sooner or later, if games go this direction, how long before DvDs and Bluray.

The inability not to be able to play your games if you have to replace your console will be thing that will bite sony in the ass, and it wont be possible to create a system to update your new console with your old ones ID, because if there was hackers would be all over it and it would be cracked in no time. I guess if they introduce a new warrenty or replacement contract with all there console buyers that if your console breaks you can buy one from sony or the reseller with the same ID as your old one I guess it could work but that would be a significant investment on Sony's part and I dont see them doing it.

I can understand why they would want this system, its been there aim all along to combat priacy, but if they dont change the system to complement the new ID's, whats the point.

dont agree w what sony is doing

but maybe they are trying to do something like Steam

Originally posted by Nadia

dont agree w what sony is doing

but maybe they are trying to do something like Steam

 

 

Legally this is very different from steam.   There are many laws on the books when dealing with physical property.   Virtual not so much but if someone wanted to take Valve to court over the matter they should theoretically win the right to their serial codes and be able to sell those.

Having the game bound to one owner ruins their collectibility.  It also screws over players who choose to rent over buy.  That's like expecting people to buy every movie they watch.

If they want to fix this, then publishers should enter agreements with retailers that whenever they sell a used copy that they a fee back to the publisher.  It could be considered a royalty of sorts.  This would pretty much fix the problem exactly at the root, with retailers who make a stupid amount of money ripping players off.

Honestly I'm in some forms for this... though my issue is those extra profits go to the publisher, not so much the developers who do all the hard work and give the great games. I always disliked Ebgames for the fact they do take away from money hard working game designers get due to Used games. In a way I wish you could control where the money went to for purchases and provide a platform in which the people who create games can profit from it more. Stores should promote buying new games rather then selling old ones and the producers should NOT be raking in a majority of the profits, particularly if they are attempting to push games solely for profit which unfortunately many are (big case in point, EA). 

I think though my 'ideal' would be quite hard to accomplish, though perhaps there can some way to promote this type of growth. In a way Indie games do have this benefit already as it is though its not really explored in terms of having a 'physical' title to launch with. 

Originally posted by Coxel
That is illegal in the USA.   They might be able to enforce that elsewhere but here we do have a right that protects us from such measure and has been upheld repeatedly by the supreme court.

Your right to resell the physical disc is protected by law, your right to resell the entertainment that the software on the disc provides isn't.  Yea it's messed up but all Congress could do is make it worse so it's unlikely to get any better.

Originally posted by Methos12
Every used copy that gets into circulation is pretty much one new sale denied AND companies don't see a dime from used game profits. I see their angle on this.

f I buy a car I can sell it second hand because it is mine, I bought it.

If I buy a book I can sell it second hand, because it is mine, I bought it

If I buy a home I can sel it second hand, because it is mine, I bought it.

But if I buy a game I can't sell it second hand, isn't the game mine I bought it?

I can't go to my friends house and play on his playstation?

If the game consule brakes (Because playstations are made cheap) I have to rebuy all my games?

Originally posted by steelheartx
I wouldn't be surprised if hard copies become a thing of the past in the next 3-5 years.  Look at the music industry if you need any example for what the future holds as far as DL content.

Yea this kind of system seems pointless given where things are headed.  I mean when was the last time most of you bought a new PC game in a box sans Collector's editions?  Consoles are a few years behind the PC because of storage limits but those are pretty much gone now.

Originally posted by Purutzil

Honestly I'm in some forms for this... though my issue is those extra profits go to the publisher, not so much the developers who do all the hard work and give the great games. I always disliked Ebgames for the fact they do take away from money hard working game designers get due to Used games. In a way I wish you could control where the money went to for purchases and provide a platform in which the people who create games can profit from it more. Stores should promote buying new games rather then selling old ones and the producers should NOT be raking in a majority of the profits, particularly if they are attempting to push games solely for profit which unfortunately many are (big case in point, EA). 

 

I think though my 'ideal' would be quite hard to accomplish, though perhaps there can some way to promote this type of growth. In a way Indie games do have this benefit already as it is though its not really explored in terms of having a 'physical' title to launch with. 

You make a product and you put a price on it. if you sell 50 of them you made 50x the amount of money you charge per. You made what you were suposed to make, you shouldnt get money from used games sellers.   if i sell a game to you personally do i then owe the game company money, no it was mine to sell to whom i want to. 

would be like baning people from buying used cars,  its ridiculous

Originally posted by Methos12
Every used copy that gets into circulation is pretty much one new sale denied AND companies don't see a dime from used game profits. I see their angle on this.

And your proof for this is?

Isn't just as likely that someone unable to buy a used copy won't go out any buy a new game? If that's the case then all these efforts only end up pissing people off and reducing sales.

I think there is a strong case to be made that all these years of anti-piracy efforts have done much more harm than good.

Originally posted by Dantae87
OMG that PS4 looks liek crap reminds me of a old atari....

[mod edit] Did you see dev kits for PS3 and Xbox 360? They looked like normal computers. This isnt how the actual ps4 will look like.

As for the topic, if I can not exchange and borrow games with my friends and family or my console breaking beyond repair means my entire library is useless than Sony won't be seeing my money anytime soon.